asubrt Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The agency that runs the city’s convention business is selling a prominent downtown parcel for what it hopes will become a retail and residential development. Houston First Corp. has hired HFF to market the 110,000-square-foot tract, which is bounded by Capitol, Rusk, Crawford and Avenida de las Americas. The land is surrounded by new and proposed development. A new convention center hotel is being planned just south of the site. http://blog.chron.co...owntown-parcel/ Based on the DT block map, it looks like this is block 101 and part of block 119. Hopefully something impressive goes in here, as it will be next door to the new convention center hotel and the cultural heritage center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 the picture from the link is pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nole23 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hopefully It's another residential highrise development taking advantage of the Chapter 380 program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hopefully it's something substantial and tall !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 On google maps it shows those two really old homes on the smaller parcel, which I thought were recently just moved there? Or is that an old image and they actually moved them some place else? I wonder what will become of them. Also, I think this is a slightly different article than the Nancy's blog post http://www.chron.com...ket-4038323.php Official Listing: http://www.hfflp.com...=cbd super&OF=5 Executive Summary http://www.hfflp.com... Flyer.pdf&DT=1 Old rendering, they just added the labels. Looks like they would build on top of Jackson St., too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 They moved the two older homes from the site some time ago. They will now be incorporated in the new cultural center downown.http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Businessman-to-donate-8-million-to-new-cultural-3919032.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That is a sexy rendering. Light rail straddles the block. Fantastic project... hope it goes through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 On the third bullet under residential in Downtown's 4th Quarter 2012 Real Estate update it says all the offers were due to Houston First on January 24th. Hopefully they announce finalists pretty soon like how they chose the developer for the GRBCC hotel. It'll be exciting to see and of course hope its tall! http://downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2013-01-02/Downtown_Real_Estate_Update_2012-4Q-2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 so the parking garage is going to be built around the light rail? that will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumber2 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Will they be able to sell alcohol since it's across the street from Incarnate Word Academy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Will they be able to sell alcohol since it's across the street from Incarnate Word Academy? Aren't they planning on building a new school in downtown on a different block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 they could get a variance, I'm sure. I'm not certain what the minimum distance is, but I think it's walking distance, not direct (as the crow flies) distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrodiii Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Will they be able to sell alcohol since it's across the street from Incarnate Word Academy? I am pretty sure - Minute Maid sells alcohol and they are across the street from the school as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Aren't they planning on building a new school in downtown on a different block? Yes, HSPVA is supposed to build on the Rusk / Walker / San Jacinto / Caroline block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 they could get a variance, I'm sure. I'm not certain what the minimum distance is, but I think it's walking distance, not direct (as the crow flies) distance. 300 feet using legal walking means, ie, crosswalks. I got a beer license directly across the street from a daycare/school on Prairie. We were 302 feet away from their front door by way of crosswalk, but directly across the street. Hubcap Grill is there now. The HSPVA is the problem. HISD schools have a 1000 foot buffer around them. They could kill off all future bars in that side of downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The HSPVA is the problem. HISD schools have a 1000 foot buffer around them. They could kill off all future bars in that side of downtown. Is it possible to make an exception where only the blocks immediately surrounding HSPVA are dry or something to that extent? Bars seem like a major component needed to achieve the 24/7 activity people want to create downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 300 feet using legal walking means, ie, crosswalks. I got a beer license directly across the street from a daycare/school on Prairie. We were 302 feet away from their front door by way of crosswalk, but directly across the street. Hubcap Grill is there now. The HSPVA is the problem. HISD schools have a 1000 foot buffer around them. They could kill off all future bars in that side of downtown. Yikes, that could be a problem. How do they measure that 1000 feet? The same way as the 300 feet? Does vertical travel count? Maybe they could put the school on top of ten floors of parking? And maybe 10 floors of hotel and 10 floors of condos? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 No, it is worse. The school exception is measured 1000 feet from property line to property line. Restaurants who derive less than 50% of their sales from alcohol are exempt from the school rule, and there are some interesting exemptions for hotel bars, that may be called the "Fertitta Rule". I believe the hotel rule is what allowed Fertitta, a good Catholic, to open a hotel bar across the street from the Annunciation Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yikes, that could be a problem. How do they measure that 1000 feet? The same way as the 300 feet? Does vertical travel count? Maybe they could put the school on top of ten floors of parking? And maybe 10 floors of hotel and 10 floors of condos? ;-) It's HSPVA. I don't think they measure with rulers. Rather, they measure via interpretive dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I admire the Kafka-esque qualities of purposefully locating an art-centric school in the urban central district of a city only to conclude that part and parcel of urban life is legally incompatible with the codified requirements of an appropriate school environment. We like to keep it real, but not too real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I admire the Kafka-esque qualities of purposefully locating an art-centric school in the urban central district of a city only to conclude that part and parcel of urban life is legally incompatible with the codified requirements of an appropriate school environment. We like to keep it real, but not too real. Too bad Dave Chappelle isn't still doing his show skits, this could be another installment of "when keeping it real goes wrong". According to google maps 1000ft from the edge of that block goes out to Dallas, Crawford, Prairie, and Travis. That's almost all of downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Too bad Dave Chappelle isn't still doing his show skits, this could be another installment of "when keeping it real goes wrong". According to google maps 1000ft from the edge of that block goes out to Dallas, Crawford, Prairie, and Travis. That's almost all of downtown. That is clearly unworkable. I hope we are not the only ones thinking about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 y'all are crazy to think that the city wouldn't grant a variance on something like that... i mean seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specwriter Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 real but not too real. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 y'all are crazy to think that the city wouldn't grant a variance on something like that... i mean seriously. Do you mean grant a global variance as it relates to the HSPVA? That is the solution that is needed. Is it really all that obvious such a thing will necessarily happen? Requiring every potential liquor license holder in most of the downtown area to get a variance is not really a workable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrodiii Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I got a beer license directly across the street from a daycare/school on Prairie. We were 302 feet away from their front door by way of crosswalk, but directly across the street. Hubcap Grill is there now. Did you use to run Firehouse Grill sandwich shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 This is no longer listed on HFF's website. Anyone know if was sold or did they get a new broker?Their website does say this, too: * This web site may not include every asset HFF currently has on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Is this project not going to move along as fast as expected? It also isn't listed on Central Houston's Development Map. http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2013-10-01/131001_Current_Projects_11x17.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Is this project not going to move along as fast as expected? It also isn't listed on Central Houston's Development Map.http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2013-10-01/131001_Current_Projects_11x17.pdfWhat project? The land is just for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 i could have sworn they were talking about putting residential on this block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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