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21 Eleven: New Apartments by Hines at 2111 Westheimer

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Per the chron.com site, Hines has purchsed the Cafe Adobe site on Westheimer. I am assuming this also includes the surface lot across the street. To me, this site is too small for the typical 4-5 story apartment complex wrapped around structured parking. Could Hines be going vertical with an apartment high rise?

http://blog.chron.co...eimer-property/

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Well, don't forget that they are using the parking lot across the street.

The Adobe side is too small for parking, so um anxious to see what design they use to incorporate both parcels without asking the city to abandon that street.

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Per the chron.com site, Hines has purchsed the Cafe Adobe site on Westheimer. I am assuming this also includes the surface lot across the street. To me, this site is too small for the typical 4-5 story apartment complex wrapped around structured parking. Could Hines be going vertical with an apartment high rise?

http://blog.chron.co...eimer-property/

i would imagine they would'nt have much of a choice if they wanted to achieve economies of scale, unless they do less units that are just very high end (think belle meade or chateau 10). i don't know the size of the adobe property but as a comparison i recently heard that marvy may be planning a 20+ story highrise on the art institute site on yorktown and that parcel is 1.3 ac.

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I think the Adobe site, combined with the surface lot, is still too small for traditional wrap around mid-rise apartments. Looking at it on Google maps, the parking lot is considerably smaller than the apartment complex just down the street and much smaller than West Ave. Could just be a smaller project like the Bellmeade up the street. I think Hines may be trying to introduce a different product to the area than the traditional Texas doughnut wrap around.

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Maybe they're buying the Citgo and strip center as well. How close can you build residential next to a gas station?

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St. Anne's (the church across Westheimer from Adobe) uses the lot for overflow parking for nearly all of its surfaces. It wouldn't be a proper Catholic church if it had adequate parking.

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Maybe they're buying the Citgo and strip center as well. How close can you build residential next to a gas station?

I don't think that is the case. They purchased all the land they planned on getting, otherwise, they wouldn't have announced it. To do so prematurely would have made the other landowners increase price of their land.

I need to see if I can take a proper picture of the land for a "before" picture.

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St. Anne's (the church across Westheimer from Adobe) uses the lot for overflow parking for nearly all of its surfaces. It wouldn't be a proper Catholic church if it had adequate parking.

Off Topic - How did Adobe get away with serving alcohol right across the street from a church/school. I'm comparing to the permitting issues over on Dunlavy (HEB/Fiesta Property).

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i would imagine they would'nt have much of a choice if they wanted to achieve economies of scale, unless they do less units that are just very high end (think belle meade or chateau 10). i don't know the size of the adobe property but as a comparison i recently heard that marvy may be planning a 20+ story highrise on the art institute site on yorktown and that parcel is 1.3 ac.

And the 29 story residential tower being built at BLVD Place has a footprint of 1.2 acres from what I have read.

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some activity from the planning commission agenda, concerning building a bridge over Peckham

Strict application of the ordinance would create an impractical development by forcing residents of the multi-family development to cross Peckham Street at street level to access amenities provided to the residents. The proposed skybridge shall have a 18’- 8 15/16” clearance above grade and will allow the

residents to freely travel between buildings out of the elements and without impacting traffic on Peckham Street.

http://ataps1.pd.ci.houston.tx.us/drc/PC+Meeting+Calendar.nsf/WebDocumentOpen/86597F54E86FB4A88625797C00544F30/$FILE/Draft+Agenda.pdf

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Off Topic - How did Adobe get away with serving alcohol right across the street from a church/school. I'm comparing to the permitting issues over on Dunlavy (HEB/Fiesta Property).

It's Catholic, I've been to open bar events in the parish hall of Catholic churches before.

Or maybe Cafe Adobe predates the ordinance.

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Well I was hoping for a signature residential highrise. It's nice that they thought outside of the box though as far as design. It's great to see some variation in the design as compared to the rest of the multifamily buildings that are going up that look the same. It looks like the apartment buildings being built in places like California and Toronto.

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I agree, for a modest mid-rise it will be a nice addition to this area. Though, I think high-rise would be a difficult fit and tough transitioning the scale of the adjacent landmarks...namely, the church.

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love the design... for some reason we don't see a lot of the more modern designs you see elsewhere like Fortune noted. quick question - is parking going to be entirely underground? i don't see much in this rendering. also agree w bluecar... although a highrise is always nice, it would have stuck out like a sore thumb.

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It's Catholic, I've been to open bar events in the parish hall of Catholic churches before.

Or maybe Cafe Adobe predates the ordinance.

And it's okay, so long as you make the sign of the cross before you go inside the bar.

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Huh. I can't quite figure out what angle this rendering is from. Is this from the south looking north? What's with the weird landscaped driveway ...thing? It just seems like a huge waste of space.

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Huh. I can't quite figure out what angle this rendering is from. Is this from the south looking north? What's with the weird landscaped driveway ...thing? It just seems like a huge waste of space.

I think it is from the north, looking south, across Westheimer. The driveway is the church's.

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Huh. I can't quite figure out what angle this rendering is from. Is this from the south looking north? What's with the weird landscaped driveway ...thing? It just seems like a huge waste of space.

It's from the north looking south across westheimer from St. Anne's property. The weird landscaped driveway is St. Anne's driveway on their property.

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It looks as if the gas station will stay. My only hope is that they bury the power lines. Cool looking place and great addition! Any word on the other development on Shepard and W. Alabama? This area is going up fast!

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It looks as if the gas station will stay. My only hope is that they bury the power lines. Cool looking place and great addition! Any word on the other development on Shepard and W. Alabama? This area is going up fast!

i've been waiting for an update that development but so far haven't heard or seen anything. they initally proposed a 6-8 story mixed use apartment complex... pretty sure there's a thread on it somewhere.

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i've been waiting for an update that development but so far haven't heard or seen anything. they initally proposed a 6-8 story mixed use apartment complex... pretty sure there's a thread on it somewhere.

It's very interesting when there is a property such as this one that has been planned for a long time and hasn't been able to get developed even when other projects have come online and been developed in a much shorter time. At one point in time prior to the economic downturn a residential highrise was proposed for that site then a mixed use apartment midrise. You would think with all the other apartment complexes going up they would have atleast been able to build a apartment midrise on the site.

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Anybody know why I wouldn't be able to see the picture, keep refreshing. No working.

It's a firewall, I think. I can't see it from my work computer either. Depending on how people insert/paste images, it does that to me.

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Maggie Rita's (Ninfa's) closed. I read somewhere that there was a Cafe Adobe sign there now.

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they were just talking about this site on the 5pm news on ch. 13.  The renderings look good.

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"The traffic's insane, it is everywhere in our city, and it's not going to get any better, and the city keeps approving things that are not going to get any better," Mays said.

 

I took this from the article, which is ironic, since the voters of Houston don't seem to give  a crap about mass transit options and the most obnoxious opponents like to call it a "toy train". Plus they have, on multiple occasions voted DOWN zoning and any attempt at city planning. Do people even follow the elections and what they are agreeing to?

 

The reality is that these trains move people and are specially effective in the densifying parts of the inner loop and Uptown.

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 and the most obnoxious opponents like to call it a "toy train".

Last time I appeared for jury duty, that's the exact term the Big Bellied Sheriff used for it (regarding jurors' transportation options.)

 

 and the most obnoxious opponents like to call it a "toy train".

Last time I appeared for jury duty, that's the exact term the Big Bellied Sheriff used for it (regarding jurors' transportation options.)

 

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This is probably not at all what the apartments that Hines is replacing Cafe Adobe with will look like, says a company rep. No: Hines is “not yet ready” to share a current rendering or any details about the midrise it’s planning for the soon-to-be-former restaurant and parking lot across from St. Anne Catholic Church at Westheimer and South Shepard — except to say the building will contain 215 unitsbut no retail.

 

 

http://swamplot.com/hines-replacing-cafe-adobe-with-apartment-building-just-not-this-one/2013-04-23/#more-60372

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Well ain't that a swift kick in the junk...it's like sweeps week for rendering disappointments in houston. Now we just need Hanover to refute their new village high rise renderings and we'll be thoroughly shat on.

Seriously though, I really liked this iteration. Unlike anything in houston I can think of. Let's see what Hines has in store...

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well cafe adobe closed its doors at the end of the day on Mother's Day...may it RIP... now keep us updated with any new developments for anyone in the know!

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And yet still no rendering?

I thought it was the one Urbanizer posted, also bizjournals used the same one. I going with the one posted above.

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Oh I thought we still didn't know since it said, "This is probably not at all what the apartments that Hines is replacing Cafe Adobe with will look like..."

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I was under the impression that the new building would be a high rise. Perhaps i was wrong.

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Oh I thought we still didn't know since it said, "This is probably not at all what the apartments that Hines is replacing Cafe Adobe with will look like..."

supposedly it's going to be a "value-engineered" version of the original rendering.

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Pretty lame... and that giant grassy driveway (which can't be accurate) makes it seem like the building is out in the exurbs.

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"Pretty lame... and that giant grassy driveway (which can't be accurate) makes it seem like the building is out in the exurbs."

- that perspective is as if you were standing at St Anne's looking across their driveway and Westheimer.

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"Pretty lame... and that giant grassy driveway (which can't be accurate) makes it seem like the building is out in the exurbs."

- that perspective is as if you were standing at St Anne's looking across their driveway and Westheimer.

You're right. That "giant grassy driveway" actually is accurate.

Gotta love the snowman reflection on the building!

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