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It could, but after the required environmental impact studies, search for a transgendered-minority-women-owned business that serves fair-trade coffee, "concerned" residents townhalls, and other related nonsense it will take about 3 years. And if and when it is built it will have one reversible lane for cars and trucks and four bike lanes. Car and truck drivers will be required to pay a carbon off-set fee and must endure "share the road shouts" from biketavists while creeping along in their single undersized lane. Any person on foot will be granted stop transit authority if they should smell anything other than biodiesel being emitted from Wal-Mart trucks.

I am always amused at how bicyclists gripe about how they are treated by motorists yet they seem to be incapable of following the traffic laws. Lately there have been huge groups of bicyclists riding in the evenings on Heights Blvd and they blow every stop sign and red light they come to. And what good is a bike lane if they don't ride in it?

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I am always amused at how bicyclists gripe about how they are treated by motorists yet they seem to be incapable of following the traffic laws. Lately there have been huge groups of bicyclists riding in the evenings on Heights Blvd and they blow every stop sign and red light they come to. And what good is a bike lane if they don't ride in it?

It's not like all cyclists do this.

I doubt that the cyclists that do this are running stop lights and stop signs with cross traffic.

It's pretty much akin to motorists habitually going 5 to 10 over the limit and not using their signals to indicate a lane change or turn.

Not that this exonerates cyclists, but it's not like your people are any better. It's best to just get back to being angry with walmart.

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It's pretty much akin to motorists habitually going 5 to 10 over the limit and not using their signals to indicate a lane change or turn.

No it is not. Running a controlled intersection is not the same as exceeding a speed limit. In their campaign to remind drivers that bikes are vehicles too, they somehow failed to realize that they too must obey the law.

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No it is not. Running a controlled intersection is not the same as exceeding a speed limit. In their campaign to remind drivers that bikes are vehicles too, they somehow failed to realize that they too must obey the law.

If there's no oncoming traffic, it really is about the same.

I never took you for the hipster type, but you do a pretty good job of being ironic by admonishing one group for breaking the law, then saying another group can break the law, cause it isn't that bad to break the law.

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In response to my post about deviant cyclists, you alluded to "your people" and "angry with walmart".

I take insult to this. I have never been angry with walmart. I am looking forward to the day it opens and I will shop there often. And stop signs and lights are not only to be obeyed when there is cross traffic approaching.

And not all cyclists run stop lights/signs.

And the speed limits and turn signals are not only to be obeyed when it's convenient for the driver.

we can do this all day :)

in a futile attempt to get sort of back on subject, did anyone else notice how the standard smiley looks very much like the walmart smiley?

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we can do this all day :)

in a futile attempt to get sort of back on subject, did anyone else notice how the standard smiley looks very much like the walmart smiley?

You will never convince the majority of Houston drivers that they are not the victims of bicyclists.

And perhaps your attempt is not futile. Could it be a pro-Walmart virus infecting the forum?

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You will never convince the majority of Houston drivers that they are not the victims of bicyclists.

And perhaps your attempt is not futile. Could it be a pro-Walmart virus infecting the forum?

I have no aspirations of convincing anyone of anything, but it would be nice to at least see them acknowledge their hipster irony :P

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You will never convince the majority of Houston drivers that they are not the victims of bicyclists.

And perhaps your attempt is not futile. Could it be a pro-Walmart virus infecting the forum?

The majority is right....Im tired of everyone cowtowing and acting like the minority user deserves special treatment.

Just get out of the way, your slow, you break all the rules of the road, and you are inconveniencing far more people than not. Bicycle riders are selfish, regardless of whether or not they have a legal right to use the road, they are still, nonetheless selfish.

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The majority is right....Im tired of everyone cowtowing and acting like the minority user deserves special treatment.

Just get out of the way, your slow, you break all the rules of the road, and you are inconveniencing far more people than not. Bicycle riders are selfish, regardless of whether or not they have a legal right to use the road, they are still, nonetheless selfish.

Speaking of irony...

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Just get out of the way, your slow, you break all the rules of the road, and you are inconveniencing far more people than not. Bicycle riders are selfish, regardless of whether or not they have a legal right to use the road, they are still, nonetheless selfish.

See? The guy driving the 1.5 ton SUV is the victim, not the guy riding the 10 pound bike.

I'm a little worried that Walmart smiley-virus will infect my computer... will the new Walmart offer computer repair services?

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The majority is right....Im tired of everyone cowtowing and acting like the minority user deserves special treatment.

Just get out of the way, your slow, you break all the rules of the road, and you are inconveniencing far more people than not. Bicycle riders are selfish, regardless of whether or not they have a legal right to use the road, they are still, nonetheless selfish.

no one's asking for special treatment.

it's attitudes like yours that get me cheering every time I see the price of oil rise. Comments like yours make it so I can't wait for the day when gasoline prices are so high as to make driving prohibitive.

either way, I respect your opinion, but luckily, it's just that, your opinion.

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it's attitudes like yours that get me cheering every time I see the price of oil rise. Comments like yours make it so I can't wait for the day when gasoline prices are so high as to make driving prohibitive.

Wow, what delusional utopian world you must live in. The people hurt first are the people you claim to love.

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Wow, what delusional utopian world you must live in. The people hurt first are the people you claim to love.

The next group to hurt will be the rollerbladers I saw on the T C Jester bridge over the railyard next to White Oak Bayou. It's one thing to roller blade in the street going up the bridge, but to stay in the street on the down side reeks of a desire for an early demise. Just how fast do they think someone coming over the bridge at 45mph can stop?

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The next group to hurt will be the rollerbladers I saw on the T C Jester bridge over the railyard next to White Oak Bayou. It's one thing to roller blade in the street going up the bridge, but to stay in the street on the down side reeks of a desire for an early demise. Just how fast do they think someone coming over the bridge at 45mph can stop?

45mph. Is that all!?

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Speaking of irony...

I wrote that hoping for a far bigger response than I got. I intentionally made that an easy target to get a rise of folks.

As to not being able to afford gas? I don't worry about that....my 1.5 ton Truck gets better gas mileage than many cars....after deleting the ridiculous EPA emission controls from the diesel engine and adding a programmer (once it finally went out of warranty) my fuel economy went from 14/17 to 17/22.

At $8 gallon gas I can still happily drive wherever I want in my truck...My office is only 17 miles from home, an $8 commute each way is not going to hurt me at all, heck if gas went to $8 it may reduce traffic so much that I will actually get better fuel economy than I do now.

If bicyclists don't think they are getting special treatment by inconveniencing the other 99.99999% of the population by using the roads and traveling drastically below the speed limit, at a rate of speed that is FAR below any vehicles most fuel efficient ranges they are crazy. If cars got on the road and went 10-14 mph they would get pulled over by the police all the time for not traveling with traffic flow and obstructing others....bikes do this daily without any repercussions. Luckily when the Walmart is open those bikers will need to get in their car to be able to get home with the massive piles of cheap Chinese junk they were able to buy at WalMart - so traffic should improve somewhat.

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Wow, what delusional utopian world you must live in. The people hurt first are the people you claim to love.

it was a troll response to what I suspected was a troll comment.

It appears I wasn't off the mark.

Believe me though, I thoroughly enjoy driving my sports car that gets maybe 20mpg on the highway, but damn it puts a smile on my face.

That being said, I think that honing in on the not so egregious law breaking done by cyclists when motorists do their own not so egregious law breaking is a horrible argument.

Hone in on the cyclists that run red lights with oncoming traffic, or blow through stop signs without even slowing down to check for traffic, and I'll hone in on the motorists that buzz too close to cyclists and don't respect the fact that they are targeting a human being with a very deadly game of chicken.

Hell, lets talk about those guys who think they are doing a service to the cycling community with the critical mass rides, and then cork intersections for minutes as hundreds of cyclists amble through, or intentionally block the entire street (both directions of traffic) so no traffic can move at all.

I wrote that hoping for a far bigger response than I got. I intentionally made that an easy target to get a rise of folks.

If bicyclists don't think they are getting special treatment by inconveniencing the other 99.99999% of the population by using the roads and traveling drastically below the speed limit, at a rate of speed that is FAR below any vehicles most fuel efficient ranges they are crazy. If cars got on the road and went 10-14 mph they would get pulled over by the police all the time for not traveling with traffic flow and obstructing others....bikes do this daily without any repercussions. Luckily when the Walmart is open those bikers will need to get in their car to be able to get home with the massive piles of cheap Chinese junk they were able to buy at WalMart - so traffic should improve somewhat.

Sorry to disappoint you ;)

I don't think, in the grand scheme of things, that the cyclist is really posing such a hindrance to you that they should receive such ire. If you calculate out the amount of time you take for your journey, then calculate the journey with having to get around a cyclist, I'm betting it's within a margin of error to make it not matter. unless you're really going more than just 5-10 over the limit, having to drop from 55 to 15 is a big difference, even for the 100 yards it might take for you to get around him on your 8 mile journey. going from 35 to 15 for the 100 yards it takes to get around him on your 8 mile trip, it won't make such a difference.

Myself, when I ride my pace is usually about 20mph, and I stick to back streets if I can, cause I enjoy my life too much to put myself in a position to come in contact with one of the drivers that thinks they have more of a right to the road than I do, and also doesn't understand that if they accidentally hit me, I will probably die. the only way I can do that is to stop riding, but I like to ride, so I will try to put myself as far from the rabid idiots as possible.

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...Hone in on the cyclists that run red lights with oncoming traffic, or blow through stop signs without even slowing down to check for traffic, and I'll hone in on the motorists that buzz too close to cyclists and don't respect the fact that they are targeting a human being with a very deadly game of chicken....

...I enjoy my life too much to put myself in a position to come in contact with one of the drivers that thinks they have more of a right to the road than I do.....

Actually in Houston, Texas, bicyclers must follow all traffic laws AND special bicycle laws. So you really don't have all the rights of motorized drivers. I wish you would spread the word that bicyclers must follow Texas Transportation Code Section 551.103 Operation on Roadway:

(A) Except as provided by Subsection (8), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway....

AND,

C) Persons operating a bicycle on a roadway may ride two abreast. Persons riding two abreast on a laned roadway shall ride in a single lane. Persons riding two abreast may not impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic on the roadway. Persons may not ride more than two abreast unless they are riding on a part of a roadway set aside for the exclusive operation of bicycles.

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(A) Except as provided by Subsection (8), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway....

AND,

C) Persons operating a bicycle on a roadway may ride two abreast. Persons riding two abreast on a laned roadway shall ride in a single lane. Persons riding two abreast may not impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic on the roadway. Persons may not ride more than two abreast unless they are riding on a part of a roadway set aside for the exclusive operation of bicycles.

I highlighted the operable words here.

What is practicable is staying alive; riding in the gutter is asking to get side swiped for which you have no legal protections.

Also reasonable flow of traffic means no freeway riding since ONLY freeways have speed minimums. There's nothing against the law as far as driving slower than the rest of traffic, my grandfather does it all the time.

IMO the laws need to be amended to better protect bike riders; that's why I'm waiting for a good ole case of Texas justice to arise where a bike rider shoots and kills a driver who appears to "threaten" the rider. :)

It's just a matter of time; so to all my bike riding friends I say "roll strapped!"

Take that as fair warning drivers, I'll shoot you 1st and ask questions later.

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...It's just a matter of time; so to all my bike riding friends I say "roll strapped!"

Take that as fair warning drivers, I'll shoot you 1st and ask questions later.

I'm not sure the Wal-Goose could handle the recoil, might end up in the gutter anyway. And those Chinese rounds will be just bouncing off that tempered auto glass....maybe you could take out a plastic tail light, but not one of those new LEDs, no way.

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Also reasonable flow of traffic means no freeway riding since ONLY freeways have speed minimums. There's nothing against the law as far as driving slower than the rest of traffic, my grandfather does it all the time.

I don't agree with your interpretation....If your impeding the flow of traffic what is reasonable is probably up to the officers discretion. We know its illegal to ride on a highway b/c it has minimum speed limits, but it is also illegal to drive too slow on any road when doing so creates a hazard to other drivers...I believe the same can be imputed to a bike...if your riding so slow that traffic is building up around you b/c they cant get past you easily then you are indeed breaking the law.

It's just a matter of time; so to all my bike riding friends I say "roll strapped!"

Take that as fair warning drivers, I'll shoot you 1st and ask questions later.

Its pretty hard to pull your gun, let alone aim it, as you roll helplessly head over foot into a 18 caliper inch live oak :)

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I don't agree with your interpretation....If your impeding the flow of traffic what is reasonable is probably up to the officers discretion. We know its illegal to ride on a highway b/c it has minimum speed limits, but it is also illegal to drive too slow on any road when doing so creates a hazard to other drivers...I believe the same can be imputed to a bike...if your riding so slow that traffic is building up around you b/c they cant get past you easily then you are indeed breaking the law.

On neighborhood Heights streets, it will never happen, regardless your attempted stretch of the statute to fit your argument. The cops won't write the ticket, and it wouldn't hold up in court if they did.

But, if it makes you feel better, you can start a thread about it on freerepublic. They'd probably agree with you there.

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On neighborhood Heights streets, it will never happen, regardless your attempted stretch of the statute to fit your argument. The cops won't write the ticket, and it wouldn't hold up in court if they did.

I don't even think court enters into the equation. It's more about not wanting to catch hell about writing chicksh!t tickets from their fellow officers in the locker room.

"Yo Peterson, my kid rides a big wheel. Ya wanna ticket him?"

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heaven forbid you have to wait 10 seconds to safely pass another vehicle. I was riding on the shoulder one time and this guy kept honking at me and yelling for me to get out of the road. After a few seconds of him yelling at me, he swerved towards me to "scare" me. As someone who has been hit by a car on two seperate occasions I didn't appreciate his threat, and he left the next light missing a side mirror. Using a 2 ton vehicle in a threatening manner to cyclist should be treated the same as a using a deadly weapon.

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heaven forbid you have to wait 10 seconds to safely pass another vehicle. I was riding on the shoulder one time and this guy kept honking at me and yelling for me to get out of the road. After a few seconds of him yelling at me, he swerved towards me to "scare" me. As someone who has been hit by a car on two seperate occasions I didn't appreciate his threat, and he left the next light missing a side mirror. Using a 2 ton vehicle in a threatening manner to cyclist should be treated the same as a using a deadly weapon.

Actually, not only should it be considered a deadly weapon, DA's offices throughout the state routinely file charges alleging vehicles as deadly weapons. Depending on how the vehicle is used, it can be alleged as a deadly weapon in felony DWI cases, and also in Aggravated Assault cases. Swerving at a pedestrian or cyclist in an attempt to scare them, or to cause them to crash, is a clear case of aggravated assault.

Sec. 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;

(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or

(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

Sec. 22.02. AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person commits assault as defined in Sec. 22.01 and the person:

(1) causes serious bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse; or

(2) uses or exhibits a deadly weapon during the commission of the assault.

Tough talking motorists could find themselves facing 2-20 in TDC. If it happens to you, get a license plate number and try to get a view of the driver, and report it.Pictures make wonderful evidence. It may not result in charges (due to lack of evidence), but the motorist may at least be interviewed by police, making him think twice about committing road rage incidents in the future.

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On neighborhood Heights streets, it will never happen, regardless your attempted stretch of the statute to fit your argument. The cops won't write the ticket, and it wouldn't hold up in court if they did.

But, if it makes you feel better, you can start a thread about it on freerepublic. They'd probably agree with you there.

I know the cops wont ever write the tickets....they are too busy harassing those evils hooligans driving 38 mph over the Shepherd bridge to write a ticket for obstructing traffic...but nonetheless the bicycles are obstructing traffic.

On neighborhood streets I really have no problem sharing the road with bikes...but that is never where they ride. They prefer to ride where they dont have to stop/start too...They routinely, as in every 2-3 days obstruct quite a bit of traffic where Yale/Heights merge as they approach Memorial....when they cross the bridge in the right lane traveling all of 8 mph they block the traffic for about 40 seconds causing quite a minor backup, as cars attempting to enter Memorial are blocked from the entrance and cars attempting to get onto Heights/Yale from Memorial are stuck unable to merge b/c the bicycle has caused a backup around it.

It is a VERY minor complaint, but it happens so frequently as to be frustrating. They are either oblivious to the back up, or they just flat out dont care....I believe its the latter....they have a legal right to do what they are doing so to hell with everyone else....

Im not sure what this freerepublic site is...Ill have to giver er a look.

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I am always amused at how bicyclists gripe about how they are treated by motorists yet they seem to be incapable of following the traffic laws. Lately there have been huge groups of bicyclists riding in the evenings on Heights Blvd and they blow every stop sign and red light they come to. And what good is a bike lane if they don't ride in it?

They need to stay off the road.

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I am always amused at how bicyclists gripe about how they are treated by motorists yet they seem to be incapable of following the traffic laws. Lately there have been huge groups of bicyclists riding in the evenings on Heights Blvd and they blow every stop sign and red light they come to. And what good is a bike lane if they don't ride in it?

Recently, I had one guy blow a light and if I didn't slam on the brakes, he would be been an ornament on my car. I blew my horn at him and had the "gumption" to flip me off.

Never has road rage seemed like a viable option with that jerk.

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No it is not. Running a controlled intersection is not the same as exceeding a speed limit. In their campaign to remind drivers that bikes are vehicles too, they somehow failed to realize that they too must obey the law.

Yes it is. It is entirely the same. There is a law and a person is breaking the law.

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It is a VERY minor complaint, but it happens so frequently as to be frustrating. They are either oblivious to the back up, or they just flat out dont care....I believe its the latter....they have a legal right to do what they are doing so to hell with everyone else....

Houston driving culture is about power and control, with some third world drivers and a current societal fashion for victimhood thrown in.

You’re frustrated because the fact that bikes have a right to the road makes you feel powerless and out of control.

In a Foxworthy vein, you might be an unsafe driver if:

You feel that bikes are nuisances to cars

You are easily frustrated by interacting safely with bicycle riders on the road

You claim to be a victim of bicycles if you have to slow down or yield right of way to them

You site statutes that will justify your anger and frustration with bicycle riders

You are amused that people who ride bikes gripe about how people in 1-2 ton cars drive

You are not smarter than a fifth grader ;)

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I would be willing to bet that more than half of the bikes riding around are on neighborhood streets... and complaining about the Yale Heights merge near memorial... the bikes are going more like 15-20 mph, the speed limit is 35.... and once they are merged there is an entire lane to use to go around them. Get over your caged self entitlement.

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I would be willing to bet that more than half of the bikes riding around are on neighborhood streets... and complaining about the Yale Heights merge near memorial... the bikes are going more like 15-20 mph, the speed limit is 35.... and once they are merged there is an entire lane to use to go around them. Get over your caged self entitlement.

But, but, but, but... those bike riders are selfish. Don't they realize that I am in a hurry? What about ME and MY time? My modified truck that violates those pesky EPA rules because I shouldn't have to follow any commie governmental regulations that try and give us things like clean air and waterways shouldn't have to slow down for selfish bike riders. Seriously, selfish bike riders are selfish. I am talking about ME here and how this affects MY life.

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No, it's those pedestrians who are being selfish. Don't they know that the sidewalks belong to the bike riders also? At least in the Galleria area they do. Twice this year alone, while standing still at a bus stop in front of Neiman's, I have been almost run over by a cyclist barreling through at a pace that would have been reasonable on the street. I guess Uptown cyclists believe they are in Amsterdam or something, but at least there they ring a bell there before they plow into you.

Then coming into work on a Saturday, I get to wait behind other cyclists meandering down both lanes of Post Oak, weaving back and forth like they in a cul-de-sac on a Sunday stroll. Guess I was being selfish for wanting just one lane of the road.

There is definately a breed of cyclist who is so important and uber-cool that they do not need to follow the rules designed for mere mortals.

Also agree that people can't drive around here. In the Galleria, I see daily occurances of people without any understanding of one-way streets, or parking garages that flow one way only. I guess because it's a destination that draws people in from the burbs who are unfamiliar with non-cul-de-sacs. But that belongs in a different thread. This one is griping about bicyclists.

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I didn't witness the aftermath but my business partner in the 401 Studewood building told me a bicyclist was blown over the side of the Studewood bridge about two weeks ago, messed him up bad. Apparently he tried to ride on that little walkway next to the low rail figuring he was safer than riding in the southbound lane with those important people coming off of the White Oak light testing their 0-60 times into a blind curve. That bridge has to be the most dangerous stretch for bicyclists in the Heights. A much safer route is the bike trail over Studewood and go right on the new sidewalk that parallels south side of I-10 by CBS. I hear all the bravado, but it's not worth it. And some drunk chick killed a motorcyclist (local artist) waiting at the southbound Stude light at I-10 on the same stretch about a month ago.

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No, it's those pedestrians who are being selfish. Don't they know that the sidewalks belong to the bike riders also? At least in the Galleria area they do. Twice this year alone, while standing still at a bus stop in front of Neiman's, I have been almost run over by a cyclist barreling through at a pace that would have been reasonable on the street. I guess Uptown cyclists believe they are in Amsterdam or something, but at least there they ring a bell there before they plow into you.

Then coming into work on a Saturday, I get to wait behind other cyclists meandering down both lanes of Post Oak, weaving back and forth like they in a cul-de-sac on a Sunday stroll. Guess I was being selfish for wanting just one lane of the road.

There is definately a breed of cyclist who is so important and uber-cool that they do not need to follow the rules designed for mere mortals.

Also agree that people can't drive around here. In the Galleria, I see daily occurances of people without any understanding of one-way streets, or parking garages that flow one way only. I guess because it's a destination that draws people in from the burbs who are unfamiliar with non-cul-de-sacs. But that belongs in a different thread. This one is griping about bicyclists.

In Amsterdam the bikes are on the red path. The red path is not a walkway, it's the bike path, and you had best look before you cross the red path. It's rumored the reason they are red paths is not because of paint, but all the blood from the tourists who walk across the bike path without looking both ways.

to your point though, I am in full agreement, militant cyclists (that's what I like to call the 'hardcore guys' who don't pay attention to any of the laws, and take up as much road as they can on their bicycle) need to be ticketed. They need to not be riding a bicycle, and if they act the same way in a car as they do on a bike, they need to not have a car either.

These guys who are going to take up every lane of traffic, rather than riding 2 to a lane and in a file in the same lane, leaving the rest for cars. These guys who when someone honks to let them know they are taking up the entire roadway and not letting the car pass, they slow down even more, or act maliciously. These guys who cork intersections, or just wantonly blow stoplights and stop signs that clearly have cross traffic.

These are the guys who really make people like marksmu mad, and I'd say he's in the right of it for being mad.

However, if I rode in the Galleria area, I'd be doing so on the sidewalk as well (although I'd yield to peds), to ride a bicycle on the street in the Galleria area, I'd consider that attempted suicide. Hell, when I rode out on the west side of town (around Dairy Ashford and Westheimer) I rode the sidewalk, rarely there were peds and I'd yield, cause technically, riding on the sidewalk next to, or within 100 feet of a building is illegal, though I doubt a cop is going to stop someone doing it, cause they know it's safer for them too.

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I ride my bike as often as I can to places within 6 mi. I always take neighborhood streets and bike-friendly streets are marked on google maps. What puzzles me are those cyclists that choose to ride on major thoroughfares like W. Alabama and Westheimer (Yale and Heights are bike-friendly).

Another funny thing that happens on 4-way stop intersections is that some drivers tend to be overly cautious when they see me coming. If they are the only car at the stop sign, I adjust my speed accordingly so I can blast my way through the intersection after they've gone, but for some reason they wait at the stop sign longer than they usually would if I were just another car.

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I didn't witness the aftermath but my business partner in the 401 Studewood building told me a bicyclist was blown over the side of the Studewood bridge about two weeks ago, messed him up bad. Apparently he tried to ride on that little walkway next to the low rail figuring he was safer than riding in the southbound lane with those important people coming off of the White Oak light testing their 0-60 times into a blind curve. That bridge has to be the most dangerous stretch for bicyclists in the Heights. A much safer route is the bike trail over Studewood and go right on the new sidewalk that parallels south side of I-10 by CBS. I hear all the bravado, but it's not worth it. And some drunk chick killed a motorcyclist (local artist) waiting at the southbound Stude light at I-10 on the same stretch about a month ago.

Yeah, he (or anyone) had no business being on that stretch of Studewood.

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More collective guilt. Two experiences in a year equates to "Uptown cyclists."

We're all individuals, and we should be responsible for our own actions. Don't blame everyone for the actions of an individual.

Yes, yes. I should feel guilt for standing in front of a bus stop. And two personal actions within a one-year period IS too many when according to the law, there should be zero.

But we have to justify everything for the militant cyclists who do no wrong.

Gee - I didn't see you defending other people who drive large trucks, etc. just because of the the actions of a few.

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In Amsterdam the bikes are on the red path. The red path is not a walkway, it's the bike path, and you had best look before you cross the red path. It's rumored the reason they are red paths is not because of paint, but all the blood from the tourists who walk across the bike path without looking both ways.

Yeah - but they will run you over even if you aren't on the red path, there. Guess they have a militant strain there also. You just learn to keep radar up in all directions. But at least they will ring a bell before they smack into you.

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Yes, yes. I should feel guilt for standing in front of a bus stop.

That isn't what I said.

And two personal actions within a one-year period IS too many when according to the law, there should be zero.

Those were the actions of two individuals, not the actions of all Uptown cyclists.

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I guess Uptown cyclists believe they are in Amsterdam or something, but at least there they ring a bell there before they plow into you.

Maybe what you should have said is that, "I guess those two cyclists believe they are in ..." because your experience doesn't mean all Uptown cyclists are doing this.

Gee - I didn't see you defending other people who drive large trucks, etc. just because of the the actions of a few.

If I see you making an unqualified generalization saying that all Uptown truck drivers don't drive well, I will be happy to call that out as well. Aim for your target, not for every cyclist in Uptown.

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Yeah - but they will run you over even if you aren't on the red path, there. Guess they have a militant strain there also. You just learn to keep radar up in all directions. But at least they will ring a bell before they smack into you.

I've never seen it.

I visit my relatives over there at least once every 2 years for about 2 weeks at a time. up until I was 18 we'd stay for a full month visiting relatives every two years.

Yes, if you enter the bike path, you better make sure there's no cyclists coming, they won't stop. I've never seen this happen on the regular sidewalk though. I'm not saying it doesn't or won't happen, I just find it hard to believe based on my experience.

I don't doubt it though, with more bicycles than people (over 880,000 bicycles in Amsterdam, and 780,000 people living there) that some kind of run-in between a bicycle and a person will happen on a sidewalk. I also can say very confidently that if you saw this occur once, instead of every step of your journey, the incident was singular and the exception rather than the rule.

Next time you're over there and you see it happen, tell the guy on the bike he's a "stom eikel" It's direct translation is 'stupid acorn', but when used as an insult, stom still means stupid, but eikel means something a lot more inflammatory than acorn. PM me if you want to know, cause I'm sure it'll be censured if I write it, and I'm no fan of dodging swear filters.

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