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17 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said:

I hope to God you are correct. With this renaming of everything in the last 20 years to sound like New York Junior I wouldn't be so sure. Just look at how many places have been given illusionary New York names. In addition to the previous list East side is now called "Eado" or something similar. It all lacks originality.

 

Is there another city (or at least urban discussion board) with so such low self-esteem that they pee their pants at the possibility that something might be seen to be derivative of something in New York City?  Cities all over America have downtowns, uptowns, midtowns, SoMas, NoDos, EaDos, LoDos, etc., etc., etc.  There is even an East River some place outside of New York (an actual river, unlike the non-river East River in NYC) and any number of other things named East River, in places other than NYC.

 

And FWIW, the entire East Side is not EaDo.

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41 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said:

I hope to God you are correct. With this renaming of everything in the last 20 years to sound like New York Junior I wouldn't be so sure. Just look at how many places have been given illusionary New York names. In addition to the previous list East side is now called "Eado" or something similar. It all lacks originality.

 

The name clearly to some degree refers to the East River in New York City; Brinsden acknowledged the New York inspiration in the article, and even gave out Brooklyn's Dumbo (which is on the East River) as an example. That said, there is nothing wrong with deriving names from NYC, just like there was nothing wrong with NYC deriving many of its place names from London.

 

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57 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

They may think that there are people who are not aware that bayous are rivers.  And judging by the reaction of some on this board, they are apparently correct.

 

I'm pretty sure people on this board are aware that a bayou is a "slow moving river", but that doesn't change the fact that the body of water that this property is on is called Buffalo Bayou, not Buffalo River. Either way I'm happy about the planned development.

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I wonder if there were people in NYC that had discussions about areas being named after places in London, or the Netherlands back in the way back machine?

 

Harlem? Really? Can't we be more original than that??

 

Anyway, I may be in serious denial, but I think the freeway realignment is really far from funded, no matter what the people at txdot approve. there's a chron article that stated 4 billion just for the downtown section?

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Houston-s-7-billion-highway-project-would-widen-8323573.php

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A city founded by New Yorkers dare a single development with a similar name? Someone call Crimestoppers.

 

Also weren't the Astros founded by the Yankees owner? Yankees Jr.

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Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

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16 minutes ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

 

-A central plaza styled like those in Europe and Latin America. A fountain?

-Need light rail extension to it maybe stemming from the green line, buses too. 

-Integrate the bayou. Restaurants and cafes right on it, but try to limit chains.

-A big public market like Pikes Place in Seattle. 

-Use native trees and plants. No palm trees!

-Mix modern/contemporary architecture with the warehouse brick look of the east end. No stucco or beige!

-Use arches, we don't have enough of those. And incorporate them into ground floor retail and restaurants.

-A clock tower that you can climb up to for the hell of it. 

-I'm not sure if the development goes across the bayou as well, but if it does, a signature bridge. Something with charm. 

-And lastly, make it a development where all sorts of people can go have fun, play local music, and interact. No matter how awesome it is, we don't need another river oaks district. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

Show them renderings of Regent Square and then ask them if they envision a similarly urban design for their development. 

 

Emphasize to them that where they decide to put parking is key. Parking that comes between the sidewalk and storefront typically endorses a suburban design, with large pedestrian unfriendly setbacks. If they put parking behind stores, that's ok. If they make parking garages, that's ok. If they go underground parking, that's ok. If they put parking on street sides, that's ok too. 

 

But they should try to avoid putting parking lots between their developments. Show them the street level interface planned for Regent Square, or even City Center. 

 

Because they have nearly a mile of bayou fronting their land, a river walk type of thing with stores, restaurants, and bars along the bayou would be amazing. 

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2 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

 

Keep it simple. Back Bay in Boston is beautifully simple. One commercial street. One boulevard/esplanade street. Park along the river. Uniform grid, no pointless curves or dead ends. All the best places are laid out simple. Simple gets better with age.

 

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2 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

 

Dont really care what goes on it, I just would like it to feel integrated with the streets and feel as public as possible. Avoid anything that feels like it's an enclosed development. Put as many streets on it as possible. Don't build ugly garages. 

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3 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Have an opportunity to speak with Midway in the next few weeks about this development. What would HAIF'rs give as input on a project with this much open land and with the opportunity to make this a landmark site?

Top golf on a roof 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jk but seriously stay away from the bland beige color pallet and well planned connection/integration to the bayou.  

 

This might be a long shot but if they really want to create something special like they claim this would be a good chance to create a landmark or something that really stands out that has never been seen before.  I'm not speaking of the actual development itself just some sort of novelty structure like the space needle in Seattle :)

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3 hours ago, pablog said:

 

-A central plaza styled like those in Europe and Latin America. A fountain?

-Need light rail extension to it maybe stemming from the green line, buses too. 

-Integrate the bayou. Restaurants and cafes right on it, but try to limit chains.

-A big public market like Pikes Place in Seattle. 

-Use native trees and plants. No palm trees!

-Mix modern/contemporary architecture with the warehouse brick look of the east end. No stucco or beige!

-Use arches, we don't have enough of those. And incorporate them into ground floor retail and restaurants.

-A clock tower that you can climb up to for the hell of it. 

-I'm not sure if the development goes across the bayou as well, but if it does, a signature bridge. Something with charm. 

-And lastly, make it a development where all sorts of people can go have fun, play local music, and interact. No matter how awesome it is, we don't need another river oaks district. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree NO PALM TREES !  So tired of seeing those in the central, northern and western parts of the city where they are NOT NATIVE.  It isn't Galveston and will never be.

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2 hours ago, Timoric said:

 

They do look nice and I used to like them too until I had to care for them. I have two huge year-round blooming Magnolias (not sure what you call them) and actually really dislike them because they make tons of raking, pruning, picking up broken sticks, and bagging with the pine cone things they drop and the heavy dirty leaves multiple times a year. Of course my wife thinks they are great looking out the window smiling at me holding a wine glass while I am raking all the time.

 

That's one of the beauties of a high density, master planned environment... you get People to do such things. B)

 

Seriously, though, magnolias work best when they've got enough room to do their natural thing of having limbs all the way to the ground.  That takes care of a lot of the stick and cone picking, raking, and pretty much all of the pruning.

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Fool me once...

 

If Alessandra is any indication, the KBR site is going to be CityCentre on the bayou.  Not the worst thing in the world, but hardly something that's going to break new ground or be a major tourist attraction like Pike Place.  We can all fantasize about more, but I think it would be foolish to expect anything beyond Midway's track record. 

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I think Texas bald Cypress trees along the bayou edge would be very nice. They are native and they love water. They turn a beautiful rust color in the fall.

I would prefer no stucco. I think if your going to build a lasting project that sets a high bar it should be brick and concrete and steel. 

Provide for a lookout area perhaps the plaza built above the parking garage for downtown vistas. Urban design only no suburban schlock!

Leave room for continuation of trails along the bayou. I think a trolley down Clinton to downtown Harrisburg light rail station at Convention center would be great.

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Also, I'm suprised no one on here commented on this company KBRN's purchases at the same time:

 

ACCOUNT INFORMATION
Account Number Owner Name Property Address Zip Impr Sq Ft Market Value Appraised Value
0371220000006 KBRN LP 2315 NAVIGATION BLVD 77003 0 $4,068,500 $4,068,500
0371230000001 KBRN LP 2338 NAVIGATION BLVD 77003 0 $123,440 $123,440
0371230000005 KBRN LP 2311 CANAL ST 77003 49,700 $3,655,120 $3,655,120
0371230000023 KBRN LP 2332 NAVIGATION BLVD 77003 0 $236,620 $236,620
0351540000001 KBRN LP 3300 CLINTON DR 77020 0 $375,000 $375,000
0351550000001 KBRN LP 3200 CLINTON DR 77020 0 $325,000 $325,000
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Wow, 19.  No surprise for the properties on Clinton.  But, the cluster around Jensen, Navigation and Canal is a surprise.  That area will make a great gateway to "East River" area.  Especially once they install the traffic circle at Jensen/Navigation/Runnels. 

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On 10/4/2016 at 2:17 PM, H-Town Man said:

 

Keep it simple. Park along the river. Uniform grid, no pointless curves or dead ends. All the best places are laid out simple. Simple gets better with age.

 

I disagree,  but unfortunately simple is most probably what we are going to get. 

 

I think it is a waste of frontage to have parking facing the bayou.

 

But I bet we are going to get a development like the post office site with a few buildings in the center of the property surrounded by a sea of surface parking

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1 hour ago, HoustonIsHome said:

I disagree,  but unfortunately simple is most probably what we are going to get. 

 

I think it is a waste of frontage to have parking facing the bayou.

 

But I bet we are going to get a development like the post office site with a few buildings in the center of the property surrounded by a sea of surface parking

I don't usually have a lot of faith in developers, but if it's anything like the current post office site I would be shocked.  

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2 hours ago, HoustonIsHome said:

I disagree,  but unfortunately simple is most probably what we are going to get. 

 

I think it is a waste of frontage to have parking facing the bayou.

 

But I bet we are going to get a development like the post office site with a few buildings in the center of the property surrounded by a sea of surface parking

Maybe in the first phases. Eventually not.

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Hmmm... sounds like we could have a lot of boat docks being built here too. Perhaps they could have a Houston Ship Channel tour boat launch from here as well.

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1 hour ago, Triton said:

Hmmm... sounds like we could have a lot of boat docks being built here too. Perhaps they could have a Houston Ship Channel tour boat launch from here as well.

 

That would be a neat little item to have.  I love taking duck tours in other towns when I visit.  I never thought about it working here, but the ship channel plus portions of Galveston Bay might work if a company wanted launch some sort of half day cruise.

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I don't think H-Town Man meant parking on the bayou. I think he was suggesting a park on the bayou, as in green space, not parking as in cars.

I can't speak for him, but it seems that was what he was inferring.

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11 hours ago, cspwal said:

I wonder if there could be water taxis between here and downtown


Bingo. The downtown dock would naturally be Allens Landing. Have a dock (or two, this site is pretty long) here for the new development, and another at the turning basin where the Maritime Museum is supposed to go (the plan is for the museum to be the launching point of the ship channel boat tour, so a water taxi connection would help link more people to the museum/tour).

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On October 7, 2016 at 6:53 AM, HoustonIsHome said:

I disagree,  but unfortunately simple is most probably what we are going to get. 

 

I think it is a waste of frontage to have parking facing the bayou.

 

But I bet we are going to get a development like the post office site with a few buildings in the center of the property surrounded by a sea of surface parking

 

As another commenter pointed out, I meant park as in green space along the bayou, not auto parking along the bayou. The analogy to Back Bay should make it clearer. I don't think Midway is in the business of seas of parking; they've never done this in any project I know of.

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Here's a snippet of some footage I took with my drone while looking at the area around the KBR site.  The area looks more than ready for development.  I can't wait to see the transformation.  Also note the spectator that showed up.  He probably thought I was doing some illegal dumping.

 

 

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hahaha, no worries, I just thought the response was appropriately funny :)

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On 3/2/2017 at 8:33 PM, AnTonY said:

I'm not sure why people have a problem with palm trees being planted. While SE/coastal areas of the metro feature the most optimal growing climate (and with the largest varieties of species), everywhere in the Houston has a climate warm enough to support the planting of many types of palms.

 

There are two native palm varieties specifically to the Houston area (sabal minor and sabal brazoria), but even if there weren't, it doesn't matter, since many palms have been shown to do well in Houston's climate, from dates to washingtonias to sabals. No palm is native to coastal California, doesn't stop places like LA from planting loads of them.

 

It really doesn't matter if a plant is native or not; if it can grow well, then there is no problem using it. Crape myrtles aren't native to the US, yet they grow just fine in Houston, and no one throws a fit at their presence.

 

They just don't provide much shade in a city that needs shade along sidewalks. 

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