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Several months ago Paul (owner of TNP) showed me the plans. TNP will have a new home within this development. All going well. 

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Word on the street is that these visuals of Section 1 were leaked by a vendor and that Midway did not intend on the public seeing them.... Please disregard the photos and pretend that you did see anything

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56 minutes ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Word on the street is that these visuals of Section 1 were leaked by a vendor and that Midway did not intend on the public seeing them.... Please disregard the photos and pretend that you did see anything

 

Who publishes an entire brochure of a major development on Loopnet by accident? I'm a bit skeptical.

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31 minutes ago, Luminare said:

 

Who publishes an entire brochure of a major development on Loopnet by accident? I'm a bit skeptical.

 

 

I think they underestimated people's ability to find documents like this without specifically having it labeled under East River. Probably part of their direct to retailers marketing materials but as indicated by their lack of updates on their website and social media, not quite intended for public consumption. They have been mostly silent since the bid for Amazon. Even when they added new renderings, it was simply added into the brochure without any announcement.  I'd imagine they wanted to wait until a few retailers were committed to share this. 

 

Every morning I drive past the lot and there are definitely construction workers moving dirt around. 

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Just now, I'm Not a Robot said:

 

 

I think they underestimated people's ability to find documents like this without specifically having it labeled under East River. Probably part of their direct to retailers marketing materials but as indicated by their lack of updates on their website and social media, not quite intended for public consumption. They have been mostly silent since the bid for Amazon. Even when they added new renderings, it was simply added into the brochure without any announcement.  I'd imagine they wanted to wait until a few retailers were committed to share this. 

 

Every morning I drive past the lot and there are definitely construction workers moving dirt around. 

 

Thats exactly why I'm skepical of the prior post. Boots are on the ground and moving dirt. You aren't moving dirt unless the project is permitted, approved, and out the door. Do accidents happen? Sure. But this notion that nobody is ever competent in these positions, ever, is just wrong, dead wrong. The odds of it being that kind of accident are slim to none. Your line of reasoning is definitely more rational. That they probably wanted to lock down a few more tenants in areas before a grand promotion, but we also haven't had Midway deny the renderings either. Its more likely that this "word on the street" is just someone being a little pissy in a meeting with Midway. With dirt moving lets avoid this speculation telephone game and only let actual sources, that aren't anonymous, make that shift in conversation. That post was the equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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Should they have not been on LoopNet?

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28 minutes ago, I'm Not a Robot said:

Every morning I drive past the lot and there are definitely construction workers moving dirt around. 

 

Just to add to that, there were two large construction vehicles from Cherry Demolition that had remained on site—as late as this last weekend—from when the warehouses along Jensen were demolished a few months back. As of yesterday they had finally been removed.

 

I take that as another indication that they are close to actually breaking ground.

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42 minutes ago, Luminare said:

 

Thats exactly why I'm skepical of the prior post. Boots are on the ground and moving dirt. You aren't moving dirt unless the project is permitted, approved, and out the door. Do accidents happen? Sure. But this notion that nobody is ever competent in these positions, ever, is just wrong, dead wrong. The odds of it being that kind of accident are slim to none. Your line of reasoning is definitely more rational. That they probably wanted to lock down a few more tenants in areas before a grand promotion, but we also haven't had Midway deny the renderings either. Its more likely that this "word on the street" is just someone being a little pissy in a meeting with Midway. With dirt moving lets avoid this speculation telephone game and only let actual sources, that aren't anonymous, make that shift in conversation. That post was the equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater.

 

So, the neighboring community had a meeting with Midway last week and this is exactly what Midway told them. 

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I was just looking out of my office windows, the big building on the site says TNP now.

 

this is the building that had AMZN in the windows.

 

is this a The New Potato advertisement?

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2 minutes ago, samagon said:

I was just looking out of my office windows, the big building on the site says TNP now.

 

this is the building that had AMZN in the windows.

 

is this a The New Potato advertisement?



No. It's for another development in the East End forum. Mr. Clean posted it here for whatever reason, shifting the discussion briefly from this thread's topic to another development.

You can read about it in its designated thread here:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/44784-station-3535/

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On 3/11/2019 at 1:52 PM, nate4l1f3 said:

Serious question because I don’t know, but if there are occasional gators in the bayous what’s stopping them from attacking a kayak or canoe?  Have there been incidents of this in Houston? 

I've kayaked near alligators many times. Most of the time they've ignored me, occasionally have swam away. I don't think they see a human in a boat as food, though maybe something big enough they don't want to mess with.

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1 hour ago, I'm Not a Robot said:

 

 

I think they underestimated people's ability to find documents like this without specifically having it labeled under East River.



They didn't underestimate people, they underestimated HAIF and most importantly @Urbannizer. Leave it to Urb and he'll find the lost ark of Noah's. 🤣

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I love this alligator conversation. Alligators aren't supposed to care for larger prey or prey foreign to their habits--humans are both. We all associate all crocodilia with saltwater or nile crocs which WILL KILL YOU. 

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Actually Samagon, that is the KBR building that Midway controls and not the proposed development across Clinton that Crockpot was referencing.  Midway surprised Paul, the owner of The New Potato, by lighting up the building with “TNP” on St Patrick’s Day. It was an awesome gesture...but, not a paid advertisement.  It looks great! 

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On 4/2/2019 at 4:04 PM, Reefmonkey said:

I've kayaked near alligators many times. Most of the time they've ignored me, occasionally have swam away. I don't think they see a human in a boat as food, though maybe something big enough they don't want to mess with.

 

it's mainly when you get near their babies, that's when mamma gator starts getting protective and will show abnormally aggressive behavior.

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The timing works out with the completion of the 45 re-route and the rest of the area would have developed significantly. Still great that there is a 10 year timeline. I would have expected more. 

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Considering the landmass is almost half the size of downtown, I'd say that's pretty fast.

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2 hours ago, lockmat said:

Considering the landmass is almost half the size of downtown, I'd say that's pretty fast.

Particularly that 4-phases will be developed in the next 10 years!!  2.5 years each.  Pretty aggressive, indeed.

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51 minutes ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

Is this due to Opportunity Zone funding, a need to develop in the area, or some other cause I'm not seeing?

 

Mediocre developers chase only incentives. Great developers chase raw opportunity and potential.

 

Incentives should be a plus when factored. Not the whole.

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13 hours ago, arche_757 said:

I must admit the quality of ideas in regard to development has drastically improved over the last 20 years.  East River, Station Houston and TMC3 (among others), while different entirely in what they are - are the sort of forward thinking, large, transformative projects Houston was known for decades ago.  Those 3 alone will greatly alter the landscape in town.

 

This is an entire new district created in an area where these sort of projects wouldn’t have happened with the developers of the 90’s and early 00’s.  At all.  Midway has - in my opinion - clearly separated itself from anyone not named Hines in this town.  Good for them.  Better for us.

I think Houston metro  had other big things going on in other decades like Kingwood and the Woodlands that were among the best of their type and highly successful

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Drone footage of the site (not my video)

 

 

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19 hours ago, arche_757 said:

I must admit the quality of ideas in regard to development has drastically improved over the last 20 years.  East River, Station Houston and TMC3 (among others), while different entirely in what they are - are the sort of forward thinking, large, transformative projects Houston was known for decades ago.  Those 3 alone will greatly alter the landscape in town.

 

This is an entire new district created in an area where these sort of projects wouldn’t have happened with the developers of the 90’s and early 00’s.  At all.  Midway has - in my opinion - clearly separated itself from anyone not named Hines in this town.  Good for them.  Better for us.

 

I think gclass is going to scold you for not including ROD. Yes, some of these call to mind pioneering stuff like The Galleria or Woodlands Town Center.

 

The real challenge for Houston though is various developers doing little developments that interact and build texture in a neighborhood. Some of our downtown stuff is in this vein but you still have those little pocket parking lots around Market Square where there should be little commercial buildings. "Fine-grained development" as Angostura would say, smaller than a city block. We have always had developers who could take a large piece of land and build a new paradise, but it's the small stuff, fitting in with other development, that we have not mastered.

 

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18 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I think gclass is going to scold you for not including ROD. Yes, some of these call to mind pioneering stuff like The Galleria or Woodlands Town Center.

 

The real challenge for Houston though is various developers doing little developments that interact and build texture in a neighborhood. Some of our downtown stuff is in this vein but you still have those little pocket parking lots around Market Square where there should be little commercial buildings. "Fine-grained development" as Angostura would say, smaller than a city block. We have always had developers who could take a large piece of land and build a new paradise, but it's the small stuff, fitting in with other development, that we have not mastered.

 

 

Then lets hope that the extension of the non-minimum parking requirements into midtown and Eado take place. Its one of the prime reasons that area hasn't absolutely exploded. Its more cost effective for developers to buy large tracts of land so they can do whatever they want and the "minimum parking requirements" can be mitigated through proper planning. The elimination of parking requirements has had its desired effect on downtown already. The massive food halls and refurbishments of older buildings has only been possible because the city no longer requires these places to cater to parking needs/requirements. These larger developments are really interesting though in how much they fill things in, establish new cores to grow from later, and due to our no-zoning policies brings an interesting hap-hazard formation of clusters of large developments thats like a reengineering of what development patterns were like before the era of "proper" city planning in Europe or even early America. That minimum requirement is the last dam preventing a true explosion of interesting activity at all scales and levels of development in this city.

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23 hours ago, Timoric said:

I think Houston metro  had other big things going on in other decades like Kingwood and the Woodlands that were among the best of their type and highly successful

 

Large, yes. Transformative and forward thinking, I think not.  Developments like The Woodlands or Kingwood only furthered sprawl, they are the antithesis of the “forward thinking” projects I believe Arche_757 was referring too.  

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Perhaps this has been mentioned before.  Are there plans for  the downtown connector bus, I believe is called greenlink, to have a route to this area? 

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6 hours ago, Luminare said:

 

Then lets hope that the extension of the non-minimum parking requirements into midtown and Eado take place. Its one of the prime reasons that area hasn't absolutely exploded. Its more cost effective for developers to buy large tracts of land so they can do whatever they want and the "minimum parking requirements" can be mitigated through proper planning. The elimination of parking requirements has had its desired effect on downtown already. The massive food halls and refurbishments of older buildings has only been possible because the city no longer requires these places to cater to parking needs/requirements. These larger developments are really interesting though in how much they fill things in, establish new cores to grow from later, and due to our no-zoning policies brings an interesting hap-hazard formation of clusters of large developments thats like a reengineering of what development patterns were like before the era of "proper" city planning in Europe or even early America. That minimum requirement is the last dam preventing a true explosion of interesting activity at all scales and levels of development in this city.

What ever happened regarding the vote on this? It’s like it was put on the agenda then never heard from again

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On 4/26/2019 at 3:33 PM, Twinsanity02 said:

Perhaps this has been mentioned before.  Are there plans for  the downtown connector bus, I believe is called greenlink, to have a route to this area? 

There have been plans for a trolly system that connects to the rail line downtown. I'm more in favor of a gondola system though 

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6 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

There have been plans for a trolly system that connects to the rail line downtown. I'm more in favor of a gondola system though 

 

I like the idea of a trolley, I think Dallas has an old-time trolley system that runs through Uptown and Downtown. Having something like that would be cool, but I don't know how a vintage trolley would look with the East River plan.

 

Gondolas would be neat as well.

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3 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

There have been plans for a trolly system that connects to the rail line downtown. I'm more in favor of a gondola system though 

 

Has a gondola system ever been put into use as a serious transit system, in place of where a trolley might go?  I wonder how the costs would compare versus a trolley street car or light rail.

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22 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

Has a gondola system ever been put into use as a serious transit system, in place of where a trolley might go?  I wonder how the costs would compare versus a trolley street car or light rail.

 

When I went to Venice, I was actually surprised at how efficient their gondola / ferry transit system was. Of course they absolutely have to have it unless you want everyone to swim everywhere.

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24 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

Has a gondola system ever been put into use as a serious transit system, in place of where a trolley might go?  I wonder how the costs would compare versus a trolley street car or light rail.

 

 

 

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Using this system in Quito to connect the new airport to the new Subway system.  Makes sense there and it's supposed to be very cost effective due the terrain. 

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53 minutes ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

 

 

 

Yes, in Medellin there is a well known and successful project. Caracas also uses them but mainly to connect informal areas to existing metro stations. 

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I've often suspected that if the city started out 100 years prior that we probably would have became more of canal city like many Dutch cities. Would have been an effective way to handle floods. I could imagine a system like Amsterdam where you have concentric rings of canals.

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City could get that land where the Antenna is just south of East River and do a connector there. I have no idea what the regulation is on gondolas above residential or commercial properties. Some ski resorts have lifts right in the middle of the city that you can take up to the resorts. 

 

There are also rail cars that can convert to roadway vehicles and connect back to the rail. But by 2029, we better have driverless ubers in the area. 

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1 hour ago, Luminare said:

I've often suspected that if the city started out 100 years prior that we probably would have became more of canal city like many Dutch cities. Would have been an effective way to handle floods. I could imagine a system like Amsterdam where you have concentric rings of canals.

 

The biggest problem in early Houston was mosquito-borne malaria, which suggests residents wanted to be as far from water as possible and would not have developed like Amsterdam. We lost the state capital over this.

 

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