fwki Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I saw that Venture Commercial and Bryan Danna posted their real estate sign in front of the Conoco. These are the same developers of the former Burroughs property on the north side of White Oak (D'Amicos etc). HCAD Tax records still show the Burroughs trust as owners, but that data base is not current. Anybody hear anything about the site being in play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Nope but a nice tall tower should just nicely here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 The property falls under the original Norhill Addition deed restrictions, but it is one of the originally designated commercial lots in Norhill Addition wherein the residential limitations did not apply. I do not know what commercial deed restrictions exist, if any, so a nice tall tower would really spark the forum! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 City records show transactions for two properties closed on April 11, 2012 from Burroughs Trust to 602 STWD LP (GP being NAV-Retail, LLC). The Conoco tract is 18,237 SF and the Ready Room tract is 9,768 both classified as commercial real estate. That is a nice chunk of land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGM Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Nope but a nice tall tower should just nicely here.It would be environmentally conscious to recycle the Ashby Highrise Tower of Terror signs if a tower were to emerge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Excellent idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I think something similar in size to the development on 11th and studewood would fit nicely there. But really i just want a sushi or indian restaurant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Would there be MTBE contamination issues? I would guess that no one would be interested in keeping it as a gas station once Kroger opens up its gas station down the street. But with or without MTBE remediation costs, it will not be cheap to take out the gas tanks and get a clean bill of health from an enviro engineer. The other issue is that the Studewood side has that weird merge lane that cuts Studewood NB down from two lanes to one. Not a deal killer, but it would not be a feature that a fast food restaurant would want in front of its main driveway. I suspect it will be a while before someone takes a shot at redeveloping this parcel. There are other similarly sized parcels in the Heights that do not have as much baggage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Gas stations are repurposed routinely. Not only is it not a deal killer, it is not even a deal inhibitor. Given the limited number of parcels eligible for liquor permits (this site has had two), it won't be hard to turn that lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Compared to the cost of the property and rebuilding, the tank removal or abandonment is cheap - about $5,000-$10,000 per location. Since 1998 all tanks in use had to meet modern standards which is why we saw many old stations close in the early 90's. No doubt the purchaser did his enviromental due-diligence in any case. However, these guys didn't lift a brick for two years after purchase of the D'Amicos tract, so don't expect any action soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 One of my coworkers says he saw some protestors out there on the way to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 i'm would think something would happen sooner rather than later, given all the recent successes along white oak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGM Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Gas stations are repurposed routinely. Not only is it not a deal killer, it is not even a deal inhibitor. Given the limited number of parcels eligible for liquor permits (this site has had two), it won't be hard to turn that lot.How about a Heights version of Petrol, but with a real kitchen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heights_yankee Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think something similar in size to the development on 11th and studewood would fit nicely there. But really i just want a sushi or indian restaurant.Off topic but a lot of people don't know that Thai Spice on 19th has sushi. It's not a huge assortment, but it has always been fresh and it's BYOB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Off topic but a lot of people don't know that Thai Spice on 19th has sushi. It's not a huge assortment, but it has always been fresh and it's BYOB....as does (I think) Dragon Bowl on 11th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 ...as does (I think) Dragon Bowl on 11th.and don't forget Kroger....heck, I think the Conoco serves sushi now ever since the WHCA wrote it into the deed restrictions as "compulsory fare" along with the no new garage apartments clause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 but they aren't "sushi" places. Dragonbowl is consistantly subpar in all aspects. Thai spice has decent sushi, but i'd love a place where sushi is the focus. Maybe one of those chipotle style build your own hand rolls places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rental me this Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Gotta chime in on the lack of good sushi in the Heights. I've tried it a couple times at Thai Spice and was pretty underwhelmed. My pieces were very dry and tastewise, boring. The 11th Street Kroger rocks by comparison, which ain't saying much. It would be great to get an actual sushi place in the hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heights_yankee Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Listen, people, I'm not saying I wouldn't love a great sushi restaurant in the Heights but if you want a couple simple rolls, there are places to go. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) I would be happier to see a bagel place there, since there aren't any North of I-10. Edited August 20, 2012 by Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I want a smoky bar with slutty women hanging around. Can't have enough of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJxvi Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) Gotta hit the burbs for a smokey bar... Edited August 22, 2012 by JJxvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2013/01/ken_bridge_opening_new_cantina.phpFrom the link, Ken Bridge (Pinks, Lola, Witchcraft, Shepherd Park) is behind the development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 Let the Margarita wars begin! I hope it's a traditional Mexican cantina in keeping with the historical knife and gun play at that location. Plus I like the traditional Mexican cantina rules......from Wikipedia:In rural Mexico, cantina traditionally refers to a kind of bar that is normally frequented only by males for the purpose of imbibing alcohol and partaking of botanas (appetizers). Some cantinas are also known for being places where people gather to play dominoes, cards or other table games. Cantinas can often be distinguished by signs that expressly prohibit entrance to women (mujeres) and children... Also, some cantinas explicitly prohibit entrance to dogs (perros) and men in police or military uniform (uniformados). Some of the traditional restrictions on entry to cantinas are beginning to fade away. However, in many areas it is still viewed as scandalous for proper ladies to be seen visiting a genuine cantina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Does it still count if the knife play actually occurred across the street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yes. According to the HAHC's Unwritten Rules of Historical Designation, dueling grounds and locations of judicial combat are to be preserved in their entirety including areas of participation, secondee activity and observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I see. Plus, as I understand it, the knifee was staggering TOWARD the Conoco before collapsing, likely to buy a box of Marlboro Reds before he expired. Since the Conoco was likely his intended destination, I'm sure it counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 From the article:"I will actually be adding on to the existing Conoco building and adding about 5,000 more square feet of restaurant and outdoor patio space." He admits to being chagrined about having to demolish the old Redi Room, but when has time not marched on in Houston?So, they will repurpose the gas station and demolish the old bar. Interesting. Petrol Station did a great job repurposing an old gas station. But, that Conoco station is a different story. It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 sounds good to me, I can't wait to see how it ends up looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Remember when the Conoco night clerk blew away a shoplifter for stealing a case of beer? Shot him dead when he got back into his truck. Ah, the memories....Here's a link:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-clerk-fatally-shoots-alleged-beer-thief-1824938.php Edited January 7, 2013 by fwki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Hopefully, they won't be repurposing THAT part of the Conoco.That's why I liked Beer Island better. Knifing a guy is more old school than taking a guy out with a gun. Lazy man's murder weapon. This is the historic Heights after all. We don't do things just because it's easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I suppose bludgeoning with a club would be okay right? Also across from this there wasn't there a lady who pulled a gun on people for parking infront of her house or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heights_yankee Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I suppose bludgeoning with a club would be okay right? Also across from this there wasn't there a lady who pulled a gun on people for parking infront of her house or something?I know this happened on 10 1/2. It was an African American couple parked on the street. The wife was walking up to Davis Hardware to get her check and her husband was parked under a tree. A woman came out of her house, pointed a shot gun at him, and yelled a bunch of racist epithets and threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I know this happened on 10 1/2. It was an African American couple parked on the street. The wife was walking up to Davis Hardware to get her check and her husband was parked under a tree. A woman came out of her house, pointed a shot gun at him, and yelled a bunch of racist epithets and threats.That sounds like a good case of terroristic threats. Or, a good way for her to get shot. You do not point a firearm at someone who is legally on the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 but they had rocks blocking the grass!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That sounds like a good case of terroristic threats. Or, a good way for her to get shot. You do not point a firearm at someone who is legally on the street.I remember that. I believe that initially she was charged with aggravated assault. She lived somewhat behind Berryhill and was supposedly tired of people parking in front of her house.That just shows how wimpy the Heights gets the further north you go. On 10 1/2 Street, they point guns and yell epithets. On 6th Street, they shoot you or knife you or break out every window in your bar (gang fight at 6th Street Bar & Grill). By the time you get to 14th or 15th, they just put rocks on the grass and complain about it on internet forums. On 18th, they invite you to park on the lawn and bring you lemonade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJxvi Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 At some point you get back to threatening people with a machete and then taking over their bar with legal shenanigans though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 At some point you get back to threatening people with a machete and then taking over their bar with legal shenanigans though.nah, those days are over up there... now they just complain/whine really hard about event organizers up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 nah, those days are over up there... now they just complain/whine really hard about event organizers up there.That's the way they do it north of 20th Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJK Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 South of 11th street Representin'.They should add to the historic district signs south of 11th (we still stab people). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Proud South Heights anarchist here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatline Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Looks like earth moving has started at the Conoco site. Digging up the underground storage tanks, I assume?Looks like earth moving has started at the Conoco site. Digging up the underground storage tanks, I assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwki Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Off-topic and tea house posts deleted. Anymore derogatory remarks about caffeine consumers and this thread will be locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Off-topic and tea house posts deleted. Anymore derogatory remarks about caffeine consumers and this thread will be locked. Tea house posts were moved to a separate topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://www.chron.com/entertainment/restaurants-bars/article/Delicious-Concepts-rethinks-Heights-brewpub-6782722.php moo. Name is pretty bad, but at least they didn't do one of those douchy plus sign ("+") names. Could have easily been "Ritual Taproom + Kitchen". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcook2002 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://www.chron.com/entertainment/restaurants-bars/article/Delicious-Concepts-rethinks-Heights-brewpub-6782722.php moo. Name is pretty bad, but at least they didn't do one of those douchy plus sign ("+") names. Could have easily been "Ritual Taproom + Kitchen". considering the sign is not up yet, there is always a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Food looks great. And that Terlaner is a very nice white wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Ate here on Saturday. They're taking the sourcing very seriously, and have an onsite dry aging program. They appear to be doing (at least some of) their own butchering onsite as well. Beer program is impressive; wines BTG a little less so. The menu is very... masculine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) Older posts pertaining to El Cantina, the shuttered Tex-Mex restaurant from Delicious Concepts. The restaurant was located at 602 Studewood St. On 7/8/2014 at 10:37 AM, s3mh said: The El Cantina Superior is open. Have not been. Heard typical soft opening stories. Some things are great. Service extremely slow. Some things are terrible. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=467088 On 7/14/2014 at 10:00 AM, s3mh said: Meanwhile, the El Cantina Superior is getting slaughtered on Yelp and other forums. It is still very early, but people have told some pretty terrible tales of food and service in the early days of the restaurant. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=467805 On 7/14/2014 at 10:05 AM, TX_COLIN said: Unfortunately I can confirm that the service and food are severely sub-par at The El. The atmosphere is wonderful, and my wife and I had been looking forward to trying the restaurant during this "soft opening" process. However, bland/overcooked food, poor drinks, and slow service are hard to overlook. On Nextdoor, experiences have ranged from similar complaints to ours to food poisoning for an entire family. Hopefully things will change, but that is going to have to include some significant changes in staff and in the kitchen. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=467806 On 7/14/2014 at 3:24 PM, JCR said: On 7/14/2014 at 10:00 AM, s3mh said: Meanwhile, the El Cantina Superior is getting slaughtered on Yelp and other forums. It is still very early, but people have told some pretty terrible tales of food and service in the early days of the restaurant. The Heights restaurateur I know told me his clients have said the same thing. Doing Mexican food in this town is really competitive. There are too many choices in Houston and even close to the Heights for good established Mexican food joints. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=467846 On 8/11/2014 at 7:33 AM, JCR said: The El Cantina Superior is done. Will be interesting to see what happens next... https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471305 On 8/11/2014 at 10:31 AM, mcook2002 said: the sign says 'closed for utility problems' - have you heard otherwise? https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471337 On 8/11/2014 at 10:45 AM, kylejack said: Interesting. They're claiming gas leak. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471343 On 8/11/2014 at 10:56 AM, JCR said: If my source is wrong, a histogram of their FB and Twitter posts tells much. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471347 On 8/11/2014 at 12:55 PM, HAG said: So when you say it "is done", you mean closed for good? Or just until they fix issues (ie- utilities, service, food quality, etc)? https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471369 On 8/11/2014 at 1:25 PM, bedmondson said: I am sure it is next to impossible to close down for a couple weeks and retain that large of a staff. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=471372 On 8/22/2014 at 1:22 PM, JCR said: Restaurant Death Watch Reprieve: The El reopened on Wednesday. Not enough time to do a total revamp, but maybe to think about addressing issues listed on Yelp, Reddit, Google, and the Houston Press. They did seek outside expertise but no deal was executed AFAIK but maybe they will implement the free advice given. Or maybe not. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=472895 On 8/20/2015 at 6:52 PM, JCR said: http://www.houstonpress.com/restaurants/the-el-cantina-superior-has-closed-to-become-a-brewpub-updated-7681031 Reads article: shakes head... Comments: .!!! https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=508388 On 8/20/2015 at 7:44 PM, BigFootsSocks said: Quote I thought people wanted kind of a stepped-up deal. I think when it comes to Tex-Mex, they want run-of-the-mill. Super-cheap margaritas that get them really wasted and just kind of average Tex-Mex food.” That's weird, he did offer average Tex-Mex! https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=508393 On 8/20/2015 at 10:23 PM, mollusk said: On 8/20/2015 at 7:44 PM, BigFootsSocks said: That's weird, he did offer average Tex-Mex! If it were average Tex-Mex, life would have been fine. Unfortunately, it was at Maggie Rita's / Pancho's level, if that. Manky fish tacos are not part of "average." https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=508405 On 10/25/2015 at 5:55 AM, MaggieMay said: Meanwhile, the El Cantina Superior remains shuttered. Their site promises a "Relaunch" but there has been no sign of work. (I think a Brewpub was mentioned.) Too bad. The location is great & they put a lot of work into the place. But, except for the period when the Liberty Kitchen people had their hands in, their Tex-Mex was definitely sub-par...... https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=514628 On 1/25/2016 at 5:42 PM, Urbannizer said: Heights' El Cantina Site Won't be a Brewpub After All Quote Plans for the shuttered El Cantina Superior site near the White Oak dining and entertainment area have changed again. Rather than a brewpub that makes beer on site, the Heights space now is slated to open in mid-March as a casual restaurant called Ritual with an in-house butchershop and an "extensive" craft-beer lineup. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/6065-the-heights-restaurant-and-bar-scene-more-coming/?do=findComment&comment=524051 Edited April 27 by IntheKnowHouston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 A post pertaining to 602 Studewood from an unrelated topic. The post is about Delicious Concepts closing Ritual to open Mapojeong, a Korean barbecue restaurant. On 4/1/2021 at 2:29 PM, hindesky said: Goodbye Ritual, Hello Korean Barbecue DELICIOUS CONCEPTS ON TUESDAY ANNOUNCED that Ritual will end its run at 602 Studewood after Sunday service. But the space won’t be dormant for long—the company will unveil a new concept, Mapojeong Galbijib, in its place around the end of May. Mapojeong Galbijib is a Korean barbecue concept with table-side grilling service. It aims to feature only Prime proteins with an in-house dry aging program, along with house-made kimchi and banchan. “We wanted to create a guest experience that blends the best of my travels to Seoul and my time growing up in L.A.’s Koreatown with a modern attitude and approach,” said Bridge in a press release. Since 2016, Ritual has deftly produced Southern comfort fare inside very trendy environs. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/45508-2626-white-oak-dr/?do=findComment&comment=634320 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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