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They are attracting more homeless to the area and instilling in them things about the universe which they do not know.

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I would be curious what percentage of property in Midtown is exempt from taxation given the ever increasing number of charities and non-profits that are drawn to the area. Actually I'm not all that curious, I saw the writing on the wall when multiple charities and agencies made plans to move or expand their presense in Midtown and decided it was the time to cash in and leave. Many of these agencies do good work for those willing to change their lives, I just think that Midtown has crossed the tipping point as more see Midtown as the de facto zone.

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Good thing that we have a Board governing the Midtown TIRZ that brags about buying and holding cheap housing for indigents and promoting homeless shelters/charities.

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Good thing that we have a Board governing the Midtown TIRZ that brags about buying and holding cheap housing for indigents and promoting homeless shelters/charities.

It must be part of their diverse neighbor initiatives, because a neighborhood without disorder is a boring neighborhood.

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Good thing that we have a Board governing the Midtown TIRZ that brags about buying and holding cheap housing for indigents and promoting homeless shelters/charities.

Midtown does not do this. First, they are required by law to provide cheap housing as part of being setup as the Midtown TIRZ. They HAVE to spend a certain % of their money on this as a requirement by law. They buy land on the other side of 288 for this purpose because it's cheaper and not in the district. The land they own in Midtown is to promote development in the district and increase tax revenues (i.e. the Superblock park coming soon). Trust me... they are not happy with losing tax revenue on properties to non profits. Problem is that they are powerless to do anything because Houston has no zoning. Any non profit is free to buy whatever expensive piece of property they want.

Midtown is also upset with this because they hire extra police to patrol the neighborhood. The Constables are one of the biggest chunks of the budget. Problem is that the increased non-profit presence requires more Constable and HPD patrols, yet the non-profits are not paying taxes to support those extra patrols. That's why I said earlier in another thread that non-profits like the San Jose Clinic are fine when they maintain their property and have the place secure. The problem is when they allow loitering and do nothing to be a good neighbor by tolerating loitering, trash, drug dealing, etc.

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I feel bad for those who bought property near there. It's kind if sad that Midtown is the only pedestrian friendly urban neighborhood but is also the most most homeless friendly neighborhood.

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I feel bad for those who bought property near there. It's kind if sad that Midtown is the only pedestrian friendly urban neighborhood but is also the most most homeless friendly neighborhood.

It's a bit of an unfortunate coincidence of location and popularity. Midtown generally has more people and activity than downtown and is closest to most of the homeless population. The homeless know where to pandhandle and steal . . . where the people and the money are. Midtown's a shorter stumble than Montrose/Washington/Upper Kirby/etc. so that's why we have to deal with it. Is what it is, unfortunately.

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Midtown does not do this. First, they are required by law to provide cheap housing as part of being setup as the Midtown TIRZ. They HAVE to spend a certain % of their money on this as a requirement by law. They buy land on the other side of 288 for this purpose because it's cheaper and not in the district. The land they own in Midtown is to promote development in the district and increase tax revenues (i.e. the Superblock park coming soon). Trust me... they are not happy with losing tax revenue on properties to non profits. Problem is that they are powerless to do anything because Houston has no zoning. Any non profit is free to buy whatever expensive piece of property they want.

Midtown is also upset with this because they hire extra police to patrol the neighborhood. The Constables are one of the biggest chunks of the budget. Problem is that the increased non-profit presence requires more Constable and HPD patrols, yet the non-profits are not paying taxes to support those extra patrols. That's why I said earlier in another thread that non-profits like the San Jose Clinic are fine when they maintain their property and have the place secure. The problem is when they allow loitering and do nothing to be a good neighbor by tolerating loitering, trash, drug dealing, etc.

Exactly. This is why I keep saying they should move the charities out to Katy, Woodlands, Sugarland, etc. We do not want them here. Perhaps if we all simply stopped giving to charities... they will pack up and leave.

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The question is, why would they buy expensive land in Midtown when they can buy cheaper land elsewhere? I think the answer is, the light rail. Every time I've used the light rail downtown, it's nothing more than a transportation system for vagrants who don't pay. There are very few professionals who ride it from midtown to downtown. The light rail is also right next to the Greyhound Station. Because of this, the area around Main will always be dangerous and loaded with vagrants.

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It's a free market. Outbid the charities and buy the land and put up more cheesy townhomes.

What's really funny is about 20 years ago, the only people in Midtown were the homeless and the charities who took care of them. It was an unwanted wasteland that everybody quickly drove through to get to downtown. But then it became cool and hip and now the people that were living there (the homeless) are a problem.

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It's a free market. Outbid the charities and buy the land and put up more cheesy townhomes.

What's really funny is about 20 years ago, the only people in Midtown were the homeless and the charities who took care of them. It was an unwanted wasteland that everybody quickly drove through to get to downtown. But then it became cool and hip and now the people that were living there (the homeless) are a problem.

They were always a problem. The thing is, now they are "in your face" and tend to get in the way. Relocate.

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After reading the article, I think we should all calm down. From this distribution center, Meals on Wheels will deliver meals to home bound needy people. It's not like they will be passing out food to bums walking around on the street. Also, the building looks nice and will improve the aesthetics of the block.

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I feel bad for those who bought property near there. It's kind if sad that Midtown is the only pedestrian friendly urban neighborhood but is also the most most homeless friendly neighborhood.

Well, since homeless are so often pedestrians, it actually makes perfect sense.

The question is, why would they buy expensive land in Midtown when they can buy cheaper land elsewhere? I think the answer is, the light rail. Every time I've used the light rail downtown, it's nothing more than a transportation system for vagrants who don't pay. There are very few professionals who ride it from midtown to downtown. The light rail is also right next to the Greyhound Station. Because of this, the area around Main will always be dangerous and loaded with vagrants.

As an almost daily user of the light rail for the past several years, I can tell you it absolutely isn't true. Vagrants not paying may exist, but they are not even close to the majority (much less the sole users of the system, as you allege). You might see one or two per ride, while the others are people going to work, the hospital, Rice University, or the park and ride.

You're right about one thing, though: Homeless charities understand that their best place to locate to help the homeless is where all the transit systems that they might use meet: Rail, city buses (Downtown Transit Center), outbound buses to other cities, and international buses.

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After reading the article, I think we should all calm down. From this distribution center, Meals on Wheels will deliver meals to home bound needy people. It's not like they will be passing out food to bums walking around on the street. Also, the building looks nice and will improve the aesthetics of the block.

I agree, also are their corporate offices in Montrose currently home to bums walking all over the place or is it simply just that, corporate offices?

I don't know the answer and I am curious, if anyone lives by the current IM offices let us know what you think.

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The question is, why would they buy expensive land in Midtown when they can buy cheaper land elsewhere? I think the answer is, the light rail. Every time I've used the light rail downtown, it's nothing more than a transportation system for vagrants who don't pay. There are very few professionals who ride it from midtown to downtown. The light rail is also right next to the Greyhound Station. Because of this, the area around Main will always be dangerous and loaded with vagrants.

When the "always behind on their taxes" organization known as Cloudbreak was attempting to convert the old Days Inn property on Main to an SRO for homeless vets only (at the time) local community members contacted Metro as this was across from their Wheeler station. Metro passed on weighing in on it. It turns out that one of the people behind the Houston end of the project was married to the then Metro CEO's daughter and had skin in the game to put it lightly. This same person is now running for the Harris County Constable Precinct 1 seat. This person is Alan Rosen.

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IM in Montrose has vagrants and drug heads all around it. This could also be because of the halfway houses near IM. Most folks with homes in the area will tell you they want IM and the halfway houses out for this reason (in fact people with homes fairly far away from IM still want them gone because the nomads will roam to steal).

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IM in Montrose has vagrants and drug heads all around it. This could also be because of the halfway houses near IM. Most folks with homes in the area will tell you they want IM and the halfway houses out for this reason (in fact people with homes fairly far away from IM still want them gone because the nomads will roam to steal).

great... i'm hoping it's because of the halfway houses...

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I call Midtown "Social Work Alley" ( from 1-45 to museum district along San Jac, Fannin, Main and Caroline)...pretty much anything East of light rail is SOCIAL WORK ALLEY...fantastic bars...but the male prostitutes ruin the area! No people, they are not just walking or waiting for the bus...make eye contact and they will show you their junk. Great house, great neighbors, great location. But you do get tired of the vagrants real fast....daily i question if I made a mistake about buying in the area....I don't know anything about IM but i hope its not another place where vagrants hang out like lord of the streets, greyhound, pace setters, search, baldwin park...etc

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I call Midtown "Social Work Alley" ( from 1-45 to museum district along San Jac, Fannin, Main and Caroline)...pretty much anything East of light rail is SOCIAL WORK ALLEY...fantastic bars...but the male prostitutes ruin the area! No people, they are not just walking or waiting for the bus...make eye contact and they will show you their junk. Great house, great neighbors, great location. But you do get tired of the vagrants real fast....daily i question if I made a mistake about buying in the area....I don't know anything about IM but i hope its not another place where vagrants hang out like lord of the streets, greyhound, pace setters, search, baldwin park...etc

Good luck. IM is yet another place where vagrants are going to hang out like lord of the streets. As I mentioned in another thread around here... it boggles my mind when people donate to these charities.

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I call Midtown "Social Work Alley" ( from 1-45 to museum district along San Jac, Fannin, Main and Caroline)...pretty much anything East of light rail is SOCIAL WORK ALLEY...fantastic bars...but the male prostitutes ruin the area! No people, they are not just walking or waiting for the bus...make eye contact and they will show you their junk. Great house, great neighbors, great location. But you do get tired of the vagrants real fast....daily i question if I made a mistake about buying in the area....I don't know anything about IM but i hope its not another place where vagrants hang out like lord of the streets, greyhound, pace setters, search, baldwin park...etc

Pretty much the reason I left. I purchased in 2000, and I figure I must have made at least one call per day to HPD, Precinct 5, or Metro PD for the next 12 years. Adjusting for vacation and a few severe weather days that's over 4000 calls for the aforementioned issues and they (MMD, Tirz, CoH) continue to keep their heads in the sand about this. But don't ever complain to the MMD, they don't really want to hear it, much too busy building parks the homeless will enjoy.

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They were always a problem. The thing is, now they are "in your face" and tend to get in the way. Relocate.

How are they going to relocate when that is where they are from?

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I agree with above about the parks. The Superblock park looks like homeless paradise. I doubt there are going to be families with their kids dipping their toes in those miniature pools like they show in the pictures. A homeless guy passed out with a 40 in a paper bag is a more realistic vision.

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How are they going to relocate when that is where they are from?

They are NOT from midtown. They weren't born there. They likely werent raised there. That's just where they hang out. All day. Drinking and smoking and harrassing others and panhandling and urinating on peoples' lawns and breaking into vehicles and stealing trees and puking on the sidewalk and being an eyesore. I'm sure most of the residents there wish they would just get lost. For good.

If they walk around all day looking for mischief.... why can they not just keep walking? Preferably west.

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They are NOT from midtown. They weren't born there. They likely werent raised there. That's just where they hang out. All day. Drinking and smoking and harrassing others and panhandling and urinating on peoples' lawns and breaking into vehicles and stealing trees and puking on the sidewalk and being an eyesore. I'm sure most of the residents there wish they would just get lost. For good.

If they walk around all day looking for mischief.... why can they not just keep walking? Preferably west.

Were you born in midtown? Were you raised in midtown?

They were there in the 70's-early 90's when the place was dead and nobody wanted anything to do with it. Old abandoned (very cool-looking) houses. Broken streets. No cute train. Only thing around there was the Sears store, a Fiesta which I used to shop at when I went to college and fire-sale stores.

Why do you think large parts of midtown in the 70's became Little Vietnam? Because it was cheap real estate and nobody cared when the Vietnamese refugees bought it. They could afford it, and stick together and be generally left alone. Everybody was happy because nobody else wanted the property back then (except the bums). It wasn't until much later that people figured out that the Vietnamese could cook pretty good and it became a cool to go get your bacon-flavored pho.

Oops. Wrong thread. :P

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I read it. And my point is you moved into a neighborhood with known problems and now want to foist those problems onto somebody else because they make you uncomfortable. But were you forced at gunpoint to move to Midtown? :o

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Correct. We moved here. My point is that there is no reason the neighborhood cannot... should not change. Numerous neighborhoods in countless cities have undergone transformations. Some for the worse and some for the better. Why can we not change this area for the better? For what reason should we let this sort of irresponsible citizenry (Interfaith Ministries) continue? Sure, they have every right to set up shop anywhere they can purchase the land and we have every incentive to get them out of our neighborhood.

There is no reason midtown should continue to be a prime radiant for the homeless or their supporting cast (IM). We simply want them out. People babble on and on about how charities should locate to where their is a central core of public transportation. I say nonsense. It's not like the homeless have the funds to simply get on the bus. And besides. Where the heck would they go to? The mall? Please. The bottom line is that nobody wants them here. Period.

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Honestly I think a good portion of the problem is that HPD pales in comparison to Austin, Dallas, Phoenix, etc PD. There are issues, some serious in Austin, but I have never experienced the "why are you wasting my time with this" attitude the I get from HPD. We do have some good officers in Houston, and when I do find them and talk to them I find that they are usually working towards a different career. (law school is usually what I hear the most)

The other problem is that spineless leaders have been so bullied by homeless groups that they're afraid to act. So these leaders sit stunned and try to convince everyone that not asking the homeless to leave is the same as being compassionate. Now if you happen to object and suggest the homeless move elsewhere they say "well you oppose having your taxes raised to house them" Damn straight I oppose it! I don't go to work to pay for someone else's home. "But they just need to get back on their feet" Yeah, and the first thing they do when back on their feet is look for a place to sit.

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To be a bit more clear. My orginal post main point is that Social Work Alley is on the East side of the light rail. Yes, midtown has changed over the years in great ways. It just seems that the west side is getting all the love (Glorias, Alamo Draft Theatres, and a new greek place just to name a few) and the east side gets more social services and that simply just SUCKS! WITH the exception of Mongoose Vs. Cobra as of recent. Clearly, i'm on the wrong side of the tracks.LOL. I'm not at all aware of what is in the pipeline for the East side of midtown besides IM (which feels more like Midtown is going in the wrong direction) and Camden Atps, and some other apts to be built off Webster. Hope any project adds even a small amount of glamour.

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I never argued about where to put any charities. I do know that one of the prevailing themes of HAIF is that Houston should become a more walkable city, and that's why Midtown is so wonderful and all, with the rail and all it's new developments is because it's one of the more walkable hoods in Houston. Maybe that's one reason it's so "sticky" for the homeless. Seeing as it was mentioned above that they can't even afford mass transit - maybe they need a walkable neighborhood also. So by creating the desired perfect neighborhood for yourself - your also creating the perfect environment for them.

It was mentioned shipping them out to Katy or somewhere - but it's pretty much universally agreed on here that the burbs are not especially walkable - I think they would end up eventually migrating back to your lovely pedestrian friendly area. Y'all have just made it too darn attractive for them.

In all seriousness - I think the charities and accompanying homeless will over time be driven out as the $$ continue to come in.

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Honestly I think a good portion of the problem is that HPD pales in comparison to Austin, Dallas, Phoenix, etc PD. There are issues, some serious in Austin, but I have never experienced the "why are you wasting my time with this" attitude the I get from HPD. We do have some good officers in Houston, and when I do find them and talk to them I find that they are usually working towards a different career. (law school is usually what I hear the most)

The other problem is that spineless leaders have been so bullied by homeless groups that they're afraid to act. So these leaders sit stunned and try to convince everyone that not asking the homeless to leave is the same as being compassionate. Now if you happen to object and suggest the homeless move elsewhere they say "well you oppose having your taxes raised to house them" Damn straight I oppose it! I don't go to work to pay for someone else's home. "But they just need to get back on their feet" Yeah, and the first thing they do when back on their feet is look for a place to sit.

But, but, but - isn't HPD the department that throws Hispanics into bayous? And arrests mouthy sign-holders for no reason? You're telling me they're afraid of a couple of homeless groups?

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But, but, but - isn't HPD the department that throws Hispanics into bayous? And arrests mouthy sign-holders for no reason? You're telling me they're afraid of a couple of homeless groups?

Like any other job in the world when your boss has weak knees you know he or she may not always have your back depending on the issue and resulting media attention.

Because of law enforcement apathy, pressure from homeless groups, and Houstons economy, we have become a sanctuary city for the homeless.

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Is this based upon real numbers or just observation of the Midtown neighborhood?

Because of the downturn in the economy in the last few years, homelessness has gone up nationwide. That doesn't equate to Houston being a santuary city for the homeless.

If you want to see what a real homeless sanctuary city looks like - go to San Diego. Downtown, Gas Lamp District, whole place is full of homeless. Every corner has someone sleeping and you will trip over them if you are not paying attention. The reason is the climate. They will never freeze there.

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Is this based upon real numbers or just observation of the Midtown neighborhood?

Because of the downturn in the economy in the last few years, homelessness has gone up nationwide. That doesn't equate to Houston being a santuary city for the homeless.

Houston has had a net positive influx from other cities and it is growing faster based on the poor economy. The personal observation is the number of cars with out of state plates parked outside of places like Pacesetters, and the various bunkhouses in Midtown.

If you want to see what a real homeless sanctuary city looks like - go to San Diego.

The reason is the climate. They will never freeze there.

Same here. No one is going to freeze in this city. If the forecast even gets close to 32F you know it's going to be the Channel 2 BIG STORY featuring the usual shots of blanket loading, command centers, sand checks, and over the top pleas to stay off the freeways!

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Dont forget the various check points, soup kitchen runs, blanket donation centres, and ppl making a run for ammo.

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Correct. We moved here. My point is that there is no reason the neighborhood cannot... should not change.

You should just move out, preferably West.

After all, isn't that what you say they should do?

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A bank teller told me that they would remain there for about a year.

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A bank teller told me that they would remain there for about a year.

The bank would remain there for a year or the homeless would remain there for a year?

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The bank would remain there for a year or the homeless would remain there for a year?

I belive the correct term in a high-density environment like Midtown is: "Townhomeless"

"Midriseless" is also appropriate.

Downtown prefers the term "Loftless" to call attention to its historic buildings.

In Upper Kirby and the Galleria the term is "Highriseless", "Condoless", or "Penthouseless"

In the HAHC controlled sections of the Heights, you must first present your idea of what you feel your home should look like before you can call yourself homeless.

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I wonder if anyone from IM reads these forums...it would be nice to find out what they are feeling? Especially, seeing how much IM is not wanted in midtown. I think what is not wanted are more vagrants out-and-about. Perhaps if its really just a corp office and the plans are NOT to have lines of people waiting for food or appointments then it really wouldn't cause a fuss. But if they are then I can understand why its not welcomed with open arms.

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I wonder if anyone from IM reads these forums...it would be nice to find out what they are feeling? Especially, seeing how much IM is not wanted in midtown.

Most don't really care how the surrounding communities feel about their operations. Those that do engage do so only for the purpose of identifying the key "trouble makers". Any sort of compromise will consist of "we'll take it under advisement", "we'll look into it", or a volunteer commitment to the community they have no plans on keeping. Cloudbreak had promised Midtown 80 hours of volunteer work a month from its residents at the Days Inn. I guess they must count all the panhandling that occurs outside their location as part of that 80 hours.

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This is one of my points. IM and their ilk do not care about the community in which they insert themselves. The people who work there come from Katy and other far flung places to midtown only to wreak havoc.

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This is one of my points. IM and their ilk do not care about the community in which they insert themselves. The people who work there come from Katy and other far flung places to midtown only to wreak havoc.

Yup, they come in, do "G_d's work" then leave. What cracks me up is that all of these groups are so focused on hunger, when it's conflict resolution skills/needs that really need to be taught/met.

That being said, even though I lived near the squalor I was opposed to the city feeding ordinance. While I hated to see the trash and the clueless volunteers contributing to it I was opposed to giving the city the power to further regulate who can and who cannot feed the "homeless". The city has existing laws they choose not to enforce. Make do with those before you ask for even more power.

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Just to add to this dialogue. My townhome near Bremond and Helena was broken onto over the weekend while my girlfriend and I were sleeping. They took a bunch of stuff but thankfully we are ok. I have an alarm system but it wasn't turned on. My girlfriend's car has been broken into twice over the past two years as well.

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