Park Place | River Oaks: Mixed-Use Development At Westheimer Rd. & Mid Ln.

[Purdueenginerd]

I like... Just wish they covered that parking garage with a faux facade or something.

 

Other than that, looks nice!

[Houston?]

When is construction going to start?

[Urbannizer]

[SkylineView]

It looks like equipment is working on the back part of the site... the part away from Westheimer that does not have buildings on it.

[cloud713]

yep, i drove by yesterday to check it out. theyve got the whole site in the back fenced off and lots of machinery out there. i guess they are starting with the apartments Urbannizer linked first. do the owners of Mid Lane own the businesses/properties along Westheimer yet? if so how long until the leases are up for those tenants and they clear out?

nevermind, just noticed the owners pieced together all of the properties in the development a year ago.. so now that thats answered. how long until the tenants have to get out?

Edited January 4, 2014 by cloud713

[SkylineView]

Pretty intense amount of development along that stretch of Westheimer.  Just about the entire north side between the tracks and 610.

[cloud713]

agreed. which is why i think that stretch of Westheimer could use a streetcar. from Highland Village (or Central Market) to the Galleria.. the developments arent connected very well and they are just far enough apart that people arent going to want to walk from one to another carrying a bunch of shopping bags.

[ChrisPHous]

agreed. which is why i think that stretch of Westheimer could use a streetcar. from Highland Village (or Central Market) to the Galleria.. the developments arent connected very well and they are just far enough apart that people arent going to want to walk from one to another carrying a bunch of shopping bags.

 

This is the unfortunate thing.

 

Also shows how much development style has an effect on people.  Central Market to Sage is how far?  Maybe 1 mile?  This is not very far to walk...at all.

[cloud713]

This is the unfortunate thing.

Also shows how much development style has an effect on people. Central Market to Sage is how far? Maybe 1 mile? This is not very far to walk...at all.

Maybe the city can improve the connectivity with better sidewalks and landscaping between the developments? I still think the people many of these shops cater to aren't going to want to walk a mile and a half down the street while carrying shopping bags filled with hundreds of dollars worth of goods. Especially in the Texas heat or when it's raining/any time the weather sucks. Though I completely agree with you that central market to sage (a mile and a half) isn't that far to walk on a nice day. I just think a street car/trolley service along the route would improve connectivity between the developments and be more appealing than walking or hoping in your car and driving down the street. Edited January 5, 2014 by cloud713

[Triton]

Driving down Westheimer in this area on Friday and Saturday, they are going to have to expand the road in this part or something. Westheimer simply can't handle all this development in this section. Traffic comes to a snails pace... Just watch Google maps traffic throughout the day and you'll see that this area will be mostly red to dark red.

[cloud713]

Driving down Westheimer in this area on Friday and Saturday, they are going to have to expand the road in this part or something. Westheimer simply can't handle all this development in this section. Traffic comes to a snails pace... Just watch Google maps traffic throughout the day and you'll see that this area will be mostly red to dark red.

agreed, but i see them being able to get one more lane out of that stretch max without completely eliminating the sidewalks or taking out part of peoples back yards. which is why i think a streetcar would make sense. it serves the local traffic, and could go in the new ROW and be seperated from vehicular traffic.

[Nucleareaction]

agreed, but i see them being able to get one more lane out of that stretch max without completely eliminating the sidewalks or taking out part of peoples back yards. which is why i think a streetcar would make sense. it serves the local traffic, and could go in the new ROW and be seperated from vehicular traffic.

 

Driving along this specific section of Westheimer today, there is ZERO room for the existing sidewalk on the east-bound lanes. They are pinched between brick walls and the street as is. Unless they can push the west-bound lanes over, I don't see much room for anything. Past the railway, yes, but not on the Galleria side.

 

By the way.... No railway bridge with all of this added density? This area is going to be a no-go for a loooong time.

[mfastx]

Westheimer inside the loop has so much traffic and so little room the only way you are going to put transit in a non-obstructing manner would be a subway.  Would be a terrific idea, but awfully expensive.  

 

I hope that when the time comes to completely reconstruct Westheimer in that area (probably within ten years) that the city and METRO at least discuss the idea of running subway tunnels underneath at the same time. 

[cloud713]

A subway would be amazing, but yes incredibly expensive and it seems like they would opt for a subway line along Post Oak or Main before westheimer.. I hope they at least consider it though.

Another idea I had was a streetcar line starting at San Felipe/west creek, going south on west creek, through the new westcreek development before turning east on Bettis Dr, running along the back side of River Oaks District and Mid Lane before turning south down the rail road tracks on the east side of Mid Lane, terminating at Highland Village. It wouldn't do anything about connectivity to the galleria, but it would interlink those 4 developments at least.

I suppose you could even have it turn west (on the north side of the line at west creek) down San Felipe over to BLVD place, connecting into the uptown BRT/future LRT line, which could then get you to the galleria..

And I completely agree the railroad crossing at Westheimer needs an underpass...

Edit.. The more I think about the streetcar idea from blvd place to highland village the more I like it.. What do you guys think?

Edited January 5, 2014 by cloud713

[por favor gracias]

I like the streetcar idea on the back streets, but not necessarily on a road like San Felipe around 610...at least any time near rush hour. Even if it takes cars off the road, I don't like the idea of larger vehicles on highly-congested streets. It would probably be better than not having them, but I would prefer mass transit to not be on street-level or have any interaction at all with the existing cluster___ that is our road and stop light system. I don't think as many people would use a streetcar as opposed to a train in general (wouldn't have to sit in traffic), but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of that being a big hit over there if it happened.

 

Not all subways are expensive to build. Several of them have been built around the world recently in Dubai, Vancouver, Seoul, Mexico City, Bangalore, Helsinki and Barcelona for much less than $200 million per mile...and a few of them near or below $100 million per mile. The Barcelona Sants-La Sagrera tunnel, completed in 2011, costed about $63 million per mile.

 

At $100 million per mile, we could put subways all over Houston...from Hobby Airport to the Astrodome/med center area, and then up Main St. through Hermann Park/Rice University, Midtown, Downtown, and up to Greenspoint, IAH and The Woodlands with main stations in keys places Downtown, Midtown and the med center where other trains can connect people to destinations like Greenway Plaza, the Galleria area, the Westheimer Corridor, Westchase, the Enclave Pkwy/Energy Corridor area, the City Centre/Memorial City area, then back through the north side of the Galleria area through Memorial Park, Allen Pkwy and back into downtown again and then perhaps back down south to U of H and back to Hobby Airport...for about the same amount of money that went into 3 or 4 Katy Freeway expansions (and that doesn't include the cost of time and money wasted sitting in traffic during the construction process or the fact that we have to pay for our own automobiles, gas, tolls, insurance, repairs, maintenance, etc.). It would then be well worth it to add a few more connectors, moving walkways and/or streetcars up and down Post Oak, the West Belt between Westchase and City Centre, and somewhere inside the loop around Kirby, Shepherd and/or Montrose.

 

That would provide viable alternatives and change the quality of life (and hopefully development patterns) in Houston "forever."

[cloud713]

I like the streetcar idea on the back streets, but not necessarily on a road like San Felipe around 610...at least any time near rush hour. Even if it takes cars off the road, I don't like the idea of larger vehicles on highly-congested streets. It would probably be better than not having them, but I would prefer mass transit to not be on street-level or have any interaction at all with the existing cluster___ that is our road and stop light system. I don't think as many people would use a streetcar as opposed to a train in general (wouldn't have to sit in traffic), but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of that being a big hit over there if it happened.

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At $100 million per mile, we could put subways all over Houston...from Hobby Airport to the Astrodome/med center area, and then up Main St. through Hermann Park/Rice University, Midtown, Downtown, and up to Greenspoint, IAH and The Woodlands with main stations in keys places Downtown, Midtown and the med center where other trains can connect people to destinations like Greenway Plaza, the Galleria area, the Westheimer Corridor, Westchase, the Enclave Pkwy/Energy Corridor area, the City Centre/Memorial City area, then back through the north side of the Galleria area through Memorial Park, Allen Pkwy and back into downtown again and then perhaps back down south to U of H and back to Hobby Airport...for about the same amount of money that went into 3 or 4 Katy Freeway expansions (and that doesn't include the cost of time and money wasted sitting in traffic during the construction process or the fact that we have to pay for our own automobiles, gas, tolls, insurance, repairs, maintenance, etc.). It would then be well worth it to add a few more connectors, moving walkways and/or streetcars up and down Post Oak, the West Belt between Westchase and City Centre, and somewhere inside the loop around Kirby, Shepherd and/or Montrose.

That would provide viable alternatives and change the quality of life (and hopefully development patterns) in Houston "forever."

While I agree that mass transit on traffic lanes is no bueno, there is currently a median on San Felipe between Westcreek and Post Oak (and beyond) that the streetcar could run down. Or preferably they reconfigure the street so that the traffic lanes are moved over into the median and they can run the streetcar down its own ROW on the south side of San Felipe, without interfering with traffic and without dumping people off into the middle of a busy street like a streetcar in the median would be forced to do.

And if needed, San Felipe seems like it has more room for additional ROW expansion then Westheimer.

Holy ****, if only we had half of what you just described... I've had similar fantasies and even gone so far as to draw out streetcar systems all over town. I think another area that could use being served by a light rail/streetcar/subway route you could add to your list would be I-10 between grand parkway and beltway, to serve the energy corridor.

Unfortunately 100 million a mile is about how much light rail cost.. And you've seen how much rail we've been able to built at that cost/with our politics. They might as well of built Main st as a subway line, at least through downtown, at that cost.. Which makes me wonder why the hell they didn't... But I get that you meant instead of rebuilding Katy freeway 3-4 times, using the 10 billion or so dollars saved on subways. Too bad we are so caught up in highways. Maybe that will change after this go round of highway expansions when they realize they can't keep expanding ROW.

[por favor gracias]

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat, no doubt. I would love to see both trains and streetcars in Uptown. I think it would be best to reconfigure San Felipe for the scenario you laid out. It pisses me off to no end that they took the center lane away from San Felipe just west of South Post Oak Lane and replaced what used to be room for automobiles to turn left onto South Post Oak Lane (northbound) from San Felipe (eastbound) with a few trees and landscaping. Although it looks very nice, I couldn't help but think "they know damn well what they're doing." Now, that turn lane only allows room for 8 or 10 cars (if that) and San Felipe is now routinely backed up to Randalls and beyond because of it.

 

You're right about the lack of rail in this town, and that has everything to do with local money and politics. It seems like almost every decision that is made as far as transportation is concerned in this town is all about "looking nice and productive," but actually being inefficient and we end up consuming more gas and/or using toll roads. And don't get me started on our construction practices...

[htownproud]

I would love to have subways, but I think it will never happen.  I think the easier, quicker, and cheaper fix is to make Richmond, San Felipe, and Westheimer one way.  

[Optimist]

West In, Westin - (Westheimer INSIDE the loop)

[BaderJF]

 

 

[citykid09]

Wouldn't this look nice where Grand Lux is across from the Galleria.

[cloud713]

Wouldn't this look nice where Grand Lux is across from the Galleria.

Agreed a large mixed use development on that corner of westheimer and post oak would be awesome. As well as the corner across post oak with the gallery furniture shopping center. Someday in the future when the market warrants it...

[Montrose1100]

Agreed a large mixed use development on that corner of westheimer and post oak would be awesome. As well as the corner across post oak with the gallery furniture shopping center. Someday in the future when the market warrants it...

I bet in our lifetime Post Oak Blvd. will become an Urban Canyon of high-rises and mixed-use development, both sides, from 610 to 59.

[j_cuevas713]

So this has already started?

[cloud713]

Yes

[Houston?]

We need construction pics! lol

[Urbannizer]

[Sky-guy]

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Edited January 8, 2014 by Sky-guy

[swtsig]

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seriously??? i think that looks terrific, particualrly for the area. love the way they are coming right up to midlane with curbside parking.

 

just goes to show you can't please everyone.

[citykid09]

VERY NICE! I like it when companies announce something and begin construction right away. I hate it when they announce something and then delay it, then cancel it.