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Dear Resident:

We feel that you should be informed of an incident that occurred on Valentine Street. Specifically, a resident reports that, as he was parking his car outside building A on Valentine Street around 11:25 p.m. last night, he was approached by 6 men described as African-American in a white Chevrolet Impala. According to the resident, the men accused the resident of having hit their car. One of the men held a handgun and requested the resident's wallet and iPhone. The Houston Police Department is investigating the incident.

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where's Building A? Not that Valentine is that big, but just wondering if this was up closer to Dallas, or down near Gray.

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I wonder why a resident would be parking on the street, and especially at that time of night on a weeknight, and especially on that street, which is away from the action. Once Coco's closes that area has a lot less people around. Layal and Front Porch are still open but their crowds vary by the night. That little stretch there is basically abandoned.

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Many apartment buildings only give you one or two parking spaces in the garage, right? Is that the case at Post Midtown?

Anyway, I don't think 11:25 is that late. I've parked over there to go to Front Porch Pub at that hour before.

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I was walking back to that building around 11:30 that night from Blackfinn and there were still plenty of people out walking around. Valentine St is pretty dark and behind all of the action like someone mentioned above. Maybe once phase 3 is complete, that street will see more action with the new retail that will come.

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It appears the complex has hired security now. That's more a deterrent than anything; what is one lanky security guard going to do against six thugs?

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So this was around that little neighborhood back there? Freeman's Town?

Yes, Freedman's Town. By West Gray.

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It appears the complex has hired security now. That's more a deterrent than anything; what is one lanky security guard going to do against six thugs?

The guard is for the apartment owner's safety, not the tenants'.

It's just the management company making a show of things. If this sort of thing were to happen again (which it will by virtue of its location) and management had not provided notice to you and upgraded their security presence in some form or fashion, then the victim may have a good case against the apartment operator for negligence. When a suit of this nature is victorious, damages can come in at utterly ridiculous amounts--tens of millions of dollars. And yes, even if the tenants should've known that their neighborhood was unsafe, the landlord is still exposed to this risk. There's no accounting for incompetence on either side, only for the landlord's 'reasonable' efforts to stem a known problem.

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Based on my experience everything is done for the sake of show. When a group of significant power thinks the real issue can be resolved by hiring a PR firm rather than more officers then you know that the perception that the area is safe is more important than actually going after the intrenched criminal problems.

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Having a real HPD officer would be more reassuring

If you want to be more assured of your safety then move out of the 'hood, Slick. No matter their badge looks like, a guard can only be in one place at any given time.

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Niche I know you don't necessarily believe in this liability, but where did this notion develop that a private property owner has a duty to prevent crime in a public street abutting the property? Looks like judges need to be quicker to dismiss, and juries to get real, otherwise a lot of folks here (yes you gentle reader) could be on the hook for what goes on in front of their cribs.

I can't afford CC cams, never mind a guard. I guess I'll just have to post signs on the sidewalk that say: "WARNING CITIZEN: THIS IS A DANGEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD/ STREET. YOU MAY BE ROBBED, ABDUCTED, RAPED, TORTURED, AND/ OR MURDERED."

Will that do to reduce liability?

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Anybody can be sued for anything, but someone with a large non-homesteaded asset is especially likely to be a target. And who wants to be the unfortunate defendant to set a precedent by losing their case? Nobody, that's who. Settlements are expensive, too, and so if marginally effective means of deterring crime might be more effective at deterring legal frivolity, then that's what's going to happen.

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It was one robbery, not one per day. I was robbed in the middle of Rice Village, and it survived. Of course, that was back before the internet existed to blow things out of proportion. A quick glance at HPD's crime stats shows that this appears to be the 5th robbery in that area this year. For comparison, the White Oak/Studewood restaurant row has had 6. Montrose Blvd. has about twice as many robberies as both of these areas.

It is not the end of the world.

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It was one robbery, not one per day. I was robbed in the middle of Rice Village, and it survived. Of course, that was back before the internet existed to blow things out of proportion. A quick glance at HPD's crime stats shows that this appears to be the 5th robbery in that area this year. For comparison, the White Oak/Studewood restaurant row has had 6. Montrose Blvd. has about twice as many robberies as both of these areas.

It is not the end of the world.

Actually, it is the end of the world for white people and attractive Asian women under the age of 35. And that's the only thing that actually matters in life. Or weren't you aware of that?

Seriously though, I think that the rate at which crime is reported has a lot to do with ethnicity (a given), that people don't think of Montrose or the Heights as being as shady as they are and therefore are less cautious or outright avoidant of the area, and that when a crime does occur in a 'safe' area, there is a sense of indignant outrage...whereas if someone gets mugged in 4th Ward, that's expected to be pretty much par for the course. So yeah, I don't trust the crime stats as a predictive indicator of whether any given pedestrian walking 500 feet through a neighborhood is likely to be a victim of violent crime.

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Further proof that people need to arm themselves against this urban street trash...

Agreed. And we need more affordable options for shotgun pistols.

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You'll need to start with making them legal.

Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses,

(3) a short-barrel firearm;

(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel

length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length

of less than 26 inches.

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I was walking around midtown Frday, not exactly the area where this occured, closer to the Greyhound station. I was amazed at the blatant drug dealing at 9:00am with cops less than a block away. Serisouly the cops were on the same street while a guy was selling drugs to some women in a car.

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I was walking around midtown Frday, not exactly the area where this occured, closer to the Greyhound station. I was amazed at the blatant drug dealing at 9:00am with cops less than a block away. Serisouly the cops were on the same street while a guy was selling drugs to some women in a car.

HPD is pathetic in that regard. Despite the blatant activity around Greyhound, I would routinely see 3+ officers running a speed trap on West Gray down the road. They were sure eager to write tickets to people in BMW's and Mercedes... yet ignore drug dealing and prostitution near the station.

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i walk from Taft down W Gray to midtown every other weekend or so, sometimes pretty late. I usually see other people about close to each end but there is definitely a void in the middle.

I'm glad Carnegie is going up to add some lighting to this stretch. Now we just need some of those empty lots to fill up with restaurants/bars or retail.

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Further proof that people need to arm themselves against this urban street trash...

I prefer the term "Replicants".

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I prefer the term "Replicants".

Replicants look like (80's) Daryl Hannah and don't ask for change. They will however ask you for clove cigarettes at Numbers on Friday evenings.

The proper term is zombies.

I'm a little disappointed that we have not heard about someone in Midtown trying bath salts, stripping, and then attempting to eat alive that chicken that hangs out near NTB. I guess even our local Zombies can't compete at the national level.

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Red you know very well that The Taurus Judge and The S&W Governor are not SBSs. Otherwise they wouldn't be unloading them by the wagonload at the GRB every other weekend. BTW I've tried them for skeet and couldn't hit anything.

"You'll need to start with making them legal."

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Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses,

(3) a short-barrel firearm;

(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel

length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length

of less than 26 inches.

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You'll need to start with making them legal.

They already are. I believe that the distinction is that these are considered pistols that are chambered to fire shotgun shells, not rifles or shotguns that have been modified with a barrel length that would never pass muster legally on a longarm.

Taurus offers a wide variety of pistols chambered for .410 shotshells as well as .45 pistol rounds:

http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41

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I was walking around midtown Frday, not exactly the area where this occured, closer to the Greyhound station. I was amazed at the blatant drug dealing at 9:00am with cops less than a block away. Serisouly the cops were on the same street while a guy was selling drugs to some women in a car.

Bet if you were to hold up a sign warning the drug dealers of the police nearby than you would get arrested.

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Mklultra25 and Niche are both correct. These guns are not illegal. You can buy them, usually special order, from any number of legitimate gun shops. I had thought about getting one, but I never figured I would ever have an occasion to carry one....why not?

Well - its illegal to have a gun, even a conceal carry one, in a place that makes more than 51% of their income on booze - IE a bar...and bars are the only place I go that I may have to walk any real distance from the establishment to my car that I have a high likelihood of being mugged because I can not carry....every other time/place, a small concealed carry 9mm is a better choice b/c I can hold substantially more rounds or pack a more intimidating punch....the last gun Im going to pick up would be a .410 pistol if someone is in the house....Ill take my pump shotgun all day/every day in those close quarters....if nothing else, the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round is enough to send 99% of the thugs and would be robbers running out the door....I will even choose my pump over my auto shotgun just for that sound.

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Red you know very well that The Taurus Judge and The S&W Governor are not SBSs. Otherwise they wouldn't be unloading them by the wagonload at the GRB every other weekend. BTW I've tried them for skeet and couldn't hit anything.

Actually, I did not know. I have never seen one before, and never had to decide whether to file charges on one before. While I find the sawed off shotgun rules antiquated, my gut instinct would be that these are shotguns. However, it appears that Texas uses the ATF's classification system as determinant of what a weapon is, and I am told that these are classified as handguns, not shotguns. I'll keep that in mind if I ever get a client charged with possessing one.

That said, these are pretty lame looking weapons. Marksmu called it. The racking of a pump shotgun is far more fearsome, and a handgun is more accurate than this piece of crap. If you need your ammo to act like a shotgun shell, use hollow points.

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if nothing else, the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round is enough to send 99% of the thugs and would be robbers running out the door....I will even choose my pump over my auto shotgun just for that sound.

Granted I don't have a lot of data points, but I've chased a person out of my house with a rubber mallet. It's more likely just an intimidating voice and a blunt object in your hand that gets them running. Then again, while a rubber mallet probably isn't going to do as much damage as a ball-pein hammer, a well placed blow with the rubber mallet would probably put someone on the ground either way.

Regardless, I imagine the same rules apply to rubber mallets and ball-pein hammers as concealed weapons in a bar, they just don't say as much on the door, cause who's going to walk into a bar with a carpentry belt strapped to their waist?

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When you walk those streets you need to do it with flair and confidence.

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