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I know, it's more frustration than anything. It's just so happens though that those two cities (and Mumbai/Auckland) are the cities that I have always dreamed of Houston serving, but they went to Dallas. And air China's route to Houston is one of the first routes to be profitable within the first month of operation in CA's history. Does TAM serve any Texas cities?

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No and they are leaving next year to "One World" because they merged with LAN.  The company name is LANTAM.  COPA is still a strong competitor In South America.  We also Have Avianca but Brazil will not give anymore landing slots.  They will take advantage of the World Cup and the Olympics.  IAH has a lot of more international traffic then DFW.  Then we will have two international airports on 2015. 

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American Airlines just announced reduced flights from JFK to LHR and will stat flying from DFW to PVG and HKG.  It will loose money because they do not have a partner in China.  Seems stupid and does not make sense.  I wish United did have that flight from IAH to AKL but with a population on 4 million people in New Zealand it does not make sense.  Houston is larger the whole country.  There will be new cities from IAH when they get more 787s next year.    

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American Airlines just announced reduced flights from JFK to LHR and will stat flying from DFW to PVG and HKG.  It will loose money because they do not have a partner in China.  Seems stupid and does not make sense.  I wish United did have that flight from IAH to AKL but with a population on 4 million people in New Zealand it does not make sense.  Houston is larger the whole country.  There will be new cities from IAH when they get more 787s next year.    

 

 

CX and KA are part of oneworld. China, therefore, is covered just fine. New Zealand was/is about connecting 2 large Star Alliance hubs.

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CX and KA, so when the fly from DFW when it lands in PVG or HKG.  How do they get to Shenzhen, Chongqing, Chengdu, Xi'an, Xiamen, Wuhan, Nanjing, Beijing, and so on.  They have go back to ICN or NRT to connect?  I went from Houston to Shenzhen via Beijing it was long but good service.  ANA is the leading airline in Japan, CX is having financial problems.  I'm staying with Star Alliance, it has the largest network.       

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Let's look at the current, or soon to be started international service at DFW vs. IAH:

 

Europe

DFW:  Amsterdam (KL), Paris (AA), London (AA, BA), Frankfurt (AA, LH), Madrid (AA)

IAH: Amsterdam (KL, UA), Paris (AF) London (UA, BA), Frankfurt (UA, LH), Moscow (SQ)

 

Middle East/Africa

DFW: Dubai (EK)

IAH: Dubai (EK), Doha (QR), Istanbul (UA), Lagos (UA)

 

Asia/South Pacific

DFW: Tokyo (2X/day, AA), Seoul (AA, KE), Brisbane, Sydney (QF), new: Shanghai (AA), Hong Kong (AA)

IAH: Tokyo (UA), Beijing (CA), Singapore (not a nonstop or that direct, but still same plane, SQ)

 

Deep Latin America:

DFW: Lima, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago (all AA)

IAH: Lima, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires (all UA)

 

Both hubs are still fairly well balanced in terms of intercontinental routes.  DFW has a slight Pacific advantage, while IAH has an Atlantic advantage.  With Qatar joining Oneworld, it wouldn't be surprising to see them also start DFW.  The alliance relationships AA and UA have with oneworld and star alliance will likely drive much of the future international growth at each airport beyond any large local traffic opportunities outside of alliance partnerships. 

 

It will be more interesting to see what happens with CLT if the AA-US merger goes through.  CLT has grown remarkably fast the past 10 years and is now even busier than IAH according to some stats.  It would currently be the 2nd largest hub airport after DFW in a merged AA.  CLT serves a smaller local market than DFW and IAH, but has the East Coast geographical advantage.  It already serves more European destinations than either IAH or DFW, and US recently announced 4 new seasonal destinations.  Per airliners.net, next summer the following cities will be served nonstop from CLT: Frankfurt, Munich, London, Paris, Rome, Madrid, Dublin, Brussels, Manchester, Lisbon, and Barcelona.  That's a rather impressive list considering US also serves Europe from PHL.  The geographical location is a good counter to DL in ATL, but like UA, AA has hubs in stronger local markets.  So it will be interesting to see how this will fit in a larger combined AA+US network, and if it gets pulled back (or stops growing) in favor of ORD, DFW, etc.

 

And of course, we will also have to see the impact of having Hobby open to international traffic.  Will competition stimulate demand and increase traffic at both IAH and HOU, or will it cause a fragmentation of traffic that grows the overall Houston metro market, but weakens IAH's individual position?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You did forget IAH to SAP, TGU, MGA, LIR, SJO, PTY, BOG, GCM, MBJ, KIN, UIO, POS, BON, SJU ZIH, ACA, HUX, TGZ, MID, VER, TAM, VER, MEX, PBC, OAH, GUA, BZE, CZM, MTY, SLW, TRC, DGO, PVR, SJD, CUU, TRC, AGU, BJX, SLP, GDL, MLM, ZLO.  You also forgot Air Canada to YYC, YYZ, YUL.

 

Since US Airways and American Airlines are making record profits the DOJ has a good case.  Or they will have to give up slots at DCA and JFK.  Why do they need a hub in JFK, PHL, LAX and PHX.   If the merger goes through PHL and PHX will be de hubed just like US Airways when they merged which America West and did it to LAS.

 

Talk about capacity.  Lufthansa flies the Airbus 388 from IAH.  And BA flies 2 747-400 from IAH and in DFW they are using 1 777 and a AA 777.    

 

When United Airlines gets 8 more 787 next year they will announce new cities.  United Airlines is the number 1 airline to Asia.  

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as noted by Metro this was expected

 

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/100012/qatar-to-launch-dallas-fort-worth-route

 

 

Qatar Airways will launch a daily service to Dallas/Fort Worth in July, its seventh US destination.

 

From July 1, flight QR733 will depart Doha at 0810 and arrive at Dallas/Fort Worth at 1615. Return service QR734 will take-off from Dallas/Fort Worth at 1935 and land in Doha at 1820 the following day.

Qatar will deploy a Boeing 777-200LR on the route. The aircraft features a two-class design with 42 business class lie-flat seats in a 2-2-2 configuration, while the 217 seats in economy are in a 3-3-3 layout.

 

Dallas/Fort Worth will be the Gulf carrier's second Texas destination — it already flies to Houston, as well as to New York, Washington DC and Chicago.

Qatar is also launching routes to Philadephia from April 2 and to Miami from June 10

 

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Let's look at the current, or soon to be started international service at DFW vs. IAH:

 

Europe

DFW:  Amsterdam (KL, seasonal only), Paris (AA), London (AA 3X/day, BA), Frankfurt (AA, LH), Madrid (AA)

IAH: Amsterdam (KL, UA), Paris (AF) London (UA 3X/day, BA2X/day), Frankfurt (UA, LH), Moscow (SQ), new:  Munich (UA)

 

Middle East/Africa

DFW: Dubai (EK), new: Doha (QR)

IAH: Dubai (EK), Doha (QR), Istanbul (UA), Lagos (UA)

 

Asia/South Pacific

DFW: Tokyo (2X/day, AA), Seoul (AA, KE), Brisban/Sydney (QF), new: Shanghai (AA), Hong Kong (AA)  (perhaps premature: Shanghai and Hong Kong flights are not certain.)

IAH: Tokyo (2X/day,UA), Beijing (CA), Singapore (not a nonstop or that direct, but still same plane, SQ)

 

Deep Latin America:

DFW: Lima, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago (all AA)

IAH: Lima, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires (all UA)

 

 

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Well, the 2nd daily to Tokyo on United already launched and the New UA IAH-MUC flight launches in 2 weeks, KE starts in less than a month. SAS in August. With Terminal D get a re-do. 3 more A380s reportedly in the way, 1 when the phase 1, Terminal C North phase is complete, 2 more when the renovation is finished.

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EK is bring a A380 to DFW and now Qantas will fly direct between Sydney and DFW both ways. The Melbourne and London A380 service was ended and the mix of 748 and A380 service to Hong Kong made this move possible.

 

@QantasAirways: News: We will now be offering the largest passenger aircraft on the world's longest route http://bit.ly/1jyKSnA  http://bit.ly/1siYTZr

 

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