jimcas Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 See page 5 of this marketing brochure. Some pretty interesting "proposed" tenants. Not sure how firm any of these may or may not be...http://www.newquest.com/Content/properties/297/centre_at_cypress.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmug Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Nice find. BJ's Restaurant is one of my favs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfootball Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 We liked to go to Z Tejas when we lived in Austin. Look forward to them coming here.It'd be nice if the developers work to keep some of those trees on the property. They have an opportunity to create a a nicely landscaped development with a good atmosphere. I really like the idea of a children's play area, similar to what they have at CityCentre. Zoes kitchen looks good as well. Great to see more interesting choices, would prefer to see an Elevation Burger though (not another Fudd's). Anyone at NewQuest out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No, (aside from that the last letters in the word "Center" are transposed) it won't be anything like CityCentre.Look at their site plan. Those restaurant pad sites reflect that the demographics surrounding that intersection are vastly inferior to the demographics that influence CityCentre. There is insufficient wealth. There is insufficient density. There is (and will be) an insufficient traffic count along the freeway. This is shadow retail, feeding from the traffic counts generated by anchor retailers at that intersection, and that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Yeah... plus their logo looks a lot like... Quizno's logo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfootball Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Niche / Professional Troll...whatever you are...do you just post crap without even reading it? Nobody said it would be like CityCentre, obviously that's a much larger development...there was a comment made that it was nice there would be a "children's play area" (an open play area similar to what they have at CityCentre).As for the 'vastly inferior' Demographics:Area Demographics CYPRESS (290 @ Skinner)2 Mile: $104,699 Avg HHI, 90.5% White, 17,372 population3 Mile: $103,173 Avg HHI, 89.7% White, 41,833 population5 Mile: $98,602 Avg HHI, 88.3% White, 133,066 population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Niche / Professional Troll...whatever you are...do you just post crap without even reading it? Nobody said it would be like CityCentre, obviously that's a much larger development...there was a comment made that it was nice there would be a "children's play area" (an open play area similar to what they have at CityCentre).Yeah, so just like I said. This won't be anything like CityCentre (short of that the sky will be blue and the dirt will be more or less brown).As for the 'vastly inferior' Demographics:Area Demographics CYPRESS (290 @ Skinner)2 Mile: $104,699 Avg HHI, 90.5% White, 17,372 population3 Mile: $103,173 Avg HHI, 89.7% White, 41,833 population5 Mile: $98,602 Avg HHI, 88.3% White, 133,066 populationYep, vastly inferior. Just as I said. Nobody cares what is the average income or the percent of the population that is white. What matters are the sheer number of persons fitting such a description within a competitive market area. And radii are a poor facsimile for a competitive market area for such completely different types of development. Honestly, I don't even know why this sliver of land merits a thread on HAIF, its so insignificant.If it seems that I am your troll, perhaps you should reconsider. I'm like flies on trash. Don't bother blaming the flies for their presence; blame he that generated the trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfootball Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ok, thanks then...I'll just keep on slummin' it with my homies out here in the CYP.Curious...Do you have the little Mac sticker that came with your iPhone stuck on the back of your Prius? Next to the Darwin fish?Loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ok, thanks then...I'll just keep on slummin' it with my homies out here in the CYP.Curious...Do you have the little Mac sticker that came with your iPhone stuck on the back of your Prius? Next to the Darwin fish?Loser.I'm not saying that they're slums, either. There's just aren't enough people, jobs, or traffic out that far...yet. It's not a bad thing. Enjoy it while you can! But it does mean that a site like this gets carved up for restaurant pad sites and other uncouth first-generation retail.And...what's this, you think I'm some kind of raving hipster liberal!? Ha! For the record...my car, its fuel economy, and my driving habits are thoroughly obnoxious and wasteful, somewhere around 19 mpg. I don't own or aspire to own a single Apple product or any bumper stickers. And I only bother with smart phones as a matter of business necessity; I didn't even bother with a cell phone until 2008 when an employer forced the issue. And whenever I've been able to get away with it, I just switch over to one of those throw-away phones that keeps its charge for close to a week and that never loses reception. And what bothers me most about self-described Texas conservatives is that they aren't fiscally conservative at all and that they've been incrementally raising taxes and expenditures (adjusting for population growth and inflation) and then adding to government bloat, in the mean time spawning cottage industries to cope with the heavy hand of government (i.e. third-party management for thousands of special districts, hundreds of new economic development entities that compete among themselves, and property tax consultancies).In the past, you've suggested that northwest Houston should incorporate as a City, a new layer of government. It seemed popular with a certain flavor of "conservative". Then I came in and shot that idea up all full of holes. And more recently, there was a study that came back to The Woodlands that suggested that taxes would increase by up to 70% if they incorporated, so I feel vindicated on my advice to you. But the point is, you're one of these heavy-handed big-government tax-and-spend in-name-only Texas conservatives; I doubt you'd care the slightest bit about paying more taxes so long as you could make a fashion statement out of the deal. So when it comes down to it, I'm far more conservative than you...and I consider myself to be a libertarian-leaning moderate.But I'm still not going to call you a loser. That word lacks meaning or precision. Its just empty rhetoric. I have something better than rhetoric. I have substance./rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervouslaughter Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm not saying that they're slums, either. There's just aren't enough people, jobs, or traffic out that far...yet. It's not a bad thing. Enjoy it while you can! Gotta disagree w/ you about the quantity aspect. The population is there, which is reflective by the traffic. It's a mess. Also, the people who will be visiting that Centre will not be people coming out from other areas, whereas City Centre Memorial will attract non-neighborhood locals. The Centre at Cypress will most likely be consistently packed due to the lack of choices out in that area and most the patrons will be neighborhood locals. In essence, the population is there, it'll just be a different mix. Look at Cheddar's. Not exactly the Tasting Room, but is consistently packed in Cypress. It's not because Cheddar's is great or anything, but it meets the needs of the local market. Put Cheddar's off Waugh, doubt it would last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Gotta disagree w/ you about the quantity aspect. The population is there, which is reflective by the traffic. It's a mess. Also, the people who will be visiting that Centre will not be people coming out from other areas, whereas City Centre Memorial will attract non-neighborhood locals. The Centre at Cypress will most likely be consistently packed due to the lack of choices out in that area and most the patrons will be neighborhood locals. In essence, the population is there, it'll just be a different mix. Look at Cheddar's. Not exactly the Tasting Room, but is consistently packed in Cypress. It's not because Cheddar's is great or anything, but it meets the needs of the local market. Put Cheddar's off Waugh, doubt it would last.The traffic count on US 290 at Skinner road is at 114,000 vehicles per day according to TXDoT, and the periphery of urban growth is only another 5 miles out (and even then it's only Fairfield; there's still lots of developable land right near it).In comparison, I-10 through Memorial City is at 293,000 vpd and Beltway 8 just south of I-10 is at 201,000 vpd. The urban periphery is about 17 miles out to the west...which is interesting, because CityCentre is only 15 miles from 290 and Skinner as the crow flies.The quantity and quality of demographics near this site would support restaurants on pad sites that are similar to Cheddar's, but nothing at all like the tenants at CityCentre. That's what I've been saying all along and I think that we're in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervouslaughter Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The traffic count on US 290 at Skinner road is at 114,000 vehicles per day according to TXDoT, and the periphery of urban growth is only another 5 miles out (and even then it's only Fairfield; there's still lots of developable land right near it).In comparison, I-10 through Memorial City is at 293,000 vpd and Beltway 8 just south of I-10 is at 201,000 vpd. The urban periphery is about 17 miles out to the west...which is interesting, because CityCentre is only 15 miles from 290 and Skinner as the crow flies.The quantity and quality of demographics near this site would support restaurants on pad sites that are similar to Cheddar's, but nothing at all like the tenants at CityCentre. That's what I've been saying all along and I think that we're in agreement.What is really more telling is the percentage of that 114k count vs the 293k count that would be patrons to the local establishments. Plus, the 293k is a double dip in that a large portion of that 114k probably overlaps to the 293k based on commute. Regardless, I think it'll be good for the far Northwest. I moved back to that area until my house finishes building in the loop, so I'm non-biased either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcas Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 The quantity and quality of demographics near this site would support restaurants on pad sites that are similar to Cheddar's, but nothing at all like the tenants at CityCentre. SUCK IT NICHE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 So basically this is just another glorified strip centre, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 What is really more telling is the percentage of that 114k count vs the 293k count that would be patrons to the local establishments. Plus, the 293k is a double dip in that a large portion of that 114k probably overlaps to the 293k based on commute. Regardless, I think it'll be good for the far Northwest. I moved back to that area until my house finishes building in the loop, so I'm non-biased either way.I'm sure that this will be successful as proposed. It's a great retail site. The only thing that I'm disputing is that this should be in any way compared to CityCentre, which caters to a fundamentally different type of retailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervouslaughter Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm sure that this will be successful as proposed. It's a great retail site. The only thing that I'm disputing is that this should be in any way compared to CityCentre, which caters to a fundamentally different type of retailer.True,the demographics will definitely be different; doesn't mean one is better than the other. The Cypress one will have more families and that type. The CityCentre happens to have more singles, couples, empty nesters, happy hour crowds. I've spent plenty of time in both locations, so that's my experience.As for the wealth, over in the Memorial area it's more on the extremes, whereas in Cypress it's somewhat consistent. There also tends to be more of the stay-at-home moms in Memorial. Cypress seems to have lots more dual income families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfootball Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Thank you Niche for coming and shitting on this thread with your usual idiotic rants. Once again, nobody said it was going to be anything like CityCentre save for the developers incorporating an OPEN SPACE FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.As for Cypress Demographics, they're just fine and comparable with other desirable suburbs around town that boast great retail. Right now, Cypress is starved for any good retail and these restaurants should do well.Area Demographics THE WOODLANDS (Town Center)1 Mile: $115,459 Average Household Income, 89.97% White, 5,476 Population3 Mile: $107,833 Average Household Income, 84.56% White, 58,453 Population5 Mile: $113,339 Average Household Income, 84.27% White, 126,683 PopulationArea Demographics LONGWOOD (Cypress)1 Mile: $179,976 Average Household Income, 89.25% White, 9,644 population3 Mile: $124,053 Average Household Income, 81.03% White, 72,506 population5 Mile: $102,874 Average Household Income, 73.49% White, 188,724 populationArea Demographics COLES CROSSING (Cypress)1 Mile: $90,513 Average Household Income, 79% White, 2,228 Population3 Mile: $112,220 Average Household Income, 71% White, 58,974 Population5 Mile: $106,628 Average Household Income, 70% White, 187,996 PopulationArea Demographics LAKES OF ROSEHILL (Cypress)1 Mile: $144,292 Average Household Income, 83.84% White, 5.923 Population3 Mile: $128,413 Average Household Income, 81.72% White, 60,295 Population5 Mile: $106,732 Average Household Income, 76.59% White, 144,484 PopulationArea Demographics STONEGATE (Cypress)1 Mile: $108,680 Avg. Household Income, 60.09% White, 5,646 Population3 Mile: $110,599 Avg. Household Income, 67.05% White, 51,222 Population5 Mile: $99,179 Avg. Household Income, 66.19% White, 193,730 PopulationArea Demographics FAIRFIELD (Cypress)1 Mile: $109,008 Avg. Household Income, 82.65% White, 6,836 Population3 Mile: $105,072 Avg. Household Income, 79.51% White, 28,918 Population5 Mile: $106,700 Avg. Household Income, 77.64% White, 59,943 PopulationArea Demographics VINTAGE PARK (Cypress/Tomball/Klein)1 Mile: $76,474 Average Household Income, 71% White, 7,081 Population3 Mile: $108,275 Average Household Income, 74% White, 91,999 Population5 Mile: $100,785 Average Household Income, 70% White, 236,271 PopulationArea Demographics SUGAR LAND (Sweetwater)1 Mile: $127,501 Average Household Income, 45% White, 8,695 population3 Mile: $128,724 Average Household Income, 52% White, 70,087 population5 Mile: $107,483 Average Household Income, 48% White, 178,968 populationArea Demographics CINCO RANCH (Cinco Ranch Blvd & Grand Pkway)1 Mile: $162,310 Average Household Income, 80% White, 11,777 population3 Mile: $117,126 Average Household Income, 74% White, 115,424 population5 Mile: $107,356 Average Household Income, 71% White, 193,508 populationArea Demographics MEMORIAL (B/W Kirkwood & Dairy Ashford)1 Mile: $112,532 Average Household Income, 70% White, 19,807 population3 Mile: $103,413 Average Household Income, 63% White, 122,045 population5 Mile: $88,718 Average Household Income, 55% White, 285,482 populationArea Demographics MEMORIAL (CityCentre)1 Mile: $165,899 Average Household Income, 82% White, 9,395 population3 Mile: $120,296 Average Household Income, 68% White, 121,046 population5 Mile: $95,583 Average Household Income, 60% White, 346,718 population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Thank you Niche for coming and shitting on this thread with your usual idiotic rants.Wow, you're really passionate about these restaurant pad sites. Okay then, I'll just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcas Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 The link is now inactive and I see no reference to this on their website or anywhere else. Wonder if this is even still a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Perhaps they realized that things were not as they seemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Surprised to see it tanked so quickly. The people behind CityCentre were going to build a similar project in College Station (though not quite as dense), and it was practically full speed ahead until the economy tanked. Even though they've demolished some of the apartments and replaced them with modern three-level structures not in line with the master plan, they're still talking about it as if it will still get built sometime. Even The Plaza is supposed to be a much denser development when its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmug Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 There's a sign up on this property now for Siterra Properties at www.siterraproperties.com, however, they do not have a full website yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcas Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 There's a sign up on this property now for Siterra Properties at www.siterraproperties.com, however, they do not have a full website yet.I haven't driven by, but according to this link, it looks more to me like Siterra might own the adjacent property to the tract in question, but not the one that was originally cited for the Centre at Cypress.http://www.commgate.com/viewers/pdfviewer.cfm?ln=205337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmug Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I haven't driven by, but according to this link, it looks more to me like Siterra might own the adjacent property to the tract in question, but not the one that was originally cited for the Centre at Cypress.http://www.commgate....r.cfm?ln=205337Good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Years ago there were plans for a strip center right at Grand Parkway and 290, next to the outlet mall, anchored by H-E-B. I wonder if that will ever materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmug Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The HEB is being built now and scheduled for completion this fall. It's not in the original proposed location west of the outlet mall though, but rather on the east side of the mall. http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/13160-new-heb-planned-west-of-fairfield-at-cypresswood-and-mason/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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