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  1. 1. If built, will this new stadium help recruiting?



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Looks great. If I didn't know what the Brazos looked like it would excite me even more. All waterways besides the gulf can be deciving kind of like the Bridge in Dallas over the creek/Trinity river. When I first moved to Dallas I kept looking for the trinity and then I saw the sign and I laughed.

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I actually retract my previous comment. I was thinking of the Brazos farther North. It's actually pretty wide at this spot and would look the rendering. Hope they build it.

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story: http://goo.gl/omIam

Baylor University will announce today that former Astros owner Drayton McLane is making the largest financial gift in school history. That gift will be earmarked for the new 50,000-seat, on-campus football stadium.

McLane’s gift means the stadium will be built, although it won’t be official until more funds are raised for the what could be a $300 million facility.

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While the stadium looks great, they haven't been able to fill their current stadium (outside a few big matchups this past year with Griffin) which seats 35K. However, if they keep their exciting offensive football up they may be on to something.

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Thanks for the update... although I thought I'd read about McLane's intended gift some time before, perhaps here on the forum. Regardless, this is great news for Baylor (and, generally, for Texas).

I notice that no dollar value for McLane's gift is mentioned in the article, yet the author is convinced that (i) McLane's gift doesn't cover the entire cost and (ii) Baylor is virtually guaranteed to raise the balance. In my experience, such things are never guaranteed so it makes me even more curious as to the nature/amount of McLane's gift.

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Didn't see these renderings anywhere on here: http://www.baylorbears.com/view.gal?id=115301

While the stadium looks great, they haven't been able to fill their current stadium (outside a few big matchups this past year with Griffin) which seats 35K. However, if they keep their exciting offensive football up they may be on to something.

Just a quick fact check:

No doubt Baylor's current stadium is too large for present needs. It's been there for 50 years, and you probably count on one or two hands the number of times that it's been at capacity. Here are the numbers for the old and new stadiums:

Baylor's current stadium (Floyd Casey Stadium) seats 50,000.

The 2011 average home game attendance was 41,368.

The new proposed Baylor Stadium will seat 45,000. It is designed to accommodate future expansion up to 55,000, if that's ever warranted.

Having sat through many, many games at the old stadium, the new Baylor Stadium should be just about the perfect size.

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Nice find, it looks it really good. Is that lower yellow section for students?

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Yes.

They seem more depressed than the other seats. Seems odd

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They seem more depressed than the other seats. Seems odd

Agree that the yellow seating certainly looks to be depressed. I expect that it is mostly a sight-line issue. That yellow section is primarily for the freshman class, which usually will stand for most or all of the game. My guess is that the depressed seating is to maintain good sight lines behind the dedicated student area.

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http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco_City_Council_Backs_Baylor_Stadium_Project_For_Public_Use_162821926.html

WACO (July, 17, 2012)-The Waco City Council approved in a 6-0 vote to use 35 million tax dollars to pay for infrastructure for the project Tuesday night.

Baylor president, Ken Starr spoke to the council stressing the need for the money.

He also said the project would not be "economically feasible" for the university without the city's support.

One concern among some members of the council, though, is that the stadium be available to rent for residents and organizations outside the Baylor community.

Starr says, "This is truly going to be a community complex and Baylor stadium. So I think everybody is going to be very happy with the many uses of this complex."

At the very least, fans of the current design may want to take a look. Has some quick fly-thrus/overs of the proposed stadium in the piece.

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Will it help recruiting? It shouldnt. Who the hell decides to go to a school based on their new stadium?

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What is on the other side of the river, anyway? It looks like a hotel.

Meanwhile, the Floyd Casey Stadium is so much less popular these days that they cover much of the end zone seats with tarps. A new stadium solves this problem how?

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Will it help recruiting? It shouldnt. Who the hell decides to go to a school based on their new stadium?

You'd be surprised how much facilities make a difference in a recruit's eyes. Especially now that Baylor isn't looked upon as a perennial doormat. The arms race in college football is very heated and a lot of school's are trying to keep up just so they can continue to land top talent.

As for the actual non-athlete students, there is still a sense of school pride you have in your campus and sporting venues. Why settle for sub par facilities when you can have it all on campus. The fact that this stadium will actually be on campus is a huge selling point, too.

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You'd be surprised how much facilities make a difference in a recruit's eyes. Especially now that Baylor isn't looked upon as a perennial doormat. The arms race in college football is very heated and a lot of school's are trying to keep up just so they can continue to land top talent.

As for the actual non-athlete students, there is still a sense of school pride you have in your campus and sporting venues. Why settle for sub par facilities when you can have it all on campus. The fact that this stadium will actually be on campus is a huge selling point, too.

I believe it is essential to have a large library, large study halls, etc. I dont think that football stadiums should be a factor when the prospective student is deciding which school to attend. It should be a non-factor. I'm sure that most of the students attending a university are unlikely to be a part of any of their sports programs. So how it could be a selling point is beyond me. Not everyone cares about college sports.

As for the non-athlete students... Perhaps there is some sense of pride in their school however I think it derives more from whatever academic program they're in and the prestige that originates from that rather than the performance of the shcool's football team.

Imagine the silly looks a non-athletic student would recieve if they were asked why they chose to attend Baylor (or any other university) and the student replied with "Because they have a awesome football team and a new stadium that's on campus". The student would instantly suffer a loss of credibilty.

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I believe it is essential to have a large library, large study halls, etc. I dont think that football stadiums should be a factor when the prospective student is deciding which school to attend. It should be a non-factor. I'm sure that most of the students attending a university are unlikely to be a part of any of their sports programs. So how it could be a selling point is beyond me. Not everyone cares about college sports.

As for the non-athlete students... Perhaps there is some sense of pride in their school however I think it derives more from whatever academic program they're in and the prestige that originates from that rather than the performance of the shcool's football team.

Imagine the silly looks a non-athletic student would recieve if they were asked why they chose to attend Baylor (or any other university) and the student replied with "Because they have a awesome football team and a new stadium that's on campus". The student would instantly suffer a loss of credibilty.

Of course those things are essential, it is a place for higher learning. But I think you're overlooking how big of a marketing force college sports are for their respective universities. If you have a big name program that is going out and winning, your school reaps the benefits of incredible amounts of free press.

For example, when I was a senior at Tech we had a great year (by our standards) in football...we were repeatedly in the news, had some really big, nationally televised games and there was a lot of buzz after we beat Texas and got to #2 in the rankings. The following year, we had our largest incoming freshman class in school history. I don't think it is entirely coincidence, although I guess it could be.

I would hope that anyone is more proud of their degree's merit than the merit of their football team but that isn't always the case. I just think you can argue that there can be a distinct correlation between athletic prowess and school recognition/funding.

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What is on the other side of the river, anyway? It looks like a hotel.

That hotel was actually demolished late last year. It was the Hotel Waco, an ex-Holiday Inn.

There's also a small apartment complex on the waterfront across from the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame, which will likely disappear if the Stadium is to be built.

I think on that plot there's also a series of transmission lines that feed into a substation on the other side of 35. Might be interesting to see how that's handled.

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Funny enough, I happened to be in Waco recently, and was able to get these pictures of the site from I-35. Looked like they were doing some utility work at the time.

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This is about where the old Hotel Waco used to be. Definitely an improvement over the past few years IMHO.

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The Waco Tribune-Herald had a couple of pieces related to the stadium in the past few weeks...

This one talks about the simultaneous construction of the Stadium and the nearby I-35 Bridge over the Brazos

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/175722051.html

And links to a TxDOT webcam that provides updated images six times a day: http://i35-brb-cam.tti.tamu.edu/latest.php

While it looks like a few roads will be updated for the new stadium: http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/175535791.html

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Of course those things are essential, it is a place for higher learning. But I think you're overlooking how big of a marketing force college sports are for their respective universities. If you have a big name program that is going out and winning, your school reaps the benefits of incredible amounts of free press.

For example, when I was a senior at Tech we had a great year (by our standards) in football...we were repeatedly in the news, had some really big, nationally televised games and there was a lot of buzz after we beat Texas and got to #2 in the rankings. The following year, we had our largest incoming freshman class in school history. I don't think it is entirely coincidence, although I guess it could be.

I would hope that anyone is more proud of their degree's merit than the merit of their football team but that isn't always the case. I just think you can argue that there can be a distinct correlation between athletic prowess and school recognition/funding.

It's not a coincidence. I had a conversation with a Baylor admissions official a couple of years ago when we were visiting the campus (during RGIII's time there) and was told that Baylor was getting a record number applications and that it was related to Baylor's successes on the football field.

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http://www.baylor-stadium.com/

 

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/stadium-cam.html

 

 

 

Things are really coming along.  They have redesigned the columns from all the renderings most of the public has seen to columns that are more Georgian in style.  Should be beautiful. 

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Brazos Commons Project. 180 million dollars invested into the riverfront/downtown Waco.  Should be a game changer for this city.  

 

http://www.kwtx.com/video?videoid=2623721

 

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/city_of_waco/details-emerge-of-million-brazos-commons-project/article_7fefa7a5-d442-56e1-b926-702a6139bda3.html?mode=image&photo=1

 

 

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A couple random pictures. It's coming along very quickly.  This thing is going to be huge.  The steel for the roof will extend another 40-50 ft taller than it currently is.  Drove past it on I-35 the other day and it looks just incredible.  

 

 

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Clearly the only thing this building has to do with the stadium is that they're both for the college, but I figured Baylor people might like this and it probably doesn't warrant its own thread here.

 

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http://www.therendercafe.com/houston/gallery.php

errr, what is this? i havent heard/seen anything about this. the tallest building in Waco is the ALICO building at 22 stories. this would be a gamechanger for the skyline. though it doesnt appear to be close to downtown?

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Its not far from downtown and it is a gamechanger.

actually i just found on their website that its slated to go on the east side of LaSalle Ave, which is a mile or two from downtown (downtown is west of Baylor, this project will be to the east). it would be kind of odd to have a tower way out there but the southwest side would have amazing views of Baylor and downtown Waco. i wish (not that it matters because this thing will most likely never see the light of day) they would build this closer to the stadium and the planned Brazos Commons site, near downtown where most of the pedestrian activity takes place.

heres another rendering of it with LaSalle Ave in the foreground.

http://www.therendercafe.com/houston/ShowPic.php?file=/Img/Renders/Branded_Full/31.jpg

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actually i just found on their website that its slated to go on the east side of LaSalle Ave, which is a mile or two from downtown (downtown is west of Baylor, this project will be to the east). it would be kind of odd to have a tower way out there but the southwest side would have amazing views of Baylor and downtown Waco. i wish (not that it matters because this thing will most likely never see the light of day) they would build this closer to the stadium and the planned Brazos Commons site, near downtown where most of the pedestrian activity takes place.

heres another rendering of it with LaSalle Ave in the foreground.

http://www.therendercafe.com/houston/ShowPic.php?file=/Img/Renders/Branded_Full/31.jpg

 

It surely would compliment the stadium, too bad its on the opposite side.

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It surely would compliment the stadium, too bad its on the opposite side.

opposite side of what?

heres a generic auto reply i got from the company when inquiring about Legacy Landing.

"Thank you for your interest in this project.  Marketing information regarding the project is still in the process of being completed.  When the information has been finalized and is available, you will receive an email reply."

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opposite side of what?

heres a generic auto reply i got from the company when inquiring about Legacy Landing.

"Thank you for your interest in this project. Marketing information regarding the project is still in the process of being completed. When the information has been finalized and is available, you will receive an email reply."

Of the stadium.

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from where? the tower is planned to be on the same side of the river as Baylor Stadium, just down the river about half a mile or so, on the other side of LaSalle. the bridge to cross the river would be to access campus and the trail system that runs along the river.

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from where? the tower is planned to be on the same side of the river as Baylor Stadium, just down the river about half a mile or so, on the other side of LaSalle. the bridge to cross the river would be to access campus and the trail system that runs along the river.

 

Opps I know I said opposite but I take it back, what I meant to say was a bit separated. 

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oh, for sure.. it would be awesome if something like that was across 35 from the stadium, around where Buzzard Billies currently is. across the river from where the Brazos Commons is planned to go, much closer to downtown than the current site. i highly doubt the tower will happen though, but it would be very exciting for Waco.

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i wish (not that it matters because this thing will most likely never see the light of day) they would build this closer to the stadium and the planned Brazos Commons site, near downtown where most of the pedestrian activity takes place.

The Baylor admin would probably try to block any development close enough and tall enough to get a good view of the games.

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heres some updated pictures of the site after i got out of class today. the west side has been topped out for a few weeks now.. they have been working their way north, and now east. brick work started on some portions a while back and they are working on the siding on the west side now it looks like. cant wait till next season!

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Not that I know of. Last I heard they were either going to use it for high school games or possibly tear it down and build some kind of mixed use development on that plot (though the later may have been just a rumor)

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When we were there this past weekend for the bonfire and parade I noticed they've blocked off a section along University Parks.  Is that for construction of the bridge to the stadium or is there another project going on?

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blocked off UP? i havent noticed anything.. then again i live downtown and take 5th street to school, so i dont travel UP every day. it was probably just for the weekend or a quick fix repair. of course they are doing lots of serious construction immediately to the north of UP for the new bridges/access lanes, but nothing that i know of planned to happen to UP.

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