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Houston Pavillions in Trouble?

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The ability to go vertical would've required some kind of accommodation for on-site structured parking. So...what you see is what you get.

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The ability to go vertical would've required some kind of accommodation for on-site structured parking. So...what you see is what you get.

But there's garages right across the street?

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The biggest design flaw was when the developers cut the apartment tower and hotel tower. City Centre works because it's in a hot area of town AND because it has 100s of apartments and Hotel Sorella built in to the project.

Hopefully they built the Pavilions with the ability to go vertical in the future. Would love to see a 15-20 story apartment tower on one block and a boutique hotel on the other...

Nonsense. Downtowns are different than suburban developments. Suburban developments that want to create an urban vibe have to include all of the elements within their development. Not so, downtown. There are hotels and apartments right across the street from the Paviolions and more of both within blocks.

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But there's garages right across the street?

Are they not already in use? Code will require more parking. It helps the formula a little bit if the parking is shared by land uses that operate on different schedules...but then, apartment/condo tenants hate mixing with public parking and will want reserved spaces.

Again. What you see is what you get. The fee developer had to compromise on density to take advantage of what I like to call 'stupid money' when it became available. Otherwise, these would just be three vacant blocks.

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the only place they could put residential in Pavilions is where Books A Million is now, and BAM isn't made to have additional floors added above it- they would have to knock it down.

but, honestly... would you want to live within two blocks of two very loud music venues, a bowling alley, and next to the main parking lots for said place?

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the only place they could put residential in Pavilions is where Books A Million is now, and BAM isn't made to have additional floors added above it- they would have to knock it down.

but, honestly... would you want to live within two blocks of two very loud music venues, a bowling alley, and next to the main parking lots for said place?

daniepwills and anyone else in Humble Tower already do. I live on top of a bar and on the same block as two clubs. It works out okay.

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Yes.

Well damn, I've been out of the development game for too long.

Whatever the case, adding a highrise would require more parking just to suit tenants' needs. And more importantly, I fail to understand why a developer seeking to add a tower would build one here. There are better blocks with fewer complications elsewhere in downtown.

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I just returned from Denver and must say the Denver Pavilions are very successful, at least by observatory glance. H&M is packed; there are restaurants and stores, even a movie theatre and a Da Vinci exhibition. The key is the pedestrian street though I think. Bagby is an expiriment in midtown if that works perhaps a similar idea could be floated around the pavilions area; though it is fair to note that main street failed.

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Denver Pavilions, although much smaller has more energy as a result of the spillover affect from pedestrian activity off the 16th street mall. The developers really screwed the design phase of the Houston Pavilions project up big time. It all started with them eliminating the condo component. At first, i didn't think it was a big deal because i knew how successful Denver's was without them, plus i knew One Park Place was opening up right down the way and thought it serve to fill that void.

Also, the loading docks are very unattractive and quite a turn off. There's been countless number of times i've been hovering around the House of blues while they're loading/unloading merchandise and the pedestrians have to go around it. Who wants to see all of that? The design also being enclosed inward didn't really help create a vibrancy.

I'm somewhat glad to see that other developers will take over. Hopefully, they can fix some design flaws as an earlier poster pointed out.

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