Occupy Wall Street?

[Marksmu]

According tothis article, some of the beliefs that are held by some people REALLY need to be educated:

I do not watch any cable news channels at all, but this "survey" confirms basically everything I have read or seen about the OW idiots. They are lazy socialist....they want everything handed to them so they dont have to work for it, and they want it to be the most expensive nicest things that those who actually do work for it have. There is no compromise - they see people with more, and they do not think its fair. They are the modern generation of democrats and they are being fueled by the president who keeps on upping the class warfare in every speech.

I am so sick of seeing a group of people like these kids who dont work, are not trying to work, and are telling the people who actually do work that they should not get to keep the fruit of their labor. It really is sickening to me to see any support of any kind behind such a movement. These people are socialist. They do not believe in democracy and they think capitalism is the root of all evil. They are nothing more than jealous because they are too darn lazy to go out and do for themselves.

Personally, I think every OW protestor is one of a few things - drug addicted loser, MSM or college brainwashed socialist, exceedingly lazy, union member (redundant with lazy), or a dumba$$ kid who just wants to party and pretend they are making a difference. The fact that the media is paying so much attention to this "movement" makes me sick. Its not a movement - its a group of lazy beggers who need to be moved along....they have no coherent message, they are not actually protesting anything other than America, and the things they claim they want are anti-American.

I support free speech and their right to protest, but that is the extent of my support for these fools, because that is what they are. Fools.

[kylejack]

So...you are in support of police violence against hipsters?

Does not compute.

Well the topic is the occupy protests, so when I say "it", I meant to imply the movement. The second sentence was responding to the "seems to be heating up" stuff in the OP.

[infinite_jim]

I do not watch any cable news channels at all, but this "survey" confirms basically everything I have read or seen about the OW idiots. They are [size="1"]lazy socialist....[b]they want [size="1"]everything handed to them so they dont have to work for it, and [/size]they want [size="1"]it to be the most expensive nicest things that those who actually do work for it have. There is no compromise - they see people with more, and they do not think its fair. They are the modern generation of democrats and they are being fueled by the president who keeps on upping the class warfare in every speech.

I am so sick of seeing a group of people like these kids who dont work, are not trying to work, and are telling the people who actually do work that they should not get to keep the fruit of their labor. It really is sickening to me to see any support of any kind behind such a movement. These people are socialist. They do not believe [size="1"]in democracy and they think capitalism is the root of all evil. They are [size="1"]nothing more than jealous because they are too darn lazy to go out and do for themselves.Personally, I think every OW protestor is one of a few things - drug addicted loser, MSM or college brainwashed socialist, exceedingly lazy, union member (redundant with lazy), or a dumba$$ kid who just wants to party and pretend they are making a difference. The fact that the media is paying so much attention to this "movement" makes me sick. Its not a movement - its a group of lazy beggers who need to be moved along..[/size]..they have no coherent message, they are not actually protesting anything other than America, and the things [/size]they claim they want are anti-American. [i]I support free speech and their right to protest, but that is the extent of my support for these fools, because that is what they are. Fools.

I'm convinced.

[TheNiche]

I'm convinced.

You should be. Marksmu's visceral reaction to hippies/hipsters is essentially analogous to the one that brought us Nixon in 1970. I don't know what you want, but I'd venture to say that you don't want anything like that.

[Marksmu]

You should be. Marksmu's visceral reaction to hippies/hipsters is essentially analogous to the one that brought us Nixon in 1970. I don't know what you want, but I'd venture to say that you don't want anything like that.

The OW people are the some of lowest of the low and the laziest of the laziest - if the news and the newspapers would just start to ignore the fact that they are still there, and we send cops in with a few drug sniffing dogs to clean up the illicit drugs, it will only be a few hours before they all go home. We are not dealing with some kind of intellectually powerful force with the wherewithal to stick it out .....were dealing with lazy people begging in mass. Once its no longer fun, no longer cool and nobody cares, it will end.

[Utinga]

"I support free speech and their right to protest, but that is the extent of my support for these fools, because that is what they are. Fools."

Ah, so if I protest your opinion of these fools, am I then also a fool? History is rife with fools changing the course of other fools. It's a silly cliché, but "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. ..." In all disagreements there shall always be "fools", hopefully one of those fools will make our next great social change for the better. This fool can dream.

[west20th]

You should be. Marksmu's visceral reaction to hippies/hipsters is essentially analogous to the one that brought us Nixon in 1970. I don't know what you want, but I'd venture to say that you don't want anything like that.

'68. Young whippersnappers!

[Daniepwils]

The OW people are the some of lowest of the low and the laziest of the laziest - if the news and the newspapers would just start to ignore the fact that they are still there, and we send cops in with a few drug sniffing dogs to clean up the illicit drugs, it will only be a few hours before they all go home. We are not dealing with some kind of intellectually powerful force with the wherewithal to stick it out .....were dealing with lazy people begging in mass. Once its no longer fun, no longer cool and nobody cares, it will end.

If you would have posted this three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. However they now have people of all ages who who have worked their entire lives and are now unemployed with no other option but to protest. They also are starting to get union people out there as well, so it isn't just "lazy" people as you state.

[Marksmu]

If you would have posted this three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. However they now have people of all ages who who have worked their entire lives and are now unemployed with no other option but to protest. They also are starting to get union people out there as well, so it isn't just "lazy" people as you state.

It is my opinion that Union = Lazy -however to expand on your point - the unions are only coming in to support the protests, along with other out of work democrats in an effort to do what Fox news did to the tea party - that is to give it a definitive party affiliation for their particular gain. The unions got together and said hey - these guys are there, and they are probably closer to democrats than republicans - many are just disheartened democrats - lets offer our support, give them free food/drinks and other stuff to keep them there that way we look like we are for the people, and we can pick up votes in 2012 - Really anything the Democrats can do to get a vote - It is pretty much undeniable that if the election were held today - we would have a new president, and the senate would change hands as well.

As much as the media does not want people to think that is true - the swing states are not currently swing states.....At this point the republicans will have to implode to screw up the 2012 elections...the Democrats see this begging as an opportunity to get a republican to say something stupid and implode, as well as to buy votes, by offering union support and free food and other items.

[RedScare]

It is my opinion that Union = Lazy -however to expand on your point - the unions are only coming in to support the protests, along with other out of work democrats in an effort to do what Fox news did to the tea party - that is to give it a definitive party affiliation for their particular gain. The unions got together and said hey - these guys are there, and they are probably closer to democrats than republicans - many are just disheartened democrats - lets offer our support, give them free food/drinks and other stuff to keep them there that way we look like we are for the people, and we can pick up votes in 2012 - Really anything the Democrats can do to get a vote - It is pretty much undeniable that if the election were held today - we would have a new president, and the senate would change hands as well.

As much as the media does not want people to think that is true - the swing states are not currently swing states.....At this point the republicans will have to implode to screw up the 2012 elections...the Democrats see this begging as an opportunity to get a republican to say something stupid and implode, as well as to buy votes, by offering union support and free food and other items.

It is my opinion that Children of the Wealthy = Lazier than Union Workers.

It is not at all clear that we'd have a new president if the election were today. Not because of anything Obama has done to earn a second term, but that the GOP has cobbled together the most unappealing slate of candidates since...2008.

I won't comment on why the unions are offering support to OWS, since in my experience I have found that SMU grads have a greater understanding of unions than anyone else. However, it is worth noting that OWS has spread to 1,000 cities in the US and Europe, dwarfing any union support offered. It should also be noted that OWS has resisted the Democrats so far, probably because they believe that Democrats are part of the problem, but possibly also because of what they saw happen to the Tea Party once the GOP got their hands on them. But, the bigger reason is likely because OWS has so far resisted drawing up a list of demands, so no one knows exactly whose side they are on.

[infinite_jim]

You should be. Marksmu's visceral reaction to hippies/hipsters is essentially analogous to the one that brought us Nixon in 1970. I don't know what you want, but I'd venture to say that you don't want anything like that.

I'd love a Nixon presidency!

I wish conservatives could get everything they ever wanted.

[TheNiche]

'68. Young whippersnappers!

I stand corrected. I think that my analogy still is a good one, however.

[TheNiche]

I'd love a Nixon presidency!

I wish conservatives could get everything they ever wanted.

I'm confused.

[Mister X]

I'd love a Nixon presidency!

I wish conservatives could get everything they ever wanted.

The best part was when he gave that teary-eyed resignation. The Republican humiliation that followed was also awesome. But the Democrat landslide was also a great result of a Nixon presidency. Except for chaos, the watergate hearings and the permanent distrust of government that remains to this day, the Nixon presidency was a fun little spectacle to witness. I'm sure the next republican president WILL provide another one. EAT THE RICH!

[tamtagon]

Tea Party and OccupyYourCity would dramatically advance the common goal by phasing out 401K and similar retirement/investment strategies.

[TheNiche]

The best part was when he gave that teary-eyed resignation. The Republican humiliation that followed was also awesome. But the Democrat landslide was also a great result of a Nixon presidency. Except for chaos, the watergate hearings and the permanent distrust of government that remains to this day, the Nixon presidency was a fun little spectacle to witness. I'm sure the next republican president WILL provide another one. EAT THE RICH!

Right...because Jimmy Carter, a southern Christian ex-military farmer (just like Rick Perry) is what Democrats wanted.

Oh, and apparently cannibalism is awesome?

[Mister X]

Try and keep up with current events and quit being so literal.

[barracuda]

I'd love a Nixon presidency!

I wish conservatives could get everything they ever wanted.

I too would love to see a conservative like Nixon...one who created the EPA, signed the Clean Air Act, and proposed a national health insurance plan. In fact, I would love to have a conservative party in this country that could challenge the status quo by using facts, logic, and rational discourse instead of lunacy and outrageousness. It's a fantasy of mine...

[TheNiche]

Try and keep up with current events and quit being so literal.

But that's just the thing about people who myopically track current events. They are literal, there exists no sense of humor, and everyone so engaged hopes that the world can be changed the way they want to see it, fears that the world is presently doomed, and has no memory of the past. It is an abysmal and fruitless existence, that of a pawn.

[Ross]

Tea Party and OccupyYourCity would dramatically advance the common goal by phasing out 401K and similar retirement/investment strategies.

Yes, because we don't want anyone to be able to save for retirement. After all, the government will provide.

[samagon]

But that's just the thing about people who myopically track current events. They are literal, there exists no sense of humor, and everyone so engaged hopes that the world can be changed the way they want to see it, fears that the world is presently doomed, and has no memory of the past. It is an abysmal and fruitless existence, that of a pawn.

but if you keep trudging towards the 8th rank you will be promoted to queen once you get there, or perhaps go for underpromotion and become a rook or bishop, maybe even a knight?

[west20th]

I stand corrected. I think that my analogy still is a good one, however.

Somewhat, but the war had as much to do with Nixon's election as the scary hippies. The Democrats (Humphrey) were saddled with the Vietnam war and Nixon sold everyone on his super secret plan to get us out of Vietnam. No more war no more scary hippies.

[VicMan]

It's interesting how, thanks to nostalgia, now people see the hippy era as fun days gone by. In fact, parts of the 1960s had a lot of tension (class tension and tension over a possible war).

Somewhat, but the war had as much to do with Nixon's election as the scary hippies. The Democrats (Humphrey) were saddled with the Vietnam war and Nixon sold everyone on his super secret plan to get us out of Vietnam. No more war no more scary hippies.

[Marksmu]

It is my opinion that Children of the Wealthy = Lazier than Union Workers.

It is not at all clear that we'd have a new president if the election were today. Not because of anything Obama has done to earn a second term, but that the GOP has cobbled together the most unappealing slate of candidates since...2008.

I won't comment on why the unions are offering support to OWS, since in my experience I have found that SMU grads have a greater understanding of unions than anyone else. However, it is worth noting that OWS has spread to 1,000 cities in the US and Europe, dwarfing any union support offered. It should also be noted that OWS has resisted the Democrats so far, probably because they believe that Democrats are part of the problem, but possibly also because of what they saw happen to the Tea Party once the GOP got their hands on them. But, the bigger reason is likely because OWS has so far resisted drawing up a list of demands, so no one knows exactly whose side they are on.

There are plenty of lazy children of wealthy folks - and there are plenty of them who saw the work their parents put in to get wealthy and emulate it. I have not experienced that with Unions. (Do not confuse union members with the Union itself - there are plenty of people who are forced to be in a union just to have a job and are just doing as they are told) The UNION in my experience with 7 different Union machine shops, requires more concessions from the company each year without any expectation of an increase in production or efficiency. There is no accountability connected to a demand in more pay. Likewise their is no interest in maintaining their competitiveness in the market...I outsource work to these shops and I get to see it first hand. It does not make me an expert by any means, but I do see the effect on our business. Each year the union shops costs have risen 6-8%, while non-union shops have had on average a 3.5-5% increase. With every customer trying to contain costs in ways we have never seen before a single percent on even small jobs is a big deal.

Back on the topic of the OWS "movement" it is still made up mostly of kids. Kids who don't have jobs, are in college, or fresh out of college and cant find work. . Its trendy, its cool, and as soon as its not cool and trendy - its over. They have not resisted democrats because they dont trust them....they have not resisted anything other than the police. They are just a bunch of kids who do not who to direct their anger towards - all they see is people who have more than them, and they want it. They don't care how they get it - they don't know how to take it, so they sit on the street and continue the party....its hardly a protest - its closer to a block party than anything else.

The OWS movement will mean nothing in the long run. They are lazy kids, and they will give up soon enough. The media is sensationalizing it because it fits their agenda, but its really nothing at all...no change will ever come from this joke of a protest.

All the polls I have seen show that any generic candidate with an R behind his name will beat Obama if the election were held today. While I don't like any of the candidates myself, I still think any of them would be a significant improvement - even Rick Perry - who I personally loathe. The only person more liberal than Perry in the field is Romney - who I would expect the media to continue to support because he is not the choice of the conservative republicans....he is the media's republican candidate because he is a democrat running as a republican.

[west20th]

...All the polls I have seen show that any generic candidate with an R behind his name will beat Obama...

Fortunately Obama isn't running against a "generic" Republican. He will be running against one of the clown parade the GOP will trot out.

[ricco67]

Well, I spotted an Art teacher that I know on the news, and I can't say that I am surprised.

But if she is against capitalism, then she needs to stop giving art lessons for money.

[KristinDaugherty]

Now, y'all, stop being so hard on the OWS guys. They went to all the trouble to make up hand signals for us!

TWINKLE FINGERS!

[RedScare]

Well, I spotted an Art teacher that I know on the news, and I can't say that I am surprised.

But if she is against capitalism, then she needs to stop giving art lessons for money.

You should probably learn the definitions of capitalism and socialism before you start smack talking art teachers.

[ricco67]

You should probably learn the definitions of capitalism and socialism before you start smack talking art teachers.

Well, I guess I didn't elaborate what she said on TV, but to me it smacked of socialism.

[samagon]

Fortunately Obama isn't running against a "generic" Republican. He will be running against one of the clown parade the GOP will trot out.

If the election were today, Cain shows 48% and Obama has 44%. remainder are undecided, or would vote for someone else.

More than any election in the past I think this coming election is going to be 'who is the lesser of two evils'

We know what Obama has accomplished, and it isn't a great record. We see some of the 'awesome' ideas that some of the republican candidates are offering, and well, I can't say they're great ideas (electric border fences? really?).

Well, I spotted an Art teacher that I know on the news, and I can't say that I am surprised.

But if she is against capitalism, then she needs to stop giving art lessons for money.

but are they all against capitalism? Is she? Or is she just angry, and are the commies just capitalizing on the event to try and gain their own traction?