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Yes, the first tower crane is going up and according to a rigger and some Skanska workers, 2 more tower cranes will be going up in the next couple of weeks. The office portion is going up too!!!  They

It's kind of open, at least if you wander around from Pennzoil, there's nothing/no one to stop you continuing through the tunnel level.    It looks really well done. In one mole person's opi

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Are they going to leave the parking garage exposed? Thought we'd see some cladding by now.

 

 

A Baker concrete employee I talked to today said the other tower crane is supposed to come down in a couple weeks, they were wrappings things up this morning.

 

Sounds like it's gonna be nekkit for a while - which is reasonable, considering that the plan is to have more floors going up, not to mention the whole side that faces Chase of what's there is going to end up as the centerline of the eventual full garage.

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I'm still curious how (or if, I suppose) they are planning to weatherproof the tunnels.

 

With a protracted delay in the tower construction, you have the big (unfinished) open atrium leading down to the tunnels. Without a structure above, it is just a big open hole down to the lower level that I'm hoping will be opened back up to mole traffic.

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I'm still curious how (or if, I suppose) they are planning to weatherproof the tunnels.

 

With a protracted delay in the tower construction, you have the big (unfinished) open atrium leading down to the tunnels. Without a structure above, it is just a big open hole down to the lower level that I'm hoping will be opened back up to mole traffic.

 

The big hole has some way to drain out water.  So, to open it up at the lowest cost you rig up some sort of temporary structure to keep rain off of people's punkin haids (some version of the boxed in sidewalk on the Main Street side of 609), and rely on self closing doors at the access points to keep people from freezing out/getting heat stroke in the adjacent buildings.

 

Or not... just holler "take THAT, Mole People - circle around through the bank building to get to the tower!!!"  The only tunnel access that's not under cover of what's already built is the direct route to 600 Travis.

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The big hole has some way to drain out water.  So, to open it up at the lowest cost you rig up some sort of temporary structure to keep rain off of people's punkin haids (some version of the boxed in sidewalk on the Main Street side of 609), and rely on self closing doors at the access points to keep people from freezing out/getting heat stroke in the adjacent buildings.

 

Or not... just holler "take THAT, Mole People - circle around through the bank building to get to the tower!!!"  The only tunnel access that's not under cover of what's already built is the direct route to 600 Travis.

 

It occurred to me that the tunnel level had to be counting on the tower's HVAC system to keep it climate controlled anyway, so making the whole area water tight would probably make it nasty hot in the summer months, barring the use of a bunch of window A/C units.

 

I foresee something that has the feel of the corridors at airports out to the commuter jet "gates" that are really just a door farther out on the tarmac.

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is anyone else not sad that a historic building was torn down for a freaking parking garage for the near future. This tower wont be built for years

 

Nope. It may delayed, but progress is being made. As someone in the industry, if it helps keep jobs and gives more work to go around, good.

 

And to sum up in general how I personally feel about saving historic buildings because they're historic : 

 

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Just because you're historic for one reason or another doesn't mean we should keep you and impede progress and growth. Ahem, looking at you astrodome.

 

With all of that said, if a building is historic and it can be rehabbed and actually be used or re purposed for a socially responsible reason, keep it. If its collecting mold and rats and is beyond help, get rid of it.

 

 

..... and let the arguments begin (based on what I've seen, my opinion is probably not very popular). Everyone remember, we're all entitled to our opinions. 

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Nope. It may delayed, but progress is being made. As someone in the industry, if it helps keep jobs and gives more work to go around, good.

And to sum up in general how I personally feel about saving historic buildings because they're historic :

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Just because you're historic for one reason or another doesn't mean we should keep you and impede progress and growth. Ahem, looking at you astrodome.

With all of that said, if a building is historic and it can be rehabbed and actually be used or re purposed for a socially responsible reason, keep it. If its collecting mold and rats and is beyond help, get rid of it.

..... and let the arguments begin (based on what I've seen, my opinion is probably not very popular). Everyone remember, we're all entitled to our opinions.

I didn't know the Astrodome was impeding progress and growth!

How long does a building have to sit vacant before we're sure it will never again be useful? Some of the buildings being renovated and restored now sat vacant for decades...

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Do they believe the bogus that comes out of your mind? Destroying a beautiful building with so much history without securing funding for a new building and replacing it with a freaking parkint garage is okay?

Some of you guys drink way too much koolaid. If this becomes a parking garage for 10+ years I'm going to be effin pissed

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Do they believe the bogus that comes out of your mind? Destroying a beautiful building with so much history without securing funding for a new building and replacing it with a freaking parkint garage is okay?

Some of you guys drink way too much koolaid. If this becomes a parking garage for 10+ years I'm going to be effin pissed

 

Get a grip, man.  Skanska has the funding to build the tower.  It just does not make sense for them to do so if they can't find any tenants.  I doubt there is anyone on this board who is not disappointed with the delay of this tower.  But, you know, #*$& happens.

 

Perhaps you have noticed a slight decrease in oil prices since this project was started.  If you know of a way to perfectly project future commodity prices so that development projects are never overtaken by economic events, I'm sure Skanska and every other developer would love to hear it. Otherwise, put a sock in it, already.

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I didn't know the Astrodome was impeding progress and growth!

How long does a building have to sit vacant before we're sure it will never again be useful? Some of the buildings being renovated and restored now sat vacant for decades...

 

Haha, thats another tailgating lot on Sundays ;) 

And since my taxes are paying for it to sit there, I'd say in some way shape or form it is financially impeding progress somewhere else.

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My taxes paid for that parking lot you tailgate on and for the stadium in which the game is played in. Neither of which I have any use for, so that's a fair trade.

 

Yes, but that stadium also brings a crap load of business to the city and surrounding areas, which boosts the economy, and so on which I would hope you find a halfway decent use of your taxes. A major event like the superbowl comes to mind..... and with something like the superbowl, it has spurred a lot of projects in the Houston/metro area. As a HAIFer I would also think that some of the stuff going up interests you. 

 

And you're telling me you've never been to NRG for a rodeo, game, event or anything ever? 

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Yes, but that stadium also brings a crap load of business to the city and surrounding areas, which boosts the economy, and so on which I would hope you find a halfway decent use of your taxes. A major event like the superbowl comes to mind..... and with something like the superbowl, it has spurred a lot of projects in the Houston/metro area. As a HAIFer I would also think that some of the stuff going up interests you.

And you're telling me you've never been to NRG for a rodeo, game, event or anything ever?

That brings up a good question, which I guess I'll have to look into... Is the cost of a stadium justified by the outside business a super bowl brings... that happens every +10 years?

I also don't think the Super Bowl has created anything necessarily "going up". If you care to enlighten me about a project that went up soley because of the event, I'd like to know, in all sincerity.

I've been to the stadium a few times out of obligation (graduations), but never for a Texans game. I think it's absolutely ridiculous us tax payers have to fork out cash for a sports franchise with continued maintenance & upgrades while some people high up in a monopoly reap the benefits. But that's another story.

Just pointing out its hypocritical to talk about wasting tax dollars when it's really all relative. You have your football, and I get to hold on to the Astrodome until we find a use for it.

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Regarding the stadium, of the $442 million price, $284 million is being paid for with hotel occupancy and car rental taxes earmarked for use by the sports authority, with the remainder coming from tenant payments and user fees.  So, unless you are staying in hotels here or renting cars, your tax dollars aren't "being wasted" on NRG Stadium.

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Regarding the stadium, of the $442 million price, $284 million is being paid for with hotel occupancy and car rental taxes earmarked for use by the sports authority, with the remainder coming from tenant payments and user fees. So, unless you are staying in hotels here or renting cars, your tax dollars aren't "being wasted" on NRG Stadium.

Do you have a sources for that info? I would like to read up on that.

And is that figure for the super bowl or just annually for regular games?

Edit: FWIW I do stay in hotels here in town. ;)

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Regarding the stadium, of the $442 million price, $284 million is being paid for with hotel occupancy and car rental taxes earmarked for use by the sports authority, with the remainder coming from tenant payments and user fees.  So, unless you are staying in hotels here or renting cars, your tax dollars aren't "being wasted" on NRG Stadium.

 

That is true, but if we hadn't raised those taxes to spend on sports, we could have raised them to spend on something else. Or the Sports Authority could have funded something like the bayou park improvements instead, which was one of the ideas originally thrown about at the time the sports authority was created (and then you wouldn't have needed a $166 million bond issue for Bayou Greenways). No matter what artificial walls you set up, they are ultimately OUR tax dollars.

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It looks like they're getting close to finished for the time being.  There's a whole lot less stuff outside the building footprint every day; about the only thing left that was staged in the next block of Travis is the warning sign for the blocked off lane (at least this morning - for all I know it may be gone now).

 

In response to some of those whose knickers are in a twist over the previous building being replaced with a parking garage - nearly half of the old building was a parking garage.  It was the mid 50s equivalent of 601 Travis.  The only difference was that it was a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and back room operations for Chase's local predecessor that was faced in buff brick rather than a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and whatever back room operations remain for Chase that is faced in gray granite.

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It looks like they're getting close to finished for the time being. There's a whole lot less stuff outside the building footprint every day; about the only thing left that was staged in the next block of Travis is the warning sign for the blocked off lane (at least this morning - for all I know it may be gone now).

In response to some of those whose knickers are in a twist over the previous building being replaced with a parking garage - nearly half of the old building was a parking garage. It was the mid 50s equivalent of 601 Travis. The only difference was that it was a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and back room operations for Chase's local predecessor that was faced in buff brick rather than a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and whatever back room operations remain for Chase that is faced in gray granite.

Any sign the tunnel from Chase south might reopen?

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It looks like they're getting close to finished for the time being. There's a whole lot less stuff outside the building footprint every day; about the only thing left that was staged in the next block of Travis is the warning sign for the blocked off lane (at least this morning - for all I know it may be gone now).

In response to some of those whose knickers are in a twist over the previous building being replaced with a parking garage - nearly half of the old building was a parking garage. It was the mid 50s equivalent of 601 Travis. The only difference was that it was a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and back room operations for Chase's local predecessor that was faced in buff brick rather than a bland box of low midrise infill housing the garage and whatever back room operations remain for Chase that is faced in gray granite.

I'm not against the loss of this block, just the lack of a shiny cool building (and the astrodome). ;)
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Any sign the tunnel from Chase south might reopen?

 

Not sure - that particular part of the block (more or less in the middle) is hard to see from my usual haunts.

 

I'm not against the loss of this block, just the lack of a shiny cool building (and the astrodome). ;)

 

Patience, Grasshopper...

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That brings up a good question, which I guess I'll have to look into... Is the cost of a stadium justified by the outside business a super bowl brings... that happens every +10 years?

I also don't think the Super Bowl has created anything necessarily "going up". If you care to enlighten me about a project that went up soley because of the event, I'd like to know, in all sincerity.

I've been to the stadium a few times out of obligation (graduations), but never for a Texans game. I think it's absolutely ridiculous us tax payers have to fork out cash for a sports franchise with continued maintenance & upgrades while some people high up in a monopoly reap the benefits. But that's another story.

Just pointing out its hypocritical to talk about wasting tax dollars when it's really all relative. You have your football, and I get to hold on to the Astrodome until we find a use for it.

 

I don't have insider info on anything it as directly spurred, but it seems like there is a fair amount of construction in the area (main st.) there are two hotels going up (I think they're both hotels) and then I think of a rather decent sized venue in one of our suburbs that their substantial completion is in part driven by the SB because one of the sports juggernaut sponsors wants to use it as home base while they're here. Dangling a carrot like that helps move things forward quicker than it may otherwise have gone. 

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It looks like the tunnel connections are going to be resurrected in the fairly near future - the word is sometime either within the next few weeks or by the end of the summer, depending on who you talk to.  I was able to gaze down upon the northern half of the block today; there's plenty of slab in place that will eventually be the lobby floor to allow Mole People access to and from 600 Travis without having to be frightened by sunlight or rain.  There are also bunch of CMU walls up that can just as easily come down, both on the street and basement levels.

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Idk, how I feel about this "garage".

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Until the fence comes down, I'll reserve judgement, they've taken down the cranes, but there's still lots to do, I think.

 

What I'm curious about is how are they going to work the tunnels with no building?

 

Maybe an open air atrium :)

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Maybe an open air atrium :)

I always wished there were a block in downtown that was a sunken plaza, with tunnel connections opening up to the open air plaza that would be surrounded on the sides by Below-Ground Floor Retail/Restaurants, with stairs/escalators up to the sidewalks at street level. A way to open up the tunnels to street level..

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Could they at least put a facade up?  Maybe a drawing of the old buildings?

 

Rumor has it that some sort of artwork is the plan for the CMU walls that are currently painted light gray.

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I always wished there were a block in downtown that was a sunken plaza, with tunnel connections opening up to the open air plaza that would be surrounded on the sides by Below-Ground Floor Retail/Restaurants, with stairs/escalators up to the sidewalks at street level. A way to open up the tunnels to street level..

 

Such a plaza exists at Wells Fargo Plaza, 1000 Louisiana.  There is even one small deli nearby at the transition into the Land of the Mole People.

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Such a plaza exists at Wells Fargo Plaza, 1000 Louisiana. There is even one small deli nearby at the transition into the Land of the Mole People.

Thats just two staircases from the street going down to a tunnel entrance.. I was talking a full square block that's sunken down to tunnel level, opening the tunnels up green space/the outside.

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