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They are saying that they have been wanting a presence in Houston for decades, yet they have had a medical presence for 100 years. It doesn't follow.

Plus that is a hell of a lot of land to start out with. The entire Rice Campus is 295 acres. Some of UT 4 yrs campuses are that size. UT Austin, Dallas, SA, etc are huge but they all started smaller and acquired more land. UTD started out as 1 building, UT Austin started out as 40 acres, UT Arlington was less than 10 Acres in its early days before expansion.

Comparing it to other universities, SMU is exactly the same size as Rice at 295 acres, Houston Baptist is 100 acres, Texas state has 38,000 students on 450 acres, lamar is like 270 acres, trinity in SA is 117 acres.

Looking at the medical Reseach fascilities, UT HSC Houston had a tiny foot print. UT HSC San Antonio has 8 campuses and all together they are smaller than this. UT Southwestern is in a Medical district that contain 3 campuses and 4 hospitals and and only take up 230 acres.

So I can only think that the reason UT needs so much land is they are planning a full fledged 4 year stand alone college Campus in Houston.

 

I also agree with this.

 

FWIW, I went to Texas so I'm actually excited they're doing this.

 

It will mostly likely be a research complex offering advanced degrees at first. Then eventually (and like you've stated) become a full 4 year institution. Somehow, it will differentiate itself by focusing on something like engineering or space or medical or possibly a combination all three!. Who knows.

 

It will be interesting how it comes about and how the UT system will try to not cannibalize its flagship campus /  compete with A&M & UH for the Houston area.

 

I do know, however, that compared to California (which Texas does all the time) we as a state are severely behind in top tier public university / higher education infrastructure. Not to mention we will need to educate the ever expanding population.

 

UH is a piece of the puzzle. And I would love for them to get a medical school and grow as a Tier 1 institution. But with the population growth in Houston, there will be a need for another "name brand" 4 year institution other than UH within a generation.

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The UT renderings show added baseball and football fields. Would a research campus alone have a sports team?

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The UT renderings show added baseball and football fields. Would a research campus alone have a sports team?

 

Phillips 66's new headquarters' amenities will include a sports deck with putting greens and a soccer field...

 

Would a Fortune 500 company have a sports team?

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Phillips 66's new headquarters' amenities will include a sports deck with putting greens and a soccer field...

Would a Fortune 500 company have a sports team?

Baseball in the rendering is interesting though, since that's not as casual as a soccer field (which they show as well). To me, it implies some level of student life and possible housing. If no actual sports team, it seems like they're prepping for more than just a research institute. If so, I think the impact of this school on the surrounding areas (esp south main corridor) could get really interesting. There is a lot of (cheaper) land in large parcels around this part of town. Lots of older apartment complexes as well.

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Alright... Everyone ready for this....

(puts on tin foil hat)

What if UT doesn't want to buy that land in the SW... What if they want to instead purchase the KBR lot and adjacent MDI lot?!?!?

Look at the shape of the proposed layout... Very similar to the KBR and Adjacent MDI lots combined

The Ike funding is running out and no Mdi homes will be built on that lot in the near future....

Offices already in place on KBR site with utilities and sewage in place...

The KBR lot was freshly mowed a week ago. (first time in 2 years)....

(tin foil hat off)

No way this happens. UT to south west 100% going to happen

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If so, I think the impact of this school on the surrounding areas (esp south main corridor) could get really interesting. There is a lot of (cheaper) land in large parcels around this part of town. Lots of older apartment complexes as well.

Im very curious as to what affect this will have on the surrounding areas.

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Anyone remember that one rendering a while back that had the UT school being built out in Pearland. I think I remember seeing it in the older Shadow Creek Ranch renderings.

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Alright... Everyone ready for this....

(puts on tin foil hat)

What if UT doesn't want to buy that land in the SW... What if they want to instead purchase the KBR lot and adjacent MDI lot?!?!?

Look at the shape of the proposed layout... Very similar to the KBR and Adjacent MDI lots combined

The Ike funding is running out and no Mdi homes will be built on that lot in the near future....

Offices already in place on KBR site with utilities and sewage in place...

The KBR lot was freshly mowed a week ago. (first time in 2 years)....

(tin foil hat off)

No way this happens. UT to south west 100% going to happen

 

I think the a university / research center on the KBR site would be a great addition to the area. Like really great.

 

Maybe A&M can build a Houston campus there. You know the Aggies are going to get REALLY jealous about UT's shiny new Houston campus.

 

If the KBR site is 300.1 acres, then you can bank on the fact the Aggies will buy it as their Houston campus will be bigger and "better" than UT's. Then we can have 3 types of Aggies in the Houston area: Country Ags, City Ags and Sea Ags. What's not to love?

 

 [Kidding... sort of]

 

However, the SW location is superior IMO due to its proximity to the medical center and the current UT system infrastructure, the fact that its greenfield and the potential proximity to future light rail / commuter rail expansion.

 

 

 

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http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/2015/11/experts-weigh-in-on-how-much-ut-paid-for-prime.html

 

 

The University of Texas System announced Nov. 5 that its board of regents approved the purchase of more than 300 acres in southwest Houston. That land could be the catalyst for future development in the region, experts say.

 

The land itself is close to other major organizations and facilities, such as theTexas Medical Center and NRG Park. Almost more importantly, though, are plans for a light-rail line that will extend to the campus, said Tom Dosch, executive managing director for ARA Newmark.

 

Dosch and Dillon Mills, an analyst at ARA Newmark, speculated land that size could go anywhere between $3 to $5 per square foot. At 300 acres, that values the land somewhere between $39 million to $65 million. In addition, it's likely the deal comprised several dozen sellers, as the property is already divvied up, Mills said.

 

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"The land itself is close to other major organizations and facilities, such as theTexas Medical Center and NRG Park. Almost more importantly, though, are plans for a light-rail line that will extend to the campus, said Tom Dosch, executive managing director for ARA Newmark."

 

 

:o 

 

Does this mean the University line has more supporters now? I really hope so!!!

 

Edit- Sorry, forgot the university line would be much more north. Extension of red line or would it be the commuter line?

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If you look close at the rendering you can see the LR extension bending around the bottom of the property.  Is this coming off Belfort then connecting to 90?  post-11710-0-80390500-1447433290_thumb.j

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I'm hoping this encourages redevelopment along S. Main and Buffalo Speedway. For example, places like The Broadmead and Mainstream Apartments seem like they'd be ripe for redevelopment after this. I mean, look at all this potential student housing: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/29.6714916,-95.4247134/29.6721696,-95.4252312/@29.6836149,-95.425058,1523m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

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I'm hoping this encourages redevelopment along S. Main and Buffalo Speedway. For example, places like The Broadmead and Mainstream Apartments seem like they'd be ripe for redevelopment after this. I mean, look at all this potential student housing: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/29.6714916,-95.4247134/29.6721696,-95.4252312/@29.6836149,-95.425058,1523m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

 

I sure hope so, but I'm guessing this would be on a reasonably long timeframe.  I don't know much about those apartments along Westridge, but man there are a lot of them

 

Just imagine with this, a potentially re-purposed astrodome (?), the new TMC3 campus, the various other expansions ongoing in the med center, and things are really looking up for this part of town

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"The whole area south of 610 has lacked an end user that would springboard everything," Mills said. "Now you have a big end user that is a game changer for the area."


 

They said it - not me.

 

Since it's at the very end of the article, would it be considered a thinly veiled cliche?  :ph34r:

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http://www.chron.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/Concerns-over-UT-Houston-plan-growing-6641846.php

 

 

 

"There is room in Houston for multiple academic and research opportunities – in fact, a proliferation of these types of opportunities is endemic to a thriving, modern, world-class city," McRaven said. "This is about advancing Houston, and what that could mean not just for Texas, but for our nation. This is preparing for the future, not the present. One only has to look at the growth and impact of the Texas Medical Center to imagine the possibilities."
McRaven said UT's plans are not about competition. 

The new UT site in Houston could bring great opportunities, McRaven and Paredes agree -- including possible collaboration with public universities such as UH and Texas Southern and private schools like Rice and St. Thomas. "The University of Houston is a great institution – recognized by the Carnegie Foundation for its impressive research activity and becoming more nationally competitive every day," McRaven said. "Bringing more of UT to the city of Houston and creating an intellectual hub in the city in no way creates competition for the University of Houston, nor do we see this as a UT versus UH scenario."

 

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You really have to appreciate competence in leadership when you see it. I guess being an admiral in the Navy probably helps in the department, lol. Cheers Admiral McRaven

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he's saying the right things...hopefully they do the right thing...

 

Exactly, words are worth nothing. 

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http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/Is-UT-s-Houston-land-grab-illegal-6646162.php

 

 

After hearing Thursday that the University of Texas's purchase of 332 acres in Houston was a "land grab" and an "invasion" of UH territory, Tilman Fertitta, the chairman of the University of Houston board of regents, floated a question to the lawyer in the room.

 


"If we were to litigate, which side do you like?"

UH would be on "the side of the angels," Michael Olivas, director of UH's Institute for Higher Education Law and Governance, responded.

The state's higher education commissioner, Raymund Paredes, who oversees the coordinating board, has questioned whether such an expansion is a good use of state resources. Paredes told the Chronicle that he is worried a new UT site might create unnecessary competition for UH and might duplicate services in a major metropolitan area that already has several universities.

 

 

Interesting, that when the news first broke, this was the headline:

 

UH 'not worried' about UT's Houston move, just 'want respect' 
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I can understand both "sides" of the issue; UH has come a very long way to earn the same level of respect, as an institution, that UT has garnered for many years. No, it's not at that exact same level, but UH is doing great things and we can see a "boom" of sorts for the Uni in all areas.

Whereas, UT just wants a slice of that pie.

It speaks volumes to the state of higher education in Houston when UT wants to step up their game and build a campus of this size, while UH is right to remain cautious that this won't impede their expansion.

Idk about you guys, but the more higher education facilities we have in the city, the better.

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I can't say I'm the biggest fan of this. I bleed Cougar Red and I do think UT is sliding in here for nefarious and harmful reasons. If they wanted to expand their research in the city, why not add a tower or two to the UTMB cluster in the Med Ctr and focus on what their presence here has always been about. Just saying....

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I use to live in the neighbourhood off West Belfort and Metro had plans for a commuter light rail running out to Missouri City.  So I don't see them commenting on this unless it changes what they had planned.  They have already modified W. Belfort in some areas that will be how the traffic pattern will become after the rail, but it is not going to happen for several years.  It's nice to see something other then apartments proposed as that is how the lots seemed to get getting built out in that area.  Below are links to the metro info.

 

https://www.ridemetro.org/MetroPDFs/AboutMETRO/CurrentProjects/90A%20Southwest%20Rail/US90A_Newsletter_May2012_06.pdf

 

https://www.ridemetro.org/Pages/90A-Southwest_RailCorridor.aspx

 

 

will Metro itself ever make an announcement on these "potential plans"? They've been pretty quiet in regards to anything new for a while.

 

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I'm still a little confused about what UH is worried about. If someone wants a UT degree today they currently leave Houston. Now, we'll just have more students stay in Houston. It will make for a more vibrant city and could enhance UH by encouraging more redevelopment in the third ward. They'd anchor a triangle (Rice, UT, UH) that could host thousands of students and encourage even more student life.

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The alarmists on this thread make it sound like UH is a crappy school with poor funding who can't compete against UT. If UH is in that bad of shape then your arguments are wanting me to get UT even more. Houston needs top universities and if UH is in that bad of shape then we need UT in this city.

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More whining...  Are any Rice or other non-UH graduates against UT's plans?  Just curious

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/State-reps-ask-UT-to-step-back-from-Houston-6692292.php

 

So is there any way (through public records or other) to verify when/if UT closes on the land?  I've tried some online searching on the County Clerk's office but no luck

 

 

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^^^ we shall build.. we shall grow.. we shall dominate...


no entity nowhere shall stop us.


we're TEXAS.  what we do here changes the world...


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Hmm...  I'm starting to see a common theme here:

 

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12/lawmaker-asks-coordinating-board-to-stop-uts-expansion-into-houston.html/

 

 

Rep. Carol Alvarado, D-Houston, said in a letter to Paredes on Wednesday that the board should stop the UT System from moving forward with its plans. She wrote that UT System’s decision to purchase the land without receiving the commissioner’s or the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board’s approval “undermines and weakens” the commissioner’s authority on higher education in the state.

 

Carol Alvarado:  UH graduate

 

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12/texas-senator-objects-to-ut-systems-houston-expansion.html/

 

 

“In all candor, in my 42 years of service in the Texas Legislature, I have not seen such an affront to the legislative process and the conservative deliberations of the higher education community,” Whitmire wrote in his strongly worded letter.

 

John Whitmire:  UH graduate

 

 

The article posted earlier today had 19 signatures including Sylvester Turner (UH grad) and Alvarado.  Granted, a lot of the others are not from UH, but the grumblings from some of these folks makes me wonder whether they are more interested in what's best for the city of Houston or their alma mater.  From what I've read it doesn't seem that the purchase can actually be blocked, but I don't like the fact that Turner signed

 

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they want what's best for their alma mater - that much is obvious. there are no real negatives to the proposed UT Research Campus at all.

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they want what's best for their alma mater - that much is obvious. there are no real negatives to the proposed UT Research Campus at all.

 

Check out the stuff I posted two above you...no real negatives?

You see what you want to see.

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I honestly think this will enhance whatever's going on at TMC. The two sites are separated by 3 miles as the crow flies, and already have light rail-ready infrastructure between them.

Thats not my point. The Texas Medical Centers plan for their research campus was

very dependent on U.T. and its muscle and money and now it looks as if UT is going

to create its own research center and more than likely blow off the TMC.

I mean why would they invest that kind of money and then duplicate their efforts

with TMC?

Trust me this will lessen the chances of TMC's research center without UT's

involvement.

Read the TMC literature about their project and you will se they were counting on UT.

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swtsig

I respect your knowledge and appreciate your fairness in your response, however I do think there is a

negative, and no one seems to want to address my question about what this will do to the plans to build the new TMC research campus that was planned with UT as a major player. They won't do both.

Its not just U of H that would be affected.

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swtsig

I respect your knowledge and appreciate your fairness in your response, however I do think there is a

negative, and no one seems to want to address my question about what this will do to the plans to build the new TMC research campus that was planned with UT as a major player. They won't do both.

Its not just U of H that would be affected.

Bob, other people have responded to your question if you haven't seen it yet, but just to reiterate; this isn't for UT med and will most likely coincide with the TMC 3 expansion.

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swtsig

I respect your knowledge and appreciate your fairness in your response, however I do think there is a

negative, and no one seems to want to address my question about what this will do to the plans to build the new TMC research campus that was planned with UT as a major player. They won't do both.

Its not just U of H that would be affected.

As much as I would like the TMC3 Campus to come to fruition it is still very much so just a concept. The TMC does not have funding for the development and UT or any of the other institutions have signed on for the campus.

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As much as I would like the TMC3 Campus to come to fruition it is still very much so just a concept. The TMC does not have funding for the development and UT or any of the other institutions have signed on for the campus.

Bob, other people have responded to your question if you haven't seen it yet, but just to reiterate; this isn't for UT med and will most likely coincide with the TMC 3 expansion.

Thank you both for your clarification and sorry if I mussed it.

I hope your both right.

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As someone that went to neither school, my two cents are that if this new campus threatens TMC3 then I am firmly against it. With no disrespect, I would much rather have (and think it would be much better for the city to have) TMC3 than another UT Arlington or insert other sataleite UT campus. Those UT satellites are fine schools, but it would not be a "game changers" here in Houston. TMC3 might not be either, but it's got a chance. I would like to see a clear statement from UT on TMC3.

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Just a thought: This campus has been advertised as a "research" campus. The qualifier indicates that the campus would not function as a traditional four-year university. It follows, then, that the campus would not compete for undergraduate admissions. It may plausibly attract some local graduate students or faculty who might otherwise choose UH. However, academic recruitment at the graduate and faculty level typically draws from a national or international pool of applicants, especially for highly-competitive, well-funded departments.

 

Anyone familiar with the academic job market will know that there is a surplus of highly-qualified graduate students, post-docs, and faculty in the United States and abroad. The University of Texas System has access to tremendous resources (probably inequitable access, as some have noted) in the PUF, which has only grown larger thanks to the fracking boom. They are proposing to invest these otherwise untapped resources in Houston; recruit a national pool of talented, yet underutilized applicants to Houston; and presumably bring greater federal and private research grants to Houston. This is intellectual and financial capital that would simply go unused or go elsewhere.

 

The end result should be more academic faculty, more highly-qualified students, more research dollars, and more capital investment in the Houston area, all in addition to the important growth occurring at the University of Houston. The centers of innovation in this country were preceded by a concentration of top-notch academic institutions and subsequent growth in the knowledge class: Silicon Valley and North Carolina's Research Triangle come to mind. Why can't we have this, too?

 

And I say all this as an Aggie.

 

Now, would it be more sensible to instead simply share the PUF more equally? Perhaps. But that's a separate, if germane, discussion.

 

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As someone that went to neither school, my two cents are that if this new campus threatens TMC3 then I am firmly against it. With no disrespect, I would much rather have (and think it would be much better for the city to have) TMC3 than another UT Arlington or insert other sataleite UT campus. Those UT satellites are fine schools, but it would not be a "game changers" here in Houston. TMC3 might not be either, but it's got a chance. I would like to see a clear statement from UT on TMC3.

This would only further encourage TMC3 to happen. A nearby talent pool of healthcare graduates and researchers available to be hired on by core institutions and new biotech companies is a win for everyone.

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Seems like a lot of posters need to take a look at what UT Is actually proposing. Hint: it's not UT-Houston or any other sort of full degree-granting campus.

 

Now if only we could have our elected officials do the same.

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Seems like a lot of posters need to take a look at what UT Is actually proposing. Hint: it's not UT-Houston or any other sort of full degree-granting campus.

Fair point. I was being charitable. I should have said I would rather have TMC3 than something even worse than UT-Arlington, which as you note is what is being proposed.. If it won't affect the funding of TMC3, then let's hear that from UT officials.

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Although specific plans for the land have not yet been decided, ChancellorWilliam McRaven called it a game changer for Houston, the UT System and the state of Texas.

“This will not be a University of Texas at Houston. Rather, it will be an ‘intellectual hub’ for UT — an opportunity for all our campuses to take advantage of the Houston professionals in the fields of medicine, energy, engineering, business, aerospace, health care and the arts,” McRaven said in prepared remarks to the board of regents on Nov. 5.

Early next year, McRaven will convene a task force of civic leaders, legislators, academic and health presidents, faculty, students and regents, along with other constituents, to begin the planning process for the property.

“We have educational and research gems across our UT System portfolio that, if leveraged with key sectors of health, energy and business in Houston, will allow us to accelerate discoveries and expand research and educational opportunities — complementing our existing UT health institutions — and significantly grow our state’s economic competitiveness,” McRaven said in a Nov. 5 statement.

 

Other “quantum leaps” within the strategic plan listed within the statement are:

  • The Texas Prospect Initiative to foster unprecedented levels of engagement and collaboration between higher education and preK-12, with a focus on improving literacy;
  • The creation of the American Leadership Program, which will make leadership and ethics training part of the core curriculum for all students at UT institutions;
  • Renewed investment in bringing world-class faculty to UT institutions;
  • A laser focus on enhancing fairness and opportunity for women and minorities in leadership positions at UT institutions;
  • Developing a UT Health Care Enterprise to leverage UT System’s size and expertise to improve the health of Texas and beyond;
  • Expanding research into brain health by investing more into the existing, revolutionary programs at several UT institutions, establishing another at UT Austin, and tying efforts together to accelerate discoveries and treatments for diseases of the brain;
  • Building a UT Network for National Security, a systemwide alliance that will confront the world’s most vexing problems facing our nation.

 

 

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