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It's probably where their leasing office is...not trying to be a debbie downer, but yeah...

Could be.

That'd be one GIGANTIC, oddly- and multiply-divided, poorly-placed (with respect to parking), incredibly over-plumbed leasing office!

Though I do agree, that'd be a huge leasing office. But, looking at properties like Camden City Center and Amli City Vista - the huge leasing office/reception/common space is becoming pretty standard. Usually a nice large kitchen that tenants can reserve, some shared gaming areas, etc. I don't know that retail would be sneaking into this space, makes sense to have leasing on the ground floor and also nice to see the concrete barrier between the reception and the apartments.

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Wow I just realized that was the old Tavern site. Me and a friend of mine used to go there all the time for the 50 cent Lone Star on Monday nights. I'm extremely happy this location is becoming an apartment complex. That lot was so f'd up.

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Wow, did Hanover sneak some retail in there?!! It appears there might be some retail space on Waugh, or, at least, something besides parking. Could be residential, I suppose. They've framed this section out differently than the rest of the ground floor and there is plumbing in the spaces.

Is this the complex that said they were building the street-front first floor so that it could easily be converted to retail when there was market for it?

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Is this the complex that said they were building the street-front first floor so that it could easily be converted to retail when there was market for it?

I think that was Milhaus in East Midtown.

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This building is foul.  They got their variance to build up to the street and then put something this flat, bland, and unintersting right in your face?  You have to work hard to be this boring.  There is nothing to break the smooth -- no balconies, nothing indented, nothing interesting at all.  Something, anything, would be better.  I never thought I'd catch myself yearning for Houston's worst design cliches, but at least lick and stick stone, keystones without arches, fake storm shutters and turrets break the monotony.   I never thought those things could have any value until I saw this thing.   Let me paraphrase Larry Sobchek -- say what you will about crappy design cliches, but at least its an ethos.  There must be big courtyards or something on the inside, right?  Right? Driving past this thing makes me feel like I'm in a prison yard.  Of all the cookie cutter 5-7 story compelxes going up, this one managed to distinguish itself by taking bland and somehow making it even blander.  Its aggressively boring.  I just keep thinking someone must have made a mistake -- like they got to then end and then went, "Oh crap, balconies!! I knew we forgot something!"  I can't imagine the developer even feigned interest in the design of this place.  Could the design budget have been any less?  Such a shame to put this blight in a great spot.

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At least it's all brick/stone on the exterior which has a timeless architectural appeal.  Let's hope the planned landscaping will make it a tad bit more appealing.  :blush:

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I like it. It's great urban infill; I don't miss the big parking lot surrounding the old bar

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At least it's all brick/stone on the exterior which has a timeless architectural appeal.  Let's hope the planned landscaping will make it a tad bit more appealing.  :blush:

 

But it's actually not all brick and stone.  Hanover is putting in hardy-plank siding on the downtown facing edge.  It's purely an effort to be cheap, since they think that side is less visible (but you can still see it if you drive away from downtown on W Gray).  Whoever was on the design team for this structure should be fired.  A completely unimaginative, stale product showing no creativity or effort at all.  This development takes Hanover's reputation down a notch.

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But it's actually not all brick and stone.  Hanover is putting in hardy-plank siding on the downtown facing edge.  It's purely an effort to be cheap, since they think that side is less visible (but you can still see it if you drive away from downtown on W Gray).  Whoever was on the design team for this structure should be fired.  A completely unimaginative, stale product showing no creativity or effort at all.  This development takes Hanover's reputation down a notch.

 

Every one seems to forget that when this project broke ground there was nothing else being built anywhere; no one could get financing. If Hanover had to cut corners to get this project off the ground so be it; they found a way to do what no one else could at the time.

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Every one seems to forget that when this project broke ground there was nothing else being built anywhere; no one could get financing. If Hanover had to cut corners to get this project off the ground so be it; they found a way to do what no one else could at the time.

 

What in the world are you talking about?

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Hanover secured the equity and debt financing for this project in early 2011, that was not easy at the time.

Hanover did have to take their developments down a notch, but that's what the financial markets required at the time - it was just smart business.

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Hanover secured the equity and debt financing for this project in early 2011, that was not easy at the time.

Hanover did have to take their developments down a notch, but that's what the financial markets required at the time - it was just smart business.

 

Well if smart business is simply making short-term profits, then I suppose you're correct.  Many would also argue that one's reputation for quality can also be "smart business".  In any event, hardy-plank is hardly the mark of a quality developer. 

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There were over 6,200 units under construction in 2011 in Houston!

 

Greystar, Dinerstein, Archstone, Morgan Group, Gables, Martin Fein, Jonathan Farb, Sueba, Post, and other large apartment developers were all in the game with Hanover. 

 

Heck, financing was so relatively easy here compared to the rest of the nation and the market was so hot, that 2011 is when HINES announced he's be entering the game.

 

Hanover went cheap but not because they had to.



There were over 6,200 units under construction in 2011 in Houston!

 

Greystar, Dinerstein, Archstone, Morgan Group, Gables, Martin Fein, Jonathan Farb, Sueba, Post, and other large apartment developers were all in the game with Hanover. 

 

Heck, financing was so relatively easy here compared to the rest of the nation and the market was so hot, that 2011 is when HINES announced he'd be entering the game.

 

Hanover went cheap but not because they had to.

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IIRC, this property had some very challenging design issues due to a storm sewer running underneath the property and went for years trying to get it done without being developed prior to 2011.  Hanover was not the first developer that tried to get something done there.

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It doesn't look half bad. It's almost complete

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It doesn't look half bad. It's almost complete

 

Man, I can't stand this thing. It reminds me of the Harris County jail Downtown (that building is even better looking) or a college dormitory.

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At the risk of getting jumped by Mister X again, this design is trash.  Hanover really cut corners with this one and it shows.  Sorry.

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Ya it's pretty much garbage... leaving it entirely flat with no balconies makes it look very institutional, just like brian0123 said. at least give us something with some character - this is just a building.

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Man, I can't stand this thing. It reminds me of the Harris County jail Downtown (that building is even better looking) or a college dormitory.

 

Exactly -- I was thinking prison, as well.  I wonder if armed marksmen will sit atop the pillars on the 4 corners....and will there be a recreational yard in the middle?  Can guests arrive for conjugal visits on the weekends?

 

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King Owl, I'm just happy you think of me before you post anything now. It's both and honor and a boost to my already incredibly big, over inflated ego.  Sorry if I hurt your feelings the other day. 

 

But I swear, I don't remember telling anyone they couldn't have an opinion. Not to sound paranoid, but that is just another misconception spread by another one (not King Owl) of my many, many jealous enemies at HAIF who is out to DESTROY me!  :ph34r:

 

This building does nothing for me. But I didn't expect anything from it. So you all have my permission in this case to rip it to shreds if it makes you happy and allows you get on with your lives. The only positives I can draw from this project (at the risk of saying anything positive)(I know that is frowned upon on the internet) is that at least it doesn't have a big parking lot between it and the street. It's strictly filler material. But at least it's 2010's urban-looking filler material and not out of date 1970s suburban garden style filler material. So it is a baby step in the right direction.

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That is funny!

Keep in mind this is one of those projects that is coming online during a boom period, but it was conceived in the middle of the worst recession in decades, when credit was next to impossible to come by.

So yes, Hanover cut corners, but they had to make this building super efficient and, yes, cheap in order to get it off the ground.

Kudos to them for being able to make this happen when they did, even if it looks like a county jail!

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Are you guys gonna have another dick waving contest? Or do we need to put you in corners of shame :)

 

You wish... :P

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All of Hanover's buildings are tired. No creativity whatsoever - space fillers. Hanover must be pretty boring and tired himself. He probably commissions middle and high school students to design his buildings.

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All of Hanover's buildings are tired. No creativity whatsoever - space fillers. Hanover must be pretty boring and tired himself. He probably commissions middle and high school students to design his buildings.

 

The Lofts on Post Oak is a pretty nice looking building IMO.

Not very well constructed from what I have seen, but it fits the area pretty well.

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