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Carnegie Vanguard High School Site Approved

December 17, 2009

HISD has been planning a replacement campus for Carnegie Vanguard High School since 2007, when it was made a part of the Facilities Capital Program. On December 10, 2009, the Board of Education approved building the replacement school on vacant district-owned property just south of the Gregory-Lincoln Education Center.

Carnegie Vanguard High School is currently located on the former Carnegie Elementary School campus at Scott Street and Airport Boulevard, adjacent to Sims Bayou. A new location for the school was decided on for several reasons. Most of that property and the surrounding area are within a Harris County Flood Control flood plain. Replacing Carnegie Vanguard on the same site would require relocating students to an off-site temporary campus during construction. There would also be additional costs and a reduction in usable land area related to building in the flood plain. Construction time and costs for the Gregory-Lincoln site will be reduced because the work will not involve demolition of existing buildings or relocation of students to a temporary campus. In addition, students attending Carnegie Vanguard come from all parts of the district, so a central location like the one the board approved will be more accessible to the majority of students and reduce transportation costs. Also, Carnegie Vanguard and Gregory-Lincoln can combine their separate parking facilities for evening events, and the Gregory-Lincoln kitchen could prepare meals for both schools.

Located at Taft and West Gray, the new Carnegie Vanguard site was originally purchased for replacement of the High School for Performing and Visual Arts. However, other locations that are even more favorable for HSPVA are being considered, and private fund-raising, to match future district funding, is gaining momentum. "I am confident that this new arrangement will be beneficial to everyone concerned," said Superintendent of Schools Terry B. Grier.

Article clipped from the www.hisd.org website and posted by:

K M

Harris County, Precinct 33

Presiding Judge

To learn more about Carnegie Vanguard HS click on http://www.vanguard ian.org/

this was a post on my neighborhood yahoo group--

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Wow, this is exciting news. The building was the big drawback to that school, in my view. I'm so glad there will be a new building, and right in Montrose!

Wasn't that site where they were going to put the new HSPVA? But that was delayed because it was historically significant? (an African-American cemetery, if I remember correctly?)

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A central location for Carnegie Vanguard does make sense. The best thing about CVHS is that I was able to recruit a graduate to my undergrad 4 years ago!

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Wasn't that site where they were going to put the new HSPVA? But that was delayed because it was historically significant? (an African-American cemetery, if I remember correctly?)

When my kid was enrolled at Lamar (during Katrina) and I was on the PTO board--This is what was generally talked about--and even went a step further after Lamar enrollment was shut down with Katrina kids-(--no kidding--no new children where being accepted--even if you moved in next door to Lamar--) that the HSPVA would have a new building at that location and the old HSPVA would open as a 9th grade only from Lamar to help ease over crowding--

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Mr. Moss, the principal, announced they are planning an "open house" type meeting tentatively scheduled for Saturday, 02/06, at Lincoln Gregory Education Center to get feedback on plans and wishes for the new campus. This would be for all students, parents and interested community members from the area.

Carnegie Vanguard High School new building page

http://www.facebook .com/group. php?gid=22621314 3501

The architectural firm for the project is Rey de la Reza - RdlR Architects, Inc. They were responsible for the renovation and new building at Reagan High School.

Possible proposed timeline:

1/2010 - 1/2011 Start & Finish plans (about 12 mths from now)

1/2011 - 6/2012 - Start and Fnish construction (about 18 mths) - might be 2 or 3 mths shorter - but ready for folks for August 2012 school year

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That would be excellent if they could save the Settegast Bldg. Certainly preservation is the biggest green thing one can do and should help in their LEED certification process.

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When's construction suppose to start?

Soon. They expect to initiate the 2012-13 school year there.

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Does anyone know what was on that block of land before HISD acquired it?

I lived 2 or 3 blocks off of Gray back in the early 70's but I have no idea what used to be in this location.

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I HATE this location. Carnegie Vanguard is an excellent school and its current location is terrible but this thing should have been built in either midtown or downtown adjacent (near the Dynamo Stadium?) to take advantage of better transit access to ALL kids. Additionally, the area where this is going up is zoned to Lamar High School which is already one of the best public schools in the area (not just within HISD).

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I live a few blocks away, and am not excited about the added traffic, but it will be better that the field that is there now. what's the rule about how close a bar can be to a school? obviously all the existing bars will be grandfathered, but this may prevent the land across the street (the old dr's office) and the empty land on gray west of the Wet Spot from getting developed as bars (gregory lincoln may have already prevented bars at those locations, but byzantio's is so close, i doubt it).

agree that it would have made more sense to put this school closer to better public transportation.

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Does anyone know what was on that block of land before HISD acquired it?

I lived 2 or 3 blocks off of Gray back in the early 70's but I have no idea what used to be in this location.

Some houses, some small businesses. one of the property owners fought like mad to prevent HISD from taking his peoperty.

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Some houses, some small businesses. one of the property owners fought like mad to prevent HISD from taking his peoperty.

I remember that. The man's father had built the house in the 20's or 30's and it had been their family home ever since. He didn't dispute HISD's use of eminent domain; he just asked that he be allowed to live there until actual construction was to begin.

But no. Some heartless bureaucrat decided that the demolition should be done immediately, so that the land could remain vacant for ten years. There's some people you just want to slap.

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this is interesting... if anyone finds any information about the zoning rule regarding bars and schools please post it.

I live a few blocks away, and am not excited about the added traffic, but it will be better that the field that is there now. what's the rule about how close a bar can be to a school? obviously all the existing bars will be grandfathered, but this may prevent the land across the street (the old dr's office) and the empty land on gray west of the Wet Spot from getting developed as bars (gregory lincoln may have already prevented bars at those locations, but byzantio's is so close, i doubt it).

agree that it would have made more sense to put this school closer to better public transportation.

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I HATE this location. Carnegie Vanguard is an excellent school and its current location is terrible but this thing should have been built in either midtown or downtown adjacent (near the Dynamo Stadium?) to take advantage of better transit access to ALL kids. Additionally, the area where this is going up is zoned to Lamar High School which is already one of the best public schools in the area (not just within HISD).

Quickly looking at the CV website, it calls itself the only ALL gifted/talented high school in Houston. That puts it in the same category as HSHP and HSPVA which I believe are classified as magnets. They have no zoned students so public transit does not matter. All those students are eligible for HISD bus transportation. Entrance exams must be taken by the students, it's not just a matter of standardized tests as both Health Professions and PVA have their own requirements and according to the CV site, they will have an entrance exam too. Students accepted will also have bus transportation furnished.

Of course, things may have changed since I last dealt with HISD and their magnet programs.

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I HATE this location. Carnegie Vanguard is an excellent school and its current location is terrible but this thing should have been built in either midtown or downtown adjacent (near the Dynamo Stadium?) to take advantage of better transit access to ALL kids. Additionally, the area where this is going up is zoned to Lamar High School which is already one of the best public schools in the area (not just within HISD).

I agree... Carnegie deserves a beautiful new school, and I love Montrose, but Montrose is a PIA to get to from anywhere else in town.

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Quickly looking at the CV website, it calls itself the only ALL gifted/talented high school in Houston. That puts it in the same category as HSHP and HSPVA which I believe are classified as magnets. They have no zoned students so public transit does not matter. All those students are eligible for HISD bus transportation. Entrance exams must be taken by the students, it's not just a matter of standardized tests as both Health Professions and PVA have their own requirements and according to the CV site, they will have an entrance exam too. Students accepted will also have bus transportation furnished.

Of course, things may have changed since I last dealt with HISD and their magnet programs.

Yes, bus transportation is provided, but it will take those buses long to get there with no nearby freeways, making a long day for the kids. Plus, there is constant murmuring about cutting bus transport to magnet schools.

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this is interesting... if anyone finds any information about the zoning rule regarding bars and schools please post it.

From the TABC site http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/faq/general.asp cities can pass ordinances regarding distances between schools and sales of alcohol. Search the City of Houston websites to get to the ordinance.

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Quickly looking at the CV website, it calls itself the only ALL gifted/talented high school in Houston. That puts it in the same category as HSHP and HSPVA which I believe are classified as magnets. They have no zoned students so public transit does not matter. All those students are eligible for HISD bus transportation. Entrance exams must be taken by the students, it's not just a matter of standardized tests as both Health Professions and PVA have their own requirements and according to the CV site, they will have an entrance exam too. Students accepted will also have bus transportation furnished.

Of course, things may have changed since I last dealt with HISD and their magnet programs.

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This location is a step up from the current location, but it is simply too close to HSPVA, Law/Criminal Justice, and Lamar in my opinion. I just think it would have been a better move to place it in a more central location and one in which the area could have used the boost a bit more (East side of downtown for instance along the new rail line).

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This job just had sub bids on 02/22/11. In the project documents it lists the start date as June 1 with a construction schedule of 15 months.

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This job just had sub bids on 02/22/11. In the project documents it lists the start date as June 1 with a construction schedule of 15 months.

great news, thanks for the update

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I wonder if this will be just one more benefit to draw families to the inner city.

Dbigtex, take a look at the rendeirng, I might be overly optimistic but I am pretty sure that the "Fine Arts Center in Existing Building" at the bottom right of the page is indeed the Settegast Estate building you are talking about.

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Dbigtex, take a look at the rendeirng, I might be overly optimistic but I am pretty sure that the "Fine Arts Center in Existing Building" at the bottom right of the page is indeed the Settegast Estate building you are talking about.

Im 100 percent sure you are right DrLan34, the Settegast Estate building is the exact shape, size and dimensions as showed on the rendering. That would be awesome for them to be able to preserve part of history and give it a nice face lift smile.gif

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Im 100 percent sure you are right DrLan34, the Settegast Estate building is the exact shape, size and dimensions as showed on the rendering. That would be awesome for them to be able to preserve part of history and give it a nice face lift smile.gif

On the construction drawings this building is called the Settegast Building. I have to say that it is not much of a fine arts space. The theater is tiny compared to what most high schools have.

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It's been its own school - not part of Jones - since 2002. As long as it's been Carnegie, it's been separate from Jones. When it was part of Jones, it was just a Vanguard program at Jones.

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So again, why build a new campus when you have one now?

Its said to see 4th ward just destroyed....if something major happens and people leave 4th ward in droves similar to how they did 3rd ward, south park, etc., what plans are in place to prevent those condos from being overran?

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The current campus is on the South side of town, and difficult to get to for the students coming from the far reaches of the disttrict. The new campus is centrally located, and reduces overall travel times.

The 4th Ward is gone. There's very little left. The people left in droves 10 years ago or more. Housing density there is far less than what it used to be.

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And how is this destroying 4th ward? It's being built on what is currently a vacant lot, and the one building that is there, the Settegast Building, is currently boarded up and is being renovated as a fine arts center for this school. I really don't see how this can be seen as anything but positive.

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centrally located? DT isn't exactly the easiest place to get to if you live far. It's easier to get to CV now as no traffic is going down Scott Street compared to DT.

Why didn't these "developers" imporve the conditions for the folks living there then...seems like they were concerned with filling a quota and that was imporving the AP Village to shut folks up and then raze everything else.

To me, its ugly now with a stucco townhouse on a small street jammed into a lot its not built for next to small row houses.

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centrally located? DT isn't exactly the easiest place to get to if you live far. It's easier to get to CV now as no traffic is going down Scott Street compared to DT.

Why didn't these "developers" imporve the conditions for the folks living there then...seems like they were concerned with filling a quota and that was imporving the AP Village to shut folks up and then raze everything else.

To me, its ugly now with a stucco townhouse on a small street jammed into a lot its not built for next to small row houses.

HISD is huge. The current location of Carnegie is bad for anyone who lives North of I-10 or West of the Loop.

The developers sole purpose in the 4th Ward was to make money. The old shotgun houses were often owned by people who didn't live in the neighborhood, and had no interest in anything other than making money off their property. Anyone who thought the old ways would continue were naive.

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I noticed some construction equipment and a few tents on the lot when i rolled by after lunch... maybe the ground breaking ceremony?

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i learned something new today: having new housing, responsible citizens, and a new school is considered worse than have pimps, prostitutes, shootings, run down buildings, and vacant lots. who would have figured?

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But now, instead of folks making conditions better for them, your now running them off to areas that aren't used to the city elements and then you create another situation..

The reason why Fondren, Antoine, Sharpstown, 1960 @ I-45, Greenspoint is what it is because people ran folks away from certain areas and dropped them in places that aren't/weren't designed to handle what goes on in urban areas.

When they built those big homes in that area, there wasn't a transient population walking the street....but lo and behold, when folks started losing their homes for whatever reason in DT, they were sent to those places due to bus line and cheap housing/apartments.

What happens now? The original folks get tired and move out to far-flung suburbs miles away from the city and now those areas designed for one thing are taken over and have trouble adjusting to a different demographic...

All from a simple little school

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ask someone who bought a house off Fondren or Antoine blocks from run down complexes only to see their value drop and see what they'll tell you...

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What are you even talking about? How does that relate to this situation? You are saying that an attractive school being built on an empty lot is going to somehow destroy this neighborhood. That makes no sense at all.

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But now, instead of folks making conditions better for them, your now running them off to areas that aren't used to the city elements and then you create another situation..

The reason why Fondren, Antoine, Sharpstown, 1960 @ I-45, Greenspoint is what it is because people ran folks away from certain areas and dropped them in places that aren't/weren't designed to handle what goes on in urban areas.

When they built those big homes in that area, there wasn't a transient population walking the street....but lo and behold, when folks started losing their homes for whatever reason in DT, they were sent to those places due to bus line and cheap housing/apartments.

What happens now? The original folks get tired and move out to far-flung suburbs miles away from the city and now those areas designed for one thing are taken over and have trouble adjusting to a different demographic...

All from a simple little school

The residents of the 4th Ward were run off long before the decision to move CVS was made. Gregory-Lincoln, at the North end of that tract has been there for decades.

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why wasn't an effort made to retain the history of the area and keep the residents around? They could just add on to Lincoln and have Carnegie attend there....

4th ward is an example of gentrification that benefits developers in the short-term.....5th ward is right around the corner with more land, are they scared to go over there?

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not sure what point you are trying to make, but to answer your question, yes, they are scared to build in the 5th ward because it's still too dangerous. the 5th ward is still what the 4th ward was in 1999. hopefully, over time, 5th ward will also be revitalized.

as an aside, the subsidized housing in the 4th ward needs to go too. hopefully when the tax incentives expire for those houses, the property taxes will become too high, and they can be demolished too. (for that matter, just get rid of the remnants of allen parkway village entirely--that property is way too valuable for its current use.)

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why wasn't an effort made to retain the history of the area and keep the residents around?

What are you talking about? No one is being run off by this project. You seem to have this odd idea that if this school is built, everyone who lives there will be forced to leave.

And as far as retaining the history, the Settegast Building is being renovated because of this project. That's retaining history. It probably would've been just as easy for them to demolish the building.

They could just add on to Lincoln and have Carnegie attend there....

Carnegie started as part of Jones, and they are their own school. No one associated with Carnegie is willing to give up being their own school to go back to just being part of another school again.

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Biggest difference is that 5th ward residents are landowners as opposed to 4th ward which were easy to run off. Some folks have got bold and tried townhome projects in 5th ward and alot sit empty also.

Yall see it as new buildings and $$$...I see it that the residents have to move elsewhere and usually its a suburban area not designed to handle an influx of city folks.

You close Allen Parkway Village, where do they go? Lets fill some of those empty high rises along Allen parkway then

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BYall see it as new buildings and $$$...I see it that the residents have to move elsewhere and usually its a suburban area not designed to handle an influx of city folks.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why do you think they have to move? No one is being forced out of their homes.

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