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Walmart at Yale & I-10: For or Against  

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  1. 1. Q1: Regarding the proposed WalMart at Yale and I-10:

    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      41
    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      54
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      30
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      26
    • Undecided
      9
  2. 2. Q2: If/when this proposed WalMart is built at Yale & I-10

    • I am FOR this WalMart and will shop at this WalMart
      45
    • I am FOR this WalMart but will not shop at this WalMart
      23
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart but will shop at this WalMart
      7
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart and will not shop at this WalMart
      72
    • Undecided
      13
  3. 3. Q3: WalMart in general

    • I am Pro-Walmart
      16
    • I am Anti-Walmart
      63
    • I don't care either way
      72
    • Undecided
      9

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I'm confused on how the weight reduction has anything to do with the walmart and trucks... the 18 wheelers weren't supposed to use that bridge anyway...

however your 4,000 lb prius with 2,000 lbs of smugness driving continously over the bridge in search of walmart trucks will definitely put the bridge at risk.

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I'm confused on how the weight reduction has anything to do with the walmart and trucks... the 18 wheelers weren't supposed to use that bridge anyway...

however your 4,000 lb prius with 2,000 lbs of smugness driving continously over the bridge in search of walmart trucks will definitely put the bridge at risk.

Don't forget to account for the weight associated with the bridge patrollers being completely full of sh**. I'm sure that is good for another 200lbs or so depending on the individual and their preferred brand of adult diaper.

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I'm confused on how the weight reduction has anything to do with the walmart and trucks... the 18 wheelers weren't supposed to use that bridge anyway...

however your 4,000 lb prius with 2,000 lbs of smugness driving continously over the bridge in search of walmart trucks will definitely put the bridge at risk.

But they have been using the bridge. As have lots of construction vehicles coming and going from the Walmart site. Those who do not live in internet message board fantasy land understand that it takes 50-60 18 wheelers a week to keep a Walmart supercenter stocked and that those drivers cannot be trusted to take an alternate route every time. Walmart needs that bridge to be upgraded more than anyone. Yale St. is the easiest route for their 18 wheeler traffic. I saw an 18 wheeler try to make the turn from Heights south to Koehler to get to the development the other day. It was a joke. They had to swing out wide and use both lanes of Heights and then had to use both lanes of Koehler for about 50-100 yards before being able to get the rig back into the proper lane. Luckily, no one was waiting for the light on Koehler. Otherwise, the big rig would have had to sit and block traffic on Heights and wait for traffic to clear out on Koehler.

I even saw a Walmart truck sitting parked on S. Heights/Waugh south just before it merges with Yale before Memorial this weekend. It looked like the truck took Koehler to Heights to get out of the development and wanted to take Memorial west to continue on its route. Of course, you cannot take Memorial west bound from S.Heights/Waugh because the exit is before the merge. And you cannot take Heights to Washington to Yale St. because there is no left turn from Washington to Yale south. And they cannot take Yale south because the rail bridge is too low for 18 wheelers. So, this truck just sat in the middle of the road, looking around to try to figure out how they were going to get out of there.

It was abundantly clear to anyone who claimed to be a responsible adult that the Yale St. bridge was critical to Walmart being able to get its 18 wheelers in and out of the development back almost three years ago when they first started looking at the location as a big box anchored development. Had adults been in charge, 380 money could have been dedicated to rebuilding the bridge. The bridge could have been completed as fast as the developer wanted and before the development opened to the public. Now, many are wondering whether the bridge is being kept open longer than it should to give Walmart a few years to establish itself before having to endure a long bridge closure and loss of business due to the traffic obstruction.

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Had adults been in charge, 380 money could have been dedicated to rebuilding the bridge. The bridge could have been completed as fast as the developer wanted and before the development opened to the public.

Right.....

The bridge could have been stood up in a matter of weeks with not a peep from those hell-bent on spinning the world backwards to a better architectural time. You hate Wal-Mart, and will take every opportunity not to miss an opportunity to stick the knife back in them. I'm sure your already readying your protest to the FAA in the case they have to air-drop Fritos via Chinooks.

Maybe the next move should be teaching all the Heights school children the words to "Yale Street Bridge is falling down"

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...Now, many are wondering whether the bridge is being kept open longer than it should to give Walmart a few years to establish itself....

Now that's a hoot, I didn't think you had a sense of humor.

But seriously, refering to your verbal traffic map, you didn't mention Shepherd/Durham exit.....take it south to Washington, and then east to say Bonner where one could add a rail crossing right into Wal-Mart. Do not presume successful corporations do not employ adult thinkers. Get out into the real world and you will meet many smart people who are way ahead of you on this issue, contrary to your condescending posts.

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Now that's a hoot, I didn't think you had a sense of humor.

But seriously, refering to your verbal traffic map, you didn't mention Shepherd/Durham exit.....take it south to Washington, and then east to say Bonner where one could add a rail crossing right into Wal-Mart. Do not presume successful corporations do not employ adult thinkers. Get out into the real world and you will meet many smart people who are way ahead of you on this issue, contrary to your condescending posts.

Actually, the entire reason that Walmart is the world's larget retailer and hated by people like s3mh is that they are so successful at outsmarting people like s3mh. In fact, for all of s3mh's and RUDE's efforts, Walmart has not so much as been slowed in their efforts to build and open this store. The ONLY thing that has been accomplished is that s3mh and RUDE have managed to inconvenience 13,000 Heights residents who use that bridge.Walmart will still be open in a few weeks.

Since I am not one of them (I rarely use that bridge), I find the entire exercise hilarious.

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It was abundantly clear to anyone who claimed to be a responsible adult that the Yale St. bridge was critical to Walmart being able to get its 18 wheelers in and out of the development back almost three years ago when they first started looking at the location as a big box anchored development. Had adults been in charge, 380 money could have been dedicated to rebuilding the bridge. The bridge could have been completed as fast as the developer wanted and before the development opened to the public. Now, many are wondering whether the bridge is being kept open longer than it should to give Walmart a few years to establish itself before having to endure a long bridge closure and loss of business due to the traffic obstruction.

If it were so abundantly clear to adults, I must wonder why RUDE never mentioned it when they were fighting Walmart. They yelled at town halls, and had a few drawings of supposed cool mixed use, even filed a (failed) lawsuit, but the Yale Street bridge was never mentioned. Only when Walmart, Ainbinder, and the 380 agreement was a fait accompli did anyone ever mention the Bridge of Death.

Is this proof that RUDE is not run by adults?

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Only when Walmart, Ainbinder, and the 380 agreement was a fait accompli did anyone ever mention the Bridge of Death.

Is this proof that RUDE is not run by adults?

Adults would have capitalized on concerns over aging infrastructure and made the "bridge of death" their central argument not Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart, fur-coats, 30-story towers, global warming, and the local endangered chipmonk have all reached the point of being dismissed out of hand when mentioned in conversation with the average Joe. Regardless of their leanings, people tend to glaze over, and tune out. I expect a little more from s3mh's command and control legions.

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So does anyone know what the official opening date for the walmart is? /relevance

I searched Wal-mart's site and they are still saying 2012 opening. They had 24Sep photo updates, it looks like it is 1-2 months away, so that narrows it down. I just saw these from the leasing agent .... http://ucrrealty.com..._IH-10&Yale.pdf ... nice aerials, maps. Bass St. will be an entrance from I-10 feeder to the dismay of all Bridge of Death fans and it looks like they added a RR crossing over Bonner Street for trucks.

EDIT: Here's a slightly different aerial with a better depiction of Bonner St. http://ucrrealty.com/photos/properties/flyers/201209241438060.Washington%20Heights%20Mktg%20Flyer%20(Heights%20Blvd).pdf

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I searched Wal-mart's site and they are still saying 2012 opening. They had 24Sep photo updates, it looks like it is 1-2 months away, so that narrows it down. I just saw these from the leasing agent .... http://ucrrealty.com..._IH-10&Yale.pdf ... nice aerials, maps. Bass St. will be an entrance from I-10 feeder to the dismay of all Bridge of Death fans and it looks like they added a RR crossing over Bonner Street for trucks.

EDIT: Here's a slightly different aerial with a better depiction of Bonner St. http://ucrrealty.com...ights Blvd).pdf

Wow. It is laughable that they advertise you can get from the site to the SW Freeway or anywhere downtown in "5 minutes" (slide 3 on either link). The last time I even came close to that kind of speed/distance was a few hours before Ike hit, when there were ZERO cars on the road. Even going up Yale to 610 would be a challenge, unless there were no cars in front of you and you hit every green light (all 10 of them in the 3 mile stretch). And believe me, they are not timed so you can make every one (Koehler, I-10 East, 1-10 West, 6th, 11th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 610 East)

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Wow. It is laughable that they advertise you can get from the site to the SW Freeway or anywhere downtown in "5 minutes".....

How about Washington at Yale starting point timer starts on green light.....Washington to Stude, south to Alan Pkwy (left turn arrow on green mandatory)....east Alan Pkwy and floor it to I-45 Pierce Elevated southbound to 59....doable?

EDIT: Google says 4.1 miles and 8 minutes, mostly controlled access roads, I think 5 minutes is doable with some luck at Houston speeds.... http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=90++Yale+St,+Houston,+TX+77007&daddr=29.768173,-95.3981376+to:29.76207,-95.38754+to:Exit+46B&hl=en&sll=29.756107,-95.388322&sspn=0.032637,0.053344&geocode=FcdCxgEdRlVQ-injZO9nq8BAhjGWJQuWN2Ddcg%3BFe05xgEdB1dQ-int4EWZq8BAhjGfQdlsw7J6SQ%3BFRYixgEdbIBQ-ikLEHLNUL9AhjHd6cuEyhUzSg%3BFXvZxQEdg9xQ-g&gl=us&mra=dme&mrsp=3&sz=15&via=1,2&t=m&z=15

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Wow. It is laughable that they advertise you can get from the site to the SW Freeway or anywhere downtown in "5 minutes" (slide 3 on either link). The last time I even came close to that kind of speed/distance was a few hours before Ike hit, when there were ZERO cars on the road. Even going up Yale to 610 would be a challenge, unless there were no cars in front of you and you hit every green light (all 10 of them in the 3 mile stretch). And believe me, they are not timed so you can make every one (Koehler, I-10 East, 1-10 West, 6th, 11th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 610 East)

With the new lights at i-10, it is hopeless to go that way.

If you define downtown as Houston Ave. Then I think you could probably get from yale to houston on Center in 5 minutes (as long as walmart isnt open, and the yale st bridge still in tact).

SW freeway would almost impossible.

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Wow. It is laughable that they advertise you can get from the site to the SW Freeway or anywhere downtown in "5 minutes" (slide 3 on either link). The last time I even came close to that kind of speed/distance was a few hours before Ike hit, when there were ZERO cars on the road. Even going up Yale to 610 would be a challenge, unless there were no cars in front of you and you hit every green light (all 10 of them in the 3 mile stretch). And believe me, they are not timed so you can make every one (Koehler, I-10 East, 1-10 West, 6th, 11th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 610 East)

This is pretty common. They use optimal posted speeds for all roads and don't take stoplights, signs, or traffic into account.

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With the new lights at i-10, it is hopeless to go that way.

Bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? I don't have a bit of problem getting through those lights. In fact, the new feeder roads get me on and off of I-10 to home much quicker than before. I realize that the official Heights line is to cry about the feeders, but they are a massive improvement in mobility for me.

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There is an endandered chipmonk? Why am I just now hearing about this? This thread is totally useless without pictures.

I'm risking the lives of the rebellion by showing you this picture, but I do so in the hope it will inspire others to rise up to claim their low prices.

You can see our brave pilot here sharing his Mos Eisley Bar nuts with a defector from RUDE. He has provided stolen HAHC blueprints and a codex to decipher their ritualistic brainwashing ceremony. Right after this photo was taken, Erroneous Monk was discovered and had to be evacuated to the Heights Reedlands. Our struggle for big boxes will continue.

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Oh exalted ones, I come before you to seek passage over the Yale bridge for purposes of commerce in the Kingdom of Wal. I have heard rumors of fabulous bargains not seen in the Heightlands. I submit to you my plans for home improvements and a list of items I seek in the Kingdom of Wal.

Whah, ha,ha! Declined! Into to pit to face the Anise!

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*Btw, Jabba is a member of a protected class and will receive a waiver to cross the bridge and an electric cart if he should ever tour the Kingdom of Wal.

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Just in case anyone cares....I was at the Taco Cabana in front of Walmart (I had a coupon) and some Walmart employees walked in. I asked them when it was opening and they told me October 26th.

Wow, close! I wonder if they timed it with the release of windows 8?

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I just had my internet phone service replaced with a rotary phone.

excellent decision! Truly in keeping with your historic meme, I fully expect you to downgrade back to an old dial modem as well...I believe there may be one provider left still offering dial up service...somewhere....Ahhh to hear the squeals of an old modem again - reminiscent of days gone by...

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Oh, no. We aren't trying to go back to the 1800s in the Heights. Only 1920. July 7, 1920, in fact. Everything that did not exist before or after July 7, 1920 must be removed. We actually had indoor plumbing on July 7, 1920.

BTW, I am not at all pleased that you hijacked my tile contractor thread for tub refinishing. :angry:

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excellent decision! Truly in keeping with your historic meme, I fully expect you to downgrade back to an old dial modem as well...I believe there may be one provider left still offering dial up service...somewhere....Ahhh to hear the squeals of an old modem again - reminiscent of days gone by...

Obviously you did not buy your duck hunting license this year at local Heights mom & pop or Walmart. :-)

Htx

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Halloween. Candy sales=$$$. I have heard that Kroger on Studewood is scrambling to get open around the same time.

In an alternate, renaissance universe......

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I've just overheard our chambermaids discussing that you can actually buy pre-cooked sweets in the Kingdom of Wal!

Oh, how dreadful!

We've got to do something to abolish this lazy practice! Children need to learn that thistle with honey and candied plums are the only appropriate and accurate harvest festival treats! I knew these Norman invaders would be a problem the moment they arrived!

So what can we do? Declare the area a Druid burial ground?

No, we used that against the Peasant Village project.

Appeal to the Queen?

No, remember she endorsed the merchants investment in Wal.

I've got it! Remember when the Druids requested passage across our bridge to move stone for that silly time portal project?

Yes...

Let's limit the number of caravans that can cross the bridge for the purpose of safety. We can say its a weight issue.

That's preposterous! Everyone knows that they are not carrying stone across the bridge by hand, we're talking about oxcarts moving cheap items from mostly the Orient. It's dry goods, thin linens, and cheap porcelains at best.

Yes, but the impact of a steady stream of oxen across that bridge, think of the emissions!

Yes, I see your point. If we can somehow route them through the feudal villages we can cause a peasant uprising, and they will cry out for the return to the olde ways.

Here here!

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Here's what I don't get:

When I went to Houston (the Heights, actually) in December 2011, I noticed there was a "Restaurant Depot" on 18th and T.C. Jester on the White Oak Bayou. Further research showed this was a Kmart until 2002-2003. So, my question is, why are people making a huge deal of the Wal-Mart (a few blocks south of the Heights, plus a highway between it) but (to my knowledge, at least) never complained about the Kmart as much, a few blocks west of the Heights, without a highway separating it?

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Here's what I don't get:

When I went to Houston (the Heights, actually) in December 2011, I noticed there was a "Restaurant Depot" on 18th and T.C. Jester on the White Oak Bayou. Further research showed this was a Kmart until 2002-2003. So, my question is, why are people making a huge deal of the Wal-Mart (a few blocks south of the Heights, plus a highway between it) but (to my knowledge, at least) never complained about the Kmart as much, a few blocks west of the Heights, without a highway separating it?

You do realize, don't you, that Allison was called up by the Heights Big Box Haters to remove the blight that was K-Mart. Fortunately, they spent all of their magical powers destroying a store that was doomed anyway, so they've had to revert to irrational mewling to fight WalMart.

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You do realize, don't you, that Allison was called up by the Heights Big Box Haters....

They almost killed our Discount Tire with their treacherous alchemy. And that Alberstsons, wtf was that all about.....corporate malfeasance or witchcraft, who knows....I liked the weed choked ditch.

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They almost killed our Discount Tire with their treacherous alchemy. And that Alberstsons, wtf was that all about.....corporate malfeasance or witchcraft, who knows....I liked the weed choked ditch.

When discount tire thrives, mom & pops die.

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Smash the machines of the imperialist-capitalists-fascist-baby seal clubbing-F150 with truck testicals driving-Texas Toast eating-Wal-mart shopping-meat grilling-suburban wine bar drinking-evil doers.

We did not listen to mother nature's cleansing waters of Allison and instead of repenting doubled down on our consumption. Put your ear to the tarmac of the Yale bridge and listen to what she is trying to tell us!

;-)

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Here's what I don't get:

When I went to Houston (the Heights, actually) in December 2011, I noticed there was a "Restaurant Depot" on 18th and T.C. Jester on the White Oak Bayou. Further research showed this was a Kmart until 2002-2003. So, my question is, why are people making a huge deal of the Wal-Mart (a few blocks south of the Heights, plus a highway between it) but (to my knowledge, at least) never complained about the Kmart as much, a few blocks west of the Heights, without a highway separating it?

TS Allison and the demise of Kmart was quite a while ago.

Many of the folks fighting the (new) Walmart located south of their neighborhood did not even live in the Heights area when Kmart was alive and well. They are "newbies".......so to speak. And yet they know best what is good for the 'hood.....

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TS Allison and the demise of Kmart was quite a while ago.

Many of the folks fighting the (new) Walmart located south of their neighborhood did not even live in the Heights area when Kmart was alive and well. They are "newbies".......so to speak. And yet they know best what is good for the 'hood.....

Yeah, most have only been here a few years, including the most vocal opponent on this forum. Sure is nice to know there are people who know so much more than me, and can make decisions in my best interest for me. I'd hate to make decisions on my own.

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Yeah, most have only been here a few years, including the most vocal opponent on this forum. Sure is nice to know there are people who know so much more than me, and can make decisions in my best interest for me. I'd hate to make decisions on my own.

Red, statements like that are the gateway-drugs to Libertarianism. (no pun intended on the drug part)

Set the Fountainhead down! ;-)

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TS Allison and the demise of Kmart was quite a while ago.

Many of the folks fighting the (new) Walmart located south of their neighborhood did not even live in the Heights area when Kmart was alive and well. They are "newbies".......so to speak. And yet they know best what is good for the 'hood.....

No one is fighting the Walmart anymore. It has been built and will open in a few weeks. What people are doing now is making sure that the City keep its word that they will "hold the developer's feet to the fire" on all the negative impacts that the development will bring to the area (crime, traffic, flooding, etc.). The Yale St. bridge must be fixed. The truck route on Heights/Koehler does not work and plenty of truckers will ignore the restrictions and take the bridge anyway. There are a whole boat load of other road improvement projects in the West End neighborhood that are needed once the Walmart starts sending cut through traffic down 18' wide streets with on street parking. There may also be other traffic mitigation measures needed considering just how bad the new feeders have made N/S traffic.

The idea that people have to have a certain number of years as a resident of the Heights in order to know what is right for the neighborhood is complete garbage. It is just a way of dodging the real issues. And, frankly, I am glad that a lot of the newer residents, and plenty of the older residents, are outspoken about this issue and about quality of life issues in the Heights because too many of the older residents are too complacent and are still of the mindset that anything is better than the way things were in the 1980s.

Lastly, no one in the Heights today complained about the K-Mart when it was built because most of us were either just little kids when it was built or were not even alive. The K-Mart building is from the late 60s. There were also oil refineries down near I-10 and Santa Anna's army may have had an encampment near the Heights in the 1830s. No one alive today complained about either of those, so I guess that means we cannot complain about Walmart.

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Santa Anna's army may have had an encampment near the Heights.

Santa Anna's army camped in Sealy, cause they had the best outlet mall at the time.

I imagine they would have stopped in the Heights, but with no Walmart, and only trendy overpriced 'mom and pop' places, they chose to skip the experience and went down Washington to hit some of the bars on the way.

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