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Walmart at Yale & I-10: For or Against  

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  1. 1. Q1: Regarding the proposed WalMart at Yale and I-10:

    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      41
    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      54
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      30
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      26
    • Undecided
      9
  2. 2. Q2: If/when this proposed WalMart is built at Yale & I-10

    • I am FOR this WalMart and will shop at this WalMart
      45
    • I am FOR this WalMart but will not shop at this WalMart
      23
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart but will shop at this WalMart
      7
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart and will not shop at this WalMart
      72
    • Undecided
      13
  3. 3. Q3: WalMart in general

    • I am Pro-Walmart
      16
    • I am Anti-Walmart
      63
    • I don't care either way
      72
    • Undecided
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This I can agree with 100% being a semi-hipster myself (I own a pair of tight jeans, a shirt with pearl snaps and not one, but two fixed gear bikes) the Heights doesn't have the right vibe for living, it just feels like everyone is trying too hard.

Clearly you have never visited my block. We tend to pursue our quest for good-vibe living aided by the generous sharing and consumption of wine and martinis. Makes for some interesting arguments :lol: Though not about Wal-Mart! We're all OK with that.

However, I don't have a fixie (though I bow to you who can ride one without crashing) and I have long passed the age where I can pull off skinny jeans.

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I don't think he's really a snob. He just moved to the Heights last year, and I think he is simply trying to gain Heights street cred. He argues for historic districts and against a Walmart. Instant street cred. The Walmart stuff is pretty harmless when all is said and done. The store gets built, none of us sees it, unless you live in the 6 townhomes that are near it, he gets to tell other Heights neighbors he fought the evil empire, and all is well. Even if somehow the Walmart wasn't built, it wouldn't hurt much, since others are being built. The historic district is the one that will cost us time and money.

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Clearly you have never visited my block. We tend to pursue our quest for good-vibe living aided by the generous sharing and consumption of wine and martinis. Makes for some interesting arguments :lol: Though not about Wal-Mart! We're all OK with that.

However, I don't have a fixie (though I bow to you who can ride one without crashing) and I have long passed the age where I can pull off skinny jeans.

there are exceptions to every rule, and I wish you joy while living in the Heights!

One can never pass the age of pulling off skinny jeans, it's all a state of mind. At least that's what I tell myself whenever I put them on. :lol:

But, if you want to embrace the hipster without dressing up, or riding a fixie, you need to trade the wine and martinis for a PBR :P

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I don't think he's really a snob. He just moved to the Heights last year, and I think he is simply trying to gain Heights street cred. He argues for historic districts and against a Walmart. Instant street cred. The Walmart stuff is pretty harmless when all is said and done. The store gets built, none of us sees it, unless you live in the 6 townhomes that are near it, he gets to tell other Heights neighbors he fought the evil empire, and all is well. Even if somehow the Walmart wasn't built, it wouldn't hurt much, since others are being built. The historic district is the one that will cost us time and money.

Well, not "instant" street cred. He has to kinda work on it a little here, at least. Everybody that wants instant street cred just puts a sign up in their yard. 20 years ago it was just the same, except all the signs said No Trespassing or Beware of Dog.

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there are exceptions to every rule, and I wish you joy while living in the Heights!

One can never pass the age of pulling off skinny jeans, it's all a state of mind. At least that's what I tell myself whenever I put them on. :lol:

But, if you want to embrace the hipster without dressing up, or riding a fixie, you need to trade the wine and martinis for a PBR :P

Lonestar.

Well, not "instant" street cred. He has to kinda work on it a little here, at least. Everybody that wants instant street cred just puts a sign up in their yard. 20 years ago it was just the same, except all the signs said No Trespassing or Beware of Dog.

Or, "Please stop feeding rice to my chickens."

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Well, not "instant" street cred. He has to kinda work on it a little here, at least. Everybody that wants instant street cred just puts a sign up in their yard. 20 years ago it was just the same, except all the signs said No Trespassing or Beware of Dog.

Maybe drink some coffee at Antidote and name drop a few stores on 19th Street. It doesn't take much. Oh, it probably helps to to have a HuffPost icon on your iPhone, too.

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Lonestar.

Or, "Please stop feeding rice to my chickens."

Ha, I had written PBR or LoneStar, then decided to delete and stick with just PBR, thanks for calling me out on it :D

we still have those signs in my neighborhood, but if a chicken wonders into my yard and starts tearing my garden all up, she needs some rice to help calm down.

Extra points if you walked there.

extra extra points if you walked there with your fixie, or am I confusing that place with Agora in Montrose?

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Maybe some ridiculous fad like $4 cupcakes will get the haterz back on board...

oh no. That is worse than the dreaded WM itself. I am anxiously waiting for the cup cake craze to end and the littering of derelict shoppes around town.

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The delete was very much deserved. There are very serious civic issues at stake here that are worthy of debate. The City is giving 6 million dollars to a developer not because the developer cannot do the project without it (Ainbinder admitted that last night), but to try to keep the developer from ruining the neighborhood. Another 20 million has been proposed to go to Intown Homes to build houses in the 200-500k range along 1-10 between TC Jester and the Energy Corridor. All this at a time when the city is in a budget deficit and has already maxed out TIRZ tax incentives. But we can't discuss this because you think opponents are bad people.

The city has grandfathered the entire development from having to comply with detention/retention pond flood mitigation because the city claims the entire site was concrete. But, the developer's own arial photography shows large portions of the property that permeable surfaces and no concrete at all. Preferential treatment? No, shut up because you are a hypocrite.

Wouldn't the City be obligated to make most of the infrastructure improvements that $6M pays for?

Isn't the City forgoing future taxes rather than paying out cash now? That sounds like a win to me.

Given that the City isn't paying out cash and the developer is, doesn't that mean the City has an advantage from a cost of funds view?

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Wouldn't the City be obligated to make most of the infrastructure improvements that $6M pays for?

Isn't the City forgoing future taxes rather than paying out cash now? That sounds like a win to me.

Given that the City isn't paying out cash and the developer is, doesn't that mean the City has an advantage from a cost of funds view?

Yeah, this does look like an interest free loan to the City by the developer. I am curious how the taxpayers get screwed by interest free loans. It's not like Yale doesn't NEED to be redone.

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Just curious if anyone wants to speculate on what the other stores of this development will be. From the below article the developer estimates there will be 25 to 30 stores.

Let me be the first to bet on a starbucks.

http://www.khou.com/...-101533333.html

Quizno's

Check cash store

AT&T store

Mattress Firm

Chipotle

Wings n Things (I wish)

Spec's (I wish more)

Starsucks

Bed bath and beyond (please god no)

Marble slab

Chuck e cheese (at which point the anti-burbanites' heads explode!!!!)

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I read about the special interest groups challenging Larry Flynt in this Chronicle article and thought of the opposition to the Washington Heights Wal-Mart. In particular, what forged the connection was where Larry Flynt stated: "We won't budge when it comes to condomless productions. That's what the consumer wants, and we deliver it." I for one like condomless productions, just like I like Wal-Mart. And I am thankful that Larry Flynt delivers the goods, just like Wal-Mart.

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Yeah, this does look like an interest free loan to the City by the developer. I am curious how the taxpayers get screwed by interest free loans. It's not like Yale doesn't NEED to be redone.

You're pissing in the wind, Red. I said the same thing like 30 pages ago. I even posted a couple photos of the barren wasteland that's dividing such normally rational people like the residents of the Heights. One of the photos, a tar-covered, cracked stretch of pavement, looked like it was held together by chewing gum. When I took those photos, I sat there that day and came to a realization about Yale @ Center. Traffic only ever picks up on that road (during non-rush hour times) when a train comes through the area. Otherwise, Yale is a ghost town. Yale is more like Sawyer than I'd even realized. It's Sawyer with an underpass. All you need are some presidential heads, and you have the making of Target 2: Electric Boogaloo. With the exception of Terminator and Star Wars, the sequel is never greeted with the same enthusiasm as the original. I wonder what would have happened had Walmart come before Target.

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With the exception of Terminator and Star Wars, the sequel is never greeted with the same enthusiasm as the original. I wonder what would have happened had Walmart come before Target.

It would have been largely the same. Walmart is Pavlov's dog to the enlightened set. Say the word and they bark. If Walmart had come first, the opponents would have merely appeared less hypocritical, as we would not have their welcoming remarks seen in the Target thread.

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Quizno's

Check cash store

AT&T store

Mattress Firm

Chipotle

Wings n Things (I wish)

Spec's (I wish more)

Starsucks

Bed bath and beyond (please god no)

Marble slab

Chuck e cheese (at which point the anti-burbanites' heads explode!!!!)

I would love to see the Chuck E Cheese's show up there, it would be fantastic! I dont have kids that would utilize it, but your right about heads exploding! Wow - if that list of yours made it into the development, I can forsee all those Wal Mart Haters using other streets just to avoid seeing this thing...that would certainly alleviate traffic.

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FYI - the removals largely come from user reports - we can't and don't babysit every thread and post

So, if I were to complain about something, you would delete it without any research? Seems a reasonable way to run a website. I can't foresee any problems with that.

Edit: DELETE!!

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Oh please - give it up. All complaints are addressed the same.

Really? Weird. Because it took three mentions of this little bit of fugly to get it removed.

No, shut up because you are a hypocrite.

And pretty much everything you'd deleted was a response to that. Or a response to the snob that typed that. (Except, bizarrely, an innocuous post about Chuck E Cheese - Can't be talkin' 'bout no Chuck E Cheese on Haif! We gots important Walmarts to bash!)

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Sorry, should have used "reports" instead of "complaints"

That's the only reliable way to address thread issues and so that all mods can see it.

Again, are all "reports" treated with equal sincerity? I think if you want to maintain the air or impartiality, you shouldn't voice your opinion on the subject. Because what look like happened here is you tripped over yourself trying to placate a bunch of whiney snobby bjtches.

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I saw more artist renderings of the site than the two linked earlier. are those online anywhere? They actually looked pretty decent.

Renderings and site plan are here:

http://washingtonhei...renderings.html

I'm a little confused, as I thought that the entire area bordered by Yale, (the new section of) Kohler, Heights and the RR tracks was part of this development. The site plan and renderings above only show the NE corner of this area being developed. Is the rest of this area owned by someone else?

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Renderings and site plan are here:

http://washingtonhei...renderings.html

I'm a little confused, as I thought that the entire area bordered by Yale, (the new section of) Kohler, Heights and the RR tracks was part of this development. The site plan and renderings above only show the NE corner of this area being developed. Is the rest of this area owned by someone else?

I was always under the assumption that it just going to be within the boundaries of koehler, boner, RR track, yale. I guess for the walmart itself that's true, but the entire development site will span to between yale and heights.

Nice to see they are going to run koehler to 2nd street.

I'd assume the white space is land either not for sale, or owned by someone else.

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site_plan_r4_c1.jpg

Interesting that some people in this thread are saying that the walmart itself is going to be over 200k SF, but looking at the rendering, they only show 150k SF...

what other misinformation have people on here who are against the walmart been spreading?

I mean, I'm not saying that they are purposefully spreading lies, just that they may have been misinformed, and are spreading that misinformation on as fact. To me it makes me feel like the people perpetuating this misinformation are trying to spark fear in everyone in the hopes that we join their cause against the walmart.

The bad thing about that is that all it does it weaken any truths they are saying along with the misinformation, and it makes me feel that they are disingenuous.

edit: It's hard to tell, but lining this up with google maps, is dirt bar part of this deal? Not that I really care, I mean overpriced drinks at a place that's trying to be a dive bar with coke heads all over isn't really my thing, but I have a few friends that love the place.

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I was always under the assumption that it just going to be within the boundaries of koehler, boner, RR track, yale. I guess for the walmart itself that's true, but the entire development site will span to between yale and heights.

Nice to see they are going to run koehler to 2nd street.

I'd assume the white space is land either not for sale, or owned by someone else.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasite_plan_r3_c2.jpg

site_plan_r4_c1.jpg

Interesting that some people in this thread are saying that the walmart itself is going to be over 200k SF, but looking at the rendering, they only show 150k SF...

what other misinformation have people on here who are against the walmart been spreading?

I mean, I'm not saying that they are purposefully spreading lies, just that they may have been misinformed, and are spreading that misinformation on as fact. To me it makes me feel like the people perpetuating this misinformation are trying to spark fear in everyone in the hopes that we join their cause against the walmart.

The bad thing about that is that all it does it weaken any truths they are saying along with the misinformation, and it makes me feel that they are disingenuous.

edit: It's hard to tell, but lining this up with google maps, is dirt bar part of this deal? Not that I really care, I mean overpriced drinks at a place that's trying to be a dive bar with coke heads all over isn't really my thing, but I have a few friends that love the place.

Channel 2 reported 200k sq ft a week or two ago on a news story that featured an interview with a Walmart spokesman. Aside from that, wed night was the first time Walmart would commit to sq ft. Dirt bar has been sold with the apartments (I didn't even know that was a bar). Both will be demolished.

An interesting note about the site plan is that it is unclear whether TxDOT has approved the connection of Bass and the new frontage. The orignal plan for the frontage extension did not include the connection. TxDOT has yet to respond to inquiries on the issue. The developers may have put the cart before the horse on that one. Stay tuned.

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Renderings and site plan are here:

http://washingtonhei...renderings.html

I'm a little confused, as I thought that the entire area bordered by Yale, (the new section of) Kohler, Heights and the RR tracks was part of this development. The site plan and renderings above only show the NE corner of this area being developed. Is the rest of this area owned by someone else?

Yes the part that borders the rail road tracks and heights is owned by someone else. They have had the same sign up forever. All I know about them is that they don't cut their grass unless you call the 311.

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It's hard to tell, but lining this up with google maps, is dirt bar part of this deal? Not that I really care, I mean overpriced drinks at a place that's trying to be a dive bar with coke heads all over isn't really my thing, but I have a few friends that love the place.

From this view you can definitely see that Dirt Bar bites the dirt. It's interesting that these views don't show the other stuff between Yale/Heights being developed. I guess you are right that it must belong to a different developer. I do like the rendering view that looks from NE to SW towards the Walmart with the intersection of Heights/Koehler in the foreground. It looks a heck of a lot better than that same view would look now.

http://washingtonheightsdistrict.com/public_infra.html

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Channel 2 reported 200k sq ft a week or two ago on a news story that featured an interview with a Walmart spokesman. Aside from that, wed night was the first time Walmart would commit to sq ft. Dirt bar has been sold with the apartments (I didn't even know that was a bar). Both will be demolished.

understandable misinformation then. Not much you can do with bad reporting, and secretive numbers.

and if Dirt Bar were in my neighborhood I'd be glad of ANY retail that promised to get rid of it, walmart, kohls, saks, whatever, just bulldoze that place into the bayou already!

An interesting note about the site plan is that it is unclear whether TxDOT has approved the connection of Bass and the new frontage. The orignal plan for the frontage extension did not include the connection. TxDOT has yet to respond to inquiries on the issue. The developers may have put the cart before the horse on that one. Stay tuned.

guess we'll see, I had heard people reporting that in current configuration, Yale alone can handle the necessary traffic increase (someone mentioned it after the meeting Wednesday in this thread, and I certainly can't confirm), so who knows whether this street is necessary to be built out, or just hopeful from the developer to continue and reduce the traffic load on Yale for you guys who use it all the time.

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understandable misinformation then. Not much you can do with bad reporting, and secretive numbers.

and if Dirt Bar were in my neighborhood I'd be glad of ANY retail that promised to get rid of it, walmart, kohls, saks, whatever, just bulldoze that place into the bayou already!

I always enjoyed a night that involved going to the Dirt Bar it will be a shame to see it replaced with whatever generica is planned for its spot.

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Yesterday on my regular late afternoon bike ride through the Heights I noticed that a lot of the blue "StopHeightsWalmart" signs had already come down. Riding back, I caught my neighbor outside and asked if she attended the meeting and she gave me the lowdown. She is a supporter and made the news http://www.khou.com/...-101533333.html She spoke with the Walmart execs after the meeting and they told her it's a done deal.

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Channel 2 reported 200k sq ft a week or two ago on a news story that featured an interview with a Walmart spokesman. Aside from that, wed night was the first time Walmart would commit to sq ft. Dirt bar has been sold with the apartments (I didn't even know that was a bar). Both will be demolished.

It's only been reported to be 152,000 square feet since Day 1. Here's a Chronicle article from July 1...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7090711.html

This same article is posted in the first post of the non-confrontational Walmart thread. I don't see how you could have missed it, unless perhaps you haven't researched what is proposed there (or don't care).

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Yesterday on my regular late afternoon bike ride through the Heights I noticed that a lot of the blue "StopHeightsWalmart" signs had already come down. Riding back, I caught my neighbor outside and asked if she attended the meeting and she gave me the lowdown. She is a supporter and made the news http://www.khou.com/...-101533333.html She spoke with the Walmart execs after the meeting and they told her it's a done deal.

Someone has been spotted in a white pickup truck taking Walmart signs. Many have reported having their signs stolen.

What do you think Walmart execs would say? "We don't think we have a snowball's chance"? The City hasn't issued a single permit. The variance for the Koehler reverse curve has been tagged. CM Gonzalez has come out against the development, with others very close to following suit.

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It's only been reported to be 152,000 square feet since Day 1. Here's a Chronicle article from July 1...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7090711.html

This same article is posted in the first post of the non-confrontational Walmart thread. I don't see how you could have missed it, unless perhaps you haven't researched what is proposed there (or don't care).

http://www.click2houston.com/video/24666506/index.html at 26 sec.

Walmart did not confirm anything in the Chronicle article. In another article after they signed the purchase agreement, they still would not commit to sq ft.

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http://www.click2houston.com/video/24666506/index.html at 26 sec.

Walmart did not confirm anything in the Chronicle article. In another article after they signed the purchase agreement, they still would not commit to sq ft.

So, in light of Walmart saying nothing, and a developer's site plan showing 152,000 sf, you decide that the prudent thing to do is continually scream that they are planning a monstrosity in excess of 200,000 square feet.

Makes sense to me.

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I'm sorry, anyone who looks at this top rendering and thinks that it is not a superb improvement, not only over what is currently there, but also over anything built at Sawyer Target or on Washington Avenue, is simply lying. I realize that these are merely renderings, but the attempt to fit the "character of the Heights" is definitely there.

http://washingtonheightsdistrict.com/renderings.html

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If only the opposition could have realized that a "no means no" approach to this development would yield them an almost reactionary suburban scale development that will mostly encourage more automotive activity in the area versus pedestrian activity. Had they channeled their energies into being constructive, the site planning might have been developed much differently than what has been presented in the renderings.

My first suggestion would be to NOT turn the store's "back" to the neighborhood. Neighborhood traffic is now guaranteed to increase behind the Wal-Mart in access to Washington Ave. and will be moving faster without any noticeable curb cuts. Also the extension of Bass St. to the feeder will also filter cross traffic into the neighborhood. Taking that fact into account, maybe the store could have backed up to the rail ROW and anchor deliveries to the southeast corner where the Yale underpass is. This would allow easier access for pedestrians in the neighborhood to the south, west, and east. In terms of greenness, an elongated East-West building of this scale has a better solar performance. Just a few passing thoughts...

Another off the cuff question regarding the site plan; Is there any way pedestrians from the north coming down Heights esplanade can access the esplanade in front of this development without having to enter the roadway on Yale or Heights Blvd at White Oak Bayou?

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site_plan_r4_c1.jpg

Given the way the ground is countoured in this area, especially around the stone yard, and the location of the pad sites, the Walmart will not be at all visually intrusive from Yale (if it's visible at all), at least during daylight hours.

I was also pretty happy to hear about the restoration of the bridge over the bayou on Heights. I'd love to see that bridge appropriately restored.

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If the styling turns out remotely close to the renderings, this will be about as good as we could hope for as far as this development goes.

The problem is that this development doesn't hold its fate in its own hands visually. An entity called OTC Heights LTD owns most of the land where the Sons of Hermann used to be and the south end of that lot is owned by an entity named Boulevard Lofts LTD. Whatever gets put on those tracts (these are all on the Nebraska-ish shaped white area between Koehler, Yale, heights, and the RR ROW) will play a huge role in how that area ends up looking, much moreso than Ainbender, who hopefully will have made a solid run at setting expectations on design for that area.

On Ainbenders renderings those tracts are nice green lawn, but unfortunately they look nothing like that at the moment.

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Another off the cuff question regarding the site plan; Is there any way pedestrians from the north coming down Heights esplanade can access the esplanade in front of this development without having to enter the roadway on Yale or Heights Blvd at White Oak Bayou?

It's hard to say. Depends on two things:

1 - How the feeder road extension affects the stretch that goes under I-10

2 - How the improvements to the bridge over White Oak Bayou are executed.

Let's not overlook one of the advantages to Walmart being the anchor tenant: if HEB had been the anchor (something I would have preferred), it's unlikely that Ainbinder would have felt it necessary to any improvements at all to the Esplanade and the bridges.

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If the styling turns out remotely close to the renderings, this will be about as good as we could hope for as far as this development goes.

I'm inclined to agree with this. It looks a lot like parts of Uptown Park, parts of Highland Village, and the development on the SE corner of Kirby and Alabama (also Ainbinder, I think).

I think part of what people criticizing this as "typical suburban development" would rather see is multilevel parking. However, the cost of land in this part of the city doesn't really justify it. Surface parking typically takes up ~320 sf per parking space. Dirt in the Heights generally goes for around $30/sf, which puts the value of a surface parking space at around $9600. The cost per parking space of a multi-level garage is typically about 2X this amount. So, in order for multi-level parking to make sense economically, land costs would need to be about double what they are now. Outside of downtown, there are very few parts of the city where land costs >$60/sf.

The only shopping areas inside 610 with multi-level parking that immediately come to mind are Rice Village, parts of Highland Village, the new part of River Oaks S.C. (at Shepherd and W. Gray), and the Costco on Richmond @ Weslayan. I suppose you can add West Ave to this list if it ever opens (I assume some that not all of the parking is reserved for residents.) The new Whole Foods on Waugh, the existing W.F. on Alabama, and Central Market all have exclusively surface parking, and they haven't been criticized for it. Recall that the minimum number of parking spaces per s.f. of store space is dictated by CoH ordinance.

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Another off the cuff question regarding the site plan; Is there any way pedestrians from the north coming down Heights esplanade can access the esplanade in front of this development without having to enter the roadway on Yale or Heights Blvd at White Oak Bayou?

No. It appears the esplanade ends where the bayou begins and I haven't seen any plans to build a pedestrian bridge in the middle there to connect it to heights running trail. The running trail is real cute and everything but it doesn't really go anywhere or connect well with the north side, I-10 and the bayou pretty much kill any conventional chance of it right there and so you have to get in\or cross the street or just stay on the winding sidewalks they are to build.

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