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Walmart at Yale & I-10: For or Against  

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  1. 1. Q1: Regarding the proposed WalMart at Yale and I-10:

    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      41
    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      54
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      30
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      26
    • Undecided
      9
  2. 2. Q2: If/when this proposed WalMart is built at Yale & I-10

    • I am FOR this WalMart and will shop at this WalMart
      45
    • I am FOR this WalMart but will not shop at this WalMart
      23
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart but will shop at this WalMart
      7
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart and will not shop at this WalMart
      72
    • Undecided
      13
  3. 3. Q3: WalMart in general

    • I am Pro-Walmart
      16
    • I am Anti-Walmart
      63
    • I don't care either way
      72
    • Undecided
      9


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Was Wal-Mart approached by the owner of the property on Yale between I-10 and Washington to buy the land? This is the same property H-E-B was looking at to build a new store along the lines of the one on Bunker Hill. Is the deal done with Wal-Mart? I've heard yes. What does this mean to the likes of our Heights Mom and Pops? What will that do to the traffic patterns on Yale and Washington? Google "Wal Mart parking lot crime" and let us know our thoughts!

To get back to the topic. Personally, I hate Walmart and do not want one adjacent to the Heights...from their problems with parking lot crime, not promoting women, the $3-a-day workers in China, the closing of small businesses in small towns, the subsidies, the high number of employees on Chips & Medicaid...oh I could go on and on. I'm not saying that other companies are perfect - but Walmart...ahhhh! They have been having a bit of trouble expanding in the 3 largest metros in the US - (isn't Houston #4...?) http://walmartwatch.com/pages/wal_marts_urban_problem/

Does anyone have proof that they are going to build one on Yale & I-10...? If so - I would definitely want to do some sort of action. Let me know if anyone else would like to make their voice heard and a make difference in their city/community.

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Yankee,

I thought you were a strong supporter of dictating home sizes. What's the problem? The Mayor is now telling us what we can buy and build...all is right in the Heights.

You thought wrong. And what does the mayor have to do with Walmart?

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To get back to the topic. Personally, I hate Walmart and do not want one adjacent to the Heights...

You're trying to "get back to the topic" by ranting about issues that have little to no effect on the Heights.

"...from their problems with parking lot crime..."

Parking lot crime (which RedScare has established in the other thread is a dubious concern) would occur in the West End, not the Heights.

"...not promoting women..."

A vacant lot doesn't promote females, either.

"...the $3-a-day workers in China..."

China isn't in the Heights.

"...the closing of small businesses in small towns..."

This is Houston, the nation's fourth-largest municipality and sixth-largest metropolitan area.

"...the subsidies..."

Wal-Mart will contribute to the property tax and sales tax base of Houston and Harris County. Local subsidies for new Wal-Mart stores do happen in some places, however do not happen in Houston.

"...the high number of employees on Chips & Medicaid..."

The Census did not guarantee consistent hours and provided no health benefits, but people like myself from all over the country were happy to accept the work. Low wages are better than no wages. And someone that's employed has less time or motivation to commit crime. That's good for your neighborhood.

They have been having a bit of trouble expanding in the 3 largest metros in the US - (isn't Houston #4...?) http://walmartwatch.com/pages/wal_marts_urban_problem/

The link cites that they've had difficulty expanding in particular cities, not metropolitan areas. Seeing as how Houston is about twice the size of NYC and has one seventh the density, comparisons between these fair cities aren't exactly apples-to-apples. Moreover, our dirt is cheap and our politicians are keenly attuned to their constituents' pocketbooks. The Wal-Mart business model will work here, as it has and does.

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Let me know if anyone else would like to make their voice heard and a make difference in their city/community.

If you need any suggestions on how to make a difference in your community, let us know. In fact, heights yankee probably still has contact numbers for VISTA. And I know the guy who runs the End Hunger Network over by the freeway.

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You thought wrong. And what does the mayor have to do with Walmart?

Yankee,

I was referring to your previous post on the subject of the new Heights Historic District South Application and the new moratorium passed by the Mayor and City Council regarding demolitions and new construction in Houstons Historic Districts (the HPO, or Historic Preservation Ordinance)...A different thread here on HAIF, where you expressed your opinion.

You stated that you supported the regulation of property rights in Houston historic districts yet you are bashing corporate America for limiting home size of their employees (sounds like a stretch but anyway...)

Is there any way you can walk both sides of that fence? If so, please explain how.

The mayor, City Council, and the HAHC now have the power to dictate property use, home size, and new construction in the Heights and other historic districts in Houston. On the same hand you are quoted as blaming a corporation for regulating what their employees can buy and or build.

I honestly don't see the difference.

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The mayor, City Council, and the HAHC now have the power to dictate property use, home size, and new construction in the Heights and other historic districts in Houston. On the same hand you are quoted as blaming a corporation for regulating what their employees can buy and or build.

I honestly don't see the difference.

...and at least the employees of Wal-Mart have the ability to opt-in or opt-out of employment there.

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If you need any suggestions on how to make a difference in your community, let us know. In fact, heights yankee probably still has contact numbers for VISTA. And I know the guy who runs the End Hunger Network over by the freeway.

Thanks for the info...FYI - I have been doing volunteer/community work since high school.

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Yankee,

I was referring to your previous post on the subject of the new Heights Historic District South Application and the new moratorium passed by the Mayor and City Council regarding demolitions and new construction in Houstons Historic Districts (the HPO, or Historic Preservation Ordinance)...A different thread here on HAIF, where you expressed your opinion.

You stated that you supported the regulation of property rights in Houston historic districts yet you are bashing corporate America for limiting home size of their employees (sounds like a stretch but anyway...)

Is there any way you can walk both sides of that fence? If so, please explain how.

The mayor, City Council, and the HAHC now have the power to dictate property use, home size, and new construction in the Heights and other historic districts in Houston. On the same hand you are quoted as blaming a corporation for regulating what their employees can buy and or build.

I honestly don't see the difference.

Thanks for clearing up for me what I believe.

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You're trying to "get back to the topic" by ranting about issues that have little to no effect on the Heights.

I am not ranting - I'm stating my opinion and some information that Walmart has had lawsuits about and lost. Did you read that title of this thread?

"...from their problems with parking lot crime..."

Parking lot crime (which RedScare has established in the other thread is a dubious concern) would occur in the West End, not the Heights.

hmmmm....I think the future will say differently about parking lot crime if Walmart does not have golf cart security in the parking lot.

"...not promoting women..."

A vacant lot doesn't promote females, either.

Other businesses that promote fairly could be built there.

"...the $3-a-day workers in China..."

China isn't in the Heights.

It's a Walmart factory that I was referring to....oh and there are other developing countries that Walmart has factories in as well...Bangledesh for one. Last I had read - 80% of Walmart goods come from China

"...the closing of small businesses in small towns..."

This is Houston, the nation's fourth-largest municipality and sixth-largest metropolitan area.

Where do you think people go for work when they have to leave small towns?

"...the subsidies..."

Wal-Mart will contribute to the property tax and sales tax base of Houston and Harris County. Local subsidies for new Wal-Mart stores do happen in some places, however do not happen in Houston.

Walmart has a history of challenging property taxes - especially in Texas. The two Baytown stores got a $1 mil and a $2.6 mil subsidy.

"...the high number of employees on Chips & Medicaid..."

The Census did not guarantee consistent hours and provided no health benefits, but people like myself from all over the country were happy to accept the work. Low wages are better than no wages. And someone that's employed has less time or motivation to commit crime. That's good for your neighborhood.

Walmart has a history of telling their employees to go on medicaid, food stamps and chips instead of giving them a living wage and/or more hours. Don't you think that you deserve that....? Walmart is going to increase the number of part-time workers that won't get insurance for over a year - but their turnover is so high that it probably doesn't matter.

The link cites that they've had difficulty expanding in particular cities, not metropolitan areas. Seeing as how Houston is about twice the size of NYC and has one seventh the density, comparisons between these fair cities aren't exactly apples-to-apples. Moreover, our dirt is cheap and our politicians are keenly attuned to their constituents' pocketbooks. The Wal-Mart business model will work here, as it has and does.

Besides the 3 largest cities there have been towns in Texas (and all over the country) that have been successful in keeping Walmart out of their towns. If people do not want a Walmart adjacent to the Heights (when there will already be one in Northline Commons), it can probably be done.

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Wow, so much for a friendly discussion. Y'all need to calm down a bit and discuss this like adults. Lively banter is fine, but this has gone way past rude and obnoxious. Seriously.

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"...the high number of employees on Chips & Medicaid..."

The Census did not guarantee consistent hours and provided no health benefits, but people like myself from all over the country were happy to accept the work. Low wages are better than no wages. And someone that's employed has less time or motivation to commit crime. That's good for your neighborhood.

Walmart has a history of telling their employees to go on medicaid, food stamps and chips instead of giving them a living wage and/or more hours. Don't you think that you deserve that....? Walmart is going to increase the number of part-time workers that won't get insurance for over a year - but their turnover is so high that it probably doesn't matter.

This is the one point I have a contention with, not because it's not true as for all I know it could be true, but because no one should be surprised anymore when a massive corporation tries to cut costs. That is, after all, the goal of a corporation. To increase profit, corporations must either increase revenue or decrease costs. Playing with health insurance, reducing corporate contributions - or eliminating it altogether - has been a common step for many corporations. With as many people as are in the employ of Walmart (1.2 million in the US alone), health insurance is doubtless going to be one of Walmart's largest controllable expenses - that and overtime. With that many employees, eliminating overtime and cutting health benefits could save them billions of dollars annually, which helps to ensure that I can get my value priced porkchops in bulk without having to concern myself with whether or not I can afford to put fresh diapers on my child.

The point is, this behavior is not unique, and this sort of thing isn't Walmart specific. With the new healthcare law as currently in place, a number of corporations, some thought respectable previously, have mulled options to cut employer subsidized programs in favor of the government imposed penalty. Companies like AT&T, John Deere, Caterpillar and Verizon have seriously considered just dropping healthcare altogether. In other words, you aren't mad at Walmart. You're mad at an economic system that allows companies to act unethically in order to remain competitive with other companies acting unethically. You're wasting your breath protesting a Walmart. Even if you were successful in preventing a Walmart from building in the (near) Heights, it won't solve anything. It's like putting a band-aid on a dismembered arm. What you want is massive corporate reform. You want reform of the nature that will prevent companies like Walmart from doing the things you find so reprehensible.

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Wow, so much for a friendly discussion. Y'all need to calm down a bit and discuss this like adults. Lively banter is fine, but this has gone way past rude and obnoxious. Seriously.

Walmart brings out the best in people.

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You're trying to "get back to the topic" by ranting about issues that have little to no effect on the Heights.

I am not ranting - I'm stating my opinion and some information that Walmart has had lawsuits about and lost. Did you read that title of this thread? Yes. Did you? We're supposed to be talking about the Heights, which this Wal-Mart would not be located in.

"...from their problems with parking lot crime..."

Parking lot crime (which RedScare has established in the other thread is a dubious concern) would occur in the West End, not the Heights.

hmmmm....I think the future will say differently about parking lot crime if Walmart does not have golf cart security in the parking lot. And how would your hypothetical unsecured parking lot crime in the West End affect the Heights?

"...not promoting women..."

A vacant lot doesn't promote females, either.

Other businesses that promote fairly could be built there. Wal-Mart may be a corporate pariah and whipping boy, but gender discrimination is endemic. It does not stand alone.

"...the $3-a-day workers in China..."

China isn't in the Heights.

It's a Walmart factory that I was referring to....oh and there are other developing countries that Walmart has factories in as well...Bangledesh for one. Last I had read - 80% of Walmart goods come from China Wal-Mart does not and will not operate Chinese or Bangledeshi factories that will be situated in the Heights.

"...the closing of small businesses in small towns..."

This is Houston, the nation's fourth-largest municipality and sixth-largest metropolitan area.

Where do you think people go for work when they have to leave small towns? Probably not at a Wal-Mart in the West End (not the Heights) in Houston; otherwise, they'd stay in small towns where the cost of living is lower and work for the Wal-Mart there. What's wrong with folks from small towns, anyway? Does their presence conjure sounds of banjos in your head? And wouldn't that be more your problem than theirs?

"...the subsidies..."

Wal-Mart will contribute to the property tax and sales tax base of Houston and Harris County. Local subsidies for new Wal-Mart stores do happen in some places, however do not happen in Houston.

Walmart has a history of challenging property taxes - especially in Texas. The two Baytown stores got a $1 mil and a $2.6 mil subsidy. Of course Wal-Mart protests its property taxes! I do it too, and so should you. It's a right provided for by the Texas Constitution, and thank goodness because appraised values often have no bearing on reality. Also, your example of a subsidy is a factual error. Those aren't Wal-Mart stores. They're distribution centers that (unlike stores) add to the core employment of the region.

"...the high number of employees on Chips & Medicaid..."

The Census did not guarantee consistent hours and provided no health benefits, but people like myself from all over the country were happy to accept the work. Low wages are better than no wages. And someone that's employed has less time or motivation to commit crime. That's good for your neighborhood.

Walmart has a history of telling their employees to go on medicaid, food stamps and chips instead of giving them a living wage and/or more hours. Don't you think that you deserve that....? Walmart is going to increase the number of part-time workers that won't get insurance for over a year - but their turnover is so high that it probably doesn't matter. I'll gladly take compensation at such a rate as the labor market will bear. Holding out for a job for which I am optimally suited and for which I will be compensated commensurately has not worked for me in 19 months. And a part time job at minimum wage is better than nothing and no wage...which is what a vacant lot pays.

The link cites that they've had difficulty expanding in particular cities, not metropolitan areas. Seeing as how Houston is about twice the size of NYC and has one seventh the density, comparisons between these fair cities aren't exactly apples-to-apples. Moreover, our dirt is cheap and our politicians are keenly attuned to their constituents' pocketbooks. The Wal-Mart business model will work here, as it has and does.

Besides the 3 largest cities there have been towns in Texas (and all over the country) that have been successful in keeping Walmart out of their towns. If people do not want a Walmart adjacent to the Heights (when there will already be one in Northline Commons), it can probably be done. The West End is in the same City as Northline Commons...and the Heights. If a Wal-Mart can be built so close to the Heights in one direction (and why aren't you livid over that one!?), then why would you believe that another Wal-Mart could not be built close to the Heights in the opposite direction?

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I'm sure a walmart would be quite succesful in this location, and I would probably even venture in there from time to time but I must say that I absolutely hate Walmart. I have friends that work at walmarts (limited to 30 hours a week and get screwed), others that are shift managers and are making a very decent living (especially for high school education) and others that work for the corporate headquarters in Bentonville who get paid very well. I could argue there methods of compensation both ways. I find Walmart to be an Evil company, because of their mind games they play on you. Why do they have like 80 registers? Is it just me? I've never seen a walmart with much more than half of their registers open even on Black Friday. If your never going to have more than 40 registers... just build 40. They also are really slow to pick up their baskets. I've had a few dings/scratches in my cars from sailing buggies at Walmart on windy days. This is mostly the customer's fault for being lazy, but they could still make the effort.

So yeah, I don't really care if it opens or not. I'd prefer other businesses but it's not my money. I'm not going to try to tell someone what to do with their property...

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You say that...but I gather that you've been indoctrinated to a subculture propagated by over-educated white people that features class-based shame and douchey shame-avoidance behavior as a central tenet.

If you were a low-earning Mexican that had called the Heights home all your life, you'd have likely lamented in 2005 that the Target on Sawyer Street was not a Wal-Mart Supercenter and would be thrilled at these rumors because you were tired of packing several generations of family into a car for a day trip to a distant suburban Wal-Mart.

If a Wal-Mart does go in on Yale, my only concern is the traffic. I frequently use Yale to avoid the possibility of a train on Heights Blvd.

As for shopping at Wal-Mart, I generally do not find any deals there that I couldn't find at one of the larger Fiestas and like supporting a local chain. I've actually come to know a few of the workers at the one on 14th and Studewood and will shop there because of them.

The large chains are a product of people wanting cheaper goods, I can appreciate that and take advantage of it from time to time. I can't really imagine what home repair goods would cost if there weren't a Home Depot or Lowes. To be honest, my worst shopping experiences have been in Randall's and Kroger, both of which are big stores but have a total of three lanes open and charge more.

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to AtticaFlinch and TheNiche:

....and to become our country's new definition of the American working class dream? oh sad day...

Huh? I don't follow. I hate Walmart and quite a number of other major corporations (except for the one that employs me - I love you guys). I just recognize the need for a place like Walmart given the nature of our economy. And, as such, I don't see how eschewing Walmart in the Heights benefits anyone whatsoever. It's like when Rick Perry denied Texan taxpayers our share of the bailout loot because he was grandstanding to his party base. Sure, it made a handful of braindead GOP tea party types feel all warm and fuzzy, but in effect, he hurt a bunch of Texans for no real reason. It was mindless political theater and nothing more. Similarly, why shouldn't people in the Heights also have the same benefit of low prices as the people in the 'burbs? If low prices are available, then everyone should be able to take advantage of those low prices. If you prefer to abstain from Walmart, for whatever reason, then go ahead and abstain. No one will think ill of you for it. Most people only shop at Walmart out of necessity and understand that if you can afford to base your decisions on personal politics and not personal economics, then more power to you because we'd do the same if we could. But with that said, just because you can afford to make that decision doesn't mean everyone can. And who are you to dictate what and where I buy the goods that feed, clothe and otherwise support my family? If you'd like to pay my bills, then you can dictate to me where I shop. Otherwise, butt out of my personal affairs. Remember, not everyone who lives in the Heights is living the high life, and an even greater number who were livin' it up a couple years ago probably no longer are now.

To impose your preferences on everyone around you reeks of tyranny.

On the other hand, if you were to hand me a petition calling for an overhaul of our economic system which would prevent future cases of corporate misconduct such as perpetrated by Walmart, then I'd sign it. Hell, I'd probably volunteer to stand on a street corner and get even more signatures. But I wouldn't waste my time on something so inconsequential as Walmart trying to build on land that has no ecological or cultural value.

I don't think Walmart should be the new "working class dream", but I'm mostly a pragmatist. Let's solve the underlying illness, and the symptoms will sort themselves out.

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If a Wal-Mart does go in on Yale, my only concern is the traffic. I frequently use Yale to avoid the possibility of a train on Heights Blvd.

Ditto - combined with the new ramps....uck.

I like the Northwest Mall location idea, that makes a lot more sense.

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to AtticaFlinch and TheNiche:

....and to become our country's new definition of the American working class dream? oh sad day...

No, but perhaps the American working-class fallback position. It's good to have options open to you.

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Ditto - combined with the new ramps....uck.

I like the Northwest Mall location idea, that makes a lot more sense.

Except that it's harder to get to and less central than the supposed Yale location. Besides that, Heights residents would obviously not be able to use it then as it would fall outside their comfort zone. Use HEB as a great case in point (there's an entire thread about it somewhere but lord knows where it is). Many Heights residents hoped beyone hope that this property would be filled with an HEB as there are no convenient HEB locations nearby... despite there being an HEB on TC Jester and 18th. Putting a Walmart outside the loop would be like putting it on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. It would miss a substantial part of its intended clientele.

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Wow, so much for a friendly discussion. Y'all need to calm down a bit and discuss this like adults. Lively banter is fine, but this has gone way past rude and obnoxious. Seriously.

Ugh - totally agree.

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Except that it's harder to get to and less central than the supposed Yale location. Besides that, Heights residents would obviously not be able to use it then as it would fall outside their comfort zone. Use HEB as a great case in point (there's an entire thread about it somewhere but lord knows where it is). Many Heights residents hoped beyone hope that this property would be filled with an HEB as there are no convenient HEB locations nearby... despite there being an HEB on TC Jester and 18th. Putting a Walmart outside the loop would be like putting it on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. It would miss a substantial part of its intended clientele.

I wouldn't like the traffic an HEB created either.

I'm sure with the changes to the access roads they'll time the lights accordingly though (hopefully).

I wonder how well that HEB on 18th does. It is never busy.

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I am still suspect of the simultaneous I-10 feeders and wal mart location. How will having wal-mart on I-10 with a half dozen new red lights make traffic better or reduce flooding? Weren't those the goals of the project? Would the store be possible without the additional I-10 access? To me this is as much a subsidy as anything else.

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Except that it's harder to get to and less central than the supposed Yale location.

Exactly. Whereas the suburbs situated just beyond the loop are already adequately-served by various Wal-Mart stores, much of the inner loop is poorly served.

Moreover, the Heights needs to recognize that this is more than just a Heights issue; it's a community issue affecting dozens or possibly hundreds of individual neighborhoods. A few vocal Heights residents don't get to dictate terms or crowd out everybody else's preferences. And frankly, I don't understand why Heights NIMBYs are fretting over someone else's back yard.

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Exactly. Whereas the suburbs situated just beyond the loop are already adequately-served by various Wal-Mart stores, much of the inner loop is poorly served.

Moreover, the Heights needs to recognize that this is more than just a Heights issue; it's a community issue affecting dozens or possibly hundreds of individual neighborhoods. A few vocal Heights residents don't get to dictate terms or crowd out everybody else's preferences. And frankly, I don't understand why Heights NIMBYs are fretting over someone else's back yard.

I agree the inner loop is under served, I just wonder if the Yale location is a good one (traffic wise). I'd rather them shut down the Kroger on 19th and build the Wal-Mart there.

I guess the plus is that the lot on Yale is fairly large and easier to develop. There was a site choice crew followed around on an NBC special on Wal-Mart and they have a lot of metrics that help them choose locations. Yale must have the demographics close-by and the predicted traffic that Wal-Mart wants to see before they build a store. They know their business fairly well, I probably shouldn't second guess them.

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I agree the inner loop is under served, I just wonder if the Yale location is a good one (traffic wise). I'd rather them shut down the Kroger on 19th and build the Wal-Mart there.

I guess the plus is that the lot on Yale is fairly large and easier to develop. There was a site choice crew followed around on an NBC special on Wal-Mart and they have a lot of metrics that help them choose locations. Yale must have the demographics close-by and the predicted traffic that Wal-Mart wants to see before they build a store. They know their business fairly well, I probably shouldn't second guess them.

There aren't many 20+ acre inner loop sites on major thoroughfares with easy freeway access. They're going to have to compromise on some criteria, I think.

The Macy's distribution center and outlet store at the Gulf Freeway and Lockwood would be strategically better, IMO, but southbound access from I-45 is impaired and ramps off to each side of the I-45 mainlanes obscure visibility of the surrounding neighborhoods. Also, it's still being used.

The Grocer's Supply complex at SH 288 and Holcombe would be another physically feasible site, but prohibitively expensive. And likewise...it's still in use.

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Just drove by there this weekend. Did the builder paint the underpass between I-10 and Washington? My husband said, "Those are WalMart colors." They are of course Texas state and US flag colors, but why beautify this particular underpass?

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I wouldn't like the traffic an HEB created either.

I'm sure with the changes to the access roads they'll time the lights accordingly though (hopefully).

I wonder how well that HEB on 18th does. It is never busy.

My disappointment with this news (unconfirmed rumor?) is not that I'm not a fan of Walmart. I'm not, particularly, but they have as much right to develop that plot as anyone else, as long as they're the highest bidder for the site. My disappointment come from the fact that I'd rather this site were an HEB.

W/r/t traffic, some changes will almost certainly have to take place. First, there's a single north-bound lane on Yale just north of Washington. Left turns from this lane would block those that use north-bound yale to avoid trains. I'd expect that north-bound lane to go away, or for Yale to be two lanes each way for that stretch. Access from the south would seem to be the trickiest issue. Kohler would probably need an upgrade to allow for access from Shepherd. You might also see some kind of direct access to this property from the Eastbound feeder

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For a while there, Northline Commons was supposed to be getting a WalMart. Wonder if thats still the case. If so, this spot wouldn't make any sense at all.

While the debate has been fun to read about WalMart "invading", I would go back to earlier posts regarding the NorthLine Commons location at CrossTimbers and I-45. WalMart is definitely going into this location at Northline per COH Online Permits. And if you drive by, they have walls up and are working on the exterior entrances already.

http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet (permit #09061747)

Because of its proximity to the Heights, I would agree with other earlier posts that it would not make sense to build another location when this Supercenter is being built relatively close to the Heights. And if you look at the amount of space this NorthLine location is taking up, there is no way the land on Yale would work with all of the drainage requirements required for new construction.

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While the debate has been fun to read about WalMart "invading", I would go back to earlier posts regarding the NorthLine Commons location at CrossTimbers and I-45. WalMart is definitely going into this location at Northline per COH Online Permits. And if you drive by, they have walls up and are working on the exterior entrances already.

http://www.cohtora.houstontx.gov/ibi_apps/WFServlet (permit #09061747)

Because of its proximity to the Heights, I would agree with other earlier posts that it would not make sense to build another location when this Supercenter is being built relatively close to the Heights. And if you look at the amount of space this NorthLine location is taking up, there is no way the land on Yale would work with all of the drainage requirements required for new construction.

You might have a point if not for the fact that the Northline Commons Walmart is only 6 miles from the West Road Walmart. The Yale Street parcel is 7 miles from the Northline Commons Walmart. Additionally, there is a Walmart at FM 1960, Louetta, Sawdust, SH 242 and FM 3083 in Conroe. That's 7 Walmarts in a 35 mile stretch of I-45.

The question is not whether there will be a Walmart inside the loop, but when.

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Because of its proximity to the Heights, I would agree with other earlier posts that it would not make sense to build another location when this Supercenter is being built relatively close to the Heights. And if you look at the amount of space this NorthLine location is taking up, there is no way the land on Yale would work with all of the drainage requirements required for new construction.

I concur that the rumor needs substantiating. It could turn out that this asinine mostly-off-topic thread was instigated by someone with bad information founded on bad assumptions. (That would explain away a lot of the discourse, too.)

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It could turn out that this asinine mostly-off-topic thread was instigated by someone with bad information founded on bad assumptions. (That would explain away a lot of the discourse, too.)

I believe this would explain most of the internet :lol:

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If a Wal-Mart does go in on Yale, my only concern is the traffic. I frequently use Yale to avoid the possibility of a train on Heights Blvd.

Well, the people that knowingly moved in next to railroad tracks that have been there since before they were born were successful in getting the train horns turned off -- maybe they can make the train go away completely and then this won't be a factor!

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You might have a point if not for the fact that the Northline Commons Walmart is only 6 miles from the West Road Walmart. The Yale Street parcel is 7 miles from the Northline Commons Walmart. Additionally, there is a Walmart at FM 1960, Louetta, Sawdust, SH 242 and FM 3083 in Conroe. That's 7 Walmarts in a 35 mile stretch of I-45.

The question is not whether there will be a Walmart inside the loop, but when.

Don't forget you can sprinkle a few Sam's in there for good measure.

Speaking of Sam's (or stores exactly like it), there's a Costco smack in the middle of Greenway and no one seems to mind that in the least. I shopped there all the time when I lived in Greenway, and so did my River Oaks, Afton Oaks, Rice, Bellaire and West U neighbors, if the type of cars they drove were any indication of where they lived (along with the "Tower of Terror" bumper stickers).

I guess Costco must be "cool" like Target.

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I believe this would explain most of the internet :lol:

Porn is founded on bad assumptions?

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Porn is founded on bad assumptions?

Exception to the rule. It's founded on the best assumptions :-)

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http://www.fidelisrealtypartners.com/property/documents/NorthlineFlier.pdf

Some hard info on the Northline Commons Walmart - it has an executed lease, opening October 2010.

Any actual info out there on a Yale St location isn't popping up on this interwebby thing.

We saw this pop up earlier in the thread, but Wal-Mart does not lease space for its stores and, true to form, Northline Commons is actually on a separate parcel of land from Wal-Mart. The fact is, brokers' fliers should rarely be counted on for hard info.

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I concur that the rumor needs substantiating. It could turn out that this asinine mostly-off-topic thread was instigated by someone with bad information founded on bad assumptions. (That would explain away a lot of the discourse, too.)

Not to stir this pot back up, but I just got confirmation that it is Walmart. However, my source did not know whether the deal was closed or not.

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Usually, walmart does some pretty low profile recon in the land they intend to buy. It should be interesting what falls out of the trees.

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So, someone posted the Swamplot post to Heights Kids Group and a mom in the group responded with this:

I can tell you that I have professional relationships with the developer seeking to build on that site and they are most definitely not negotiating a ground lease with Walmart.

ETA: but now I am unsure of what parcel she is talking about. Still, even Sarnoff was unable to really confirm anything.

Once Yale is developed and the area around Arne's, I'm going to be hard pressed to leave the Heights. I hate traffic.

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Here's the followup story on chron.com

http://www.chron.com...ss/7090711.html

The most interesting quote being:

Another grocer had been eyeing the tract.

H-E-B said it recently made an offer on the Ainbinder parcel but was later informed that a counteroffer from Wal-Mart Stores was accepted, spokeswoman Cyndy Garza-Roberts said.

"We will continue to look for sites to bring an H-E-B to the Heights," she said.

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Here's the followup story on chron.com

http://www.chron.com...ss/7090711.html

The most interesting quote being:

Another grocer had been eyeing the tract.

H-E-B said it recently made an offer on the Ainbinder parcel but was later informed that a counteroffer from Wal-Mart Stores was accepted, spokeswoman Cyndy Garza-Roberts said.

"We will continue to look for sites to bring an H-E-B to the Heights," she said.

...and if anyone has any interest in reading and/or participating - here is a link to a FB page - Stop Heights Wal-Mart: http://www.facebook.com/StopHeightsWalMart?v=wall

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Just for fun (and if you Want the Wal-Mart there - here's a preview of what shopping there will be like): http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

People-watching at a Wal-Mart off of Washington Avenue after the bars close should be a blast! I'm already looking forward to shopping there.

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The houston chronicle article today said that "A development site plan obtained by the Houston Chronicle shows a 152,015-square-foot Walmart flanked by a parking lot for 664 cars and additional retail spaces for a bank, fast-food restaurant and other stores."

Has anyone seen any site plans or renderings?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7090711.html

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