Montrose1100 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 It's obvious the opposition live in a bubble. That's why their penthouse condos are in the densest suburban setting in the city. They can't fathom waiting two seconds for a bus or a light rail to pass them by while people who ride public transportation cause them a 2 minute delay to turn left in their Benz. Once again the upper crust is making an argument against mass transit. The big bad government is trying to inflict other people's lives onto their's. Take as old as time. I do see the concern about traffic. Avoiding the loop at rush hour at all costs myself, and the lack of grid that Downtown has, going underground would make total sense for light rail down Post Oak. But flat out attacking mass transit and rallying the troops to oppose it is not the answer. At least Metro is attempting to address our city's greatest problem, instead of sitting back and thinking the solution will sort it's self out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Since the mass transit line (BRT or light rail) was supposed to go to the NW Transit Center, I suggest a compromise: a parallel road that has vehicular traffic lanes, connecting to Post Oak Blvd., thus taking congestion off 610. Everyone wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 huh? where would this road go IT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeopleAreStrange Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm thinking most of the opposition doesn't realize this is supposed to be a rail line in the future, although there are probably some people who would oppose a rail line as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Chimney Rock goes all the way through, but it's also pretty far west of Post Oak to be used as a reliever. The natural choice would be Sage RD, but it would have to be extended across the bayou and through what looks (on Google Earth) to be a very ritzy neighborhood. If it went straight across the bayou it would land in a mansion's backyard That being said a Sim City mayor would have no qualms demoing the couple of houses for a road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pragmatist Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) This is the first house just across the bayou if Sage were to cut through to Silber, which would be wonderful for traffic flow in the area: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/home/trends/article/At-43-million-mansion-listing-breaks-Houston-5783587.php Needless to say, there's is no chance of that happening. Edited May 20, 2015 by The Pragmatist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 cut through tanglewood? hahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah.... that's never going to happen. You think Matress Mack is putting up opposition? If this area is receiving BRT, or LR, Post Oak is really the only place it makes sense to do so. Honestly, I'd like to see them pull out of the galleria area, if the vocal component doesn't want it, let them choke on their traffic and go places that light rail makes sense, but isn't shunned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm thinking most of the opposition doesn't realize this is supposed to be a rail line in the future, although there are probably some people who would oppose a rail line as well. Not just in the future. Probably with this new rail agreement this might be turned back into a light rail line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 huh? where would this road go IT? Not sure. Wish this could've been done as late as 2002, before they built Hotel Granduca and others. As for the light rail, I'm hoping it could go underground to bypass Memorial Park and all that, probably by taking out the apartment complex at the NW corner of Uptown Park Blvd. before re-emerging on Post Oak Road to the north. Meanwhile, to satisfy the congestion problem, cantilevering Post Oak Road over the existing frontage roads to the other side might satisfy TxDOT, or could be in the median as a two lane road as the light rail/bus lane was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.. Houston Business Journal (opinion piece) had an article today about the Bus Lanes "bringing down" Uptown. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/2015/05/op-ed-new-post-oak-bus-lanes-will-bring-down.html So I just read this, and good God the wealthy really will go to extremes to make their lives richer. "Our Rodeo Drive"?! I'll have whatever he's smoking. Edited May 20, 2015 by BigFootsSocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 "Ain't gonna remotely happen." "You can take that to the bank." I wonder if using hackneyed, cliché phrases from a mythical past largely invented by 1950's television shows like Roy Rogers actually increases this guy's credibility with the average Houstonian. I actually think it might. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) "Ain't gonna remotely happen." "You can take that to the bank." I wonder if using hackneyed, cliché phrases from a mythical past largely invented by 1950's television shows like Roy Rogers actually increases this guy's credibility with the average Houstonian. I actually think it might. Those were my favorite parts of the whole article "Hmmm, maybe if I use big words without context and old catchphrases, maybe these lowly-I mean common folk might think I'm one of them!" As much crap as we can give this guy though, we really ought to be directing our anger towards HBJ. Screw those morons for even letting something like this be published. Journalistic integrity? How much money was "donated" for this weird rant? Edited May 20, 2015 by BigFootsSocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So I just read this, and good God the wealthy really will go to extremes to make their lives richer. "Our Rodeo Drive"?! I'll have whatever he's smoking. For the life of me I can never figure out how one compares Post Oak to "Rodeo Drive". Other than their being upper-middle to lower-high class people that live on Post Oak there isn't any real comparison. The conclusion must then be rendered that they need their head examined or they are completely delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Those were my favorite parts of the whole article "Hmmm, maybe if I use big words without context and old catchphrases, maybe these lowly-I mean common folk might think I'm one of them!" As much crap as we can give this guy though, we really ought to be directing our anger towards HBJ. Screw those morons for even letting something like this be published. Journalistic integrity? How much money was "donated" for this weird rant? Bill King writes equally moronic material for Houston chronicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm just glad this whole BRT plan is happening. Regardless of the opposition, the city approved Uptown's budget to include this project. Once this thing is finished, I wonder how many idiots are going to complain once they see how efficient it runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 For the life of me I can never figure out how one compares Post Oak to "Rodeo Drive". Other than their being upper-middle to lower-high class people that live on Post Oak there isn't any real comparison. The conclusion must then be rendered that they need their head examined or they are completely delusional.Container store. Need I say more? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 So many good comments. Although I like living in the area, I agree it's ridiculous to compare Post Oak to Rodeo Drive or call it a "masterpiece". My impression is that the folks saying that haven't traveled much. That said, I'm prepared to be somewhat sympathetic if people own businesses that they think will take a hit during the construction phase. OK -- I said sympathetic -- but there are also reasons to consider the long-term overall good of this community in the future, which go beyond that. I'm not terribly fond of the BRT option; I would prefer rail, preferably underground. I walk in the area a lot and I often wonder when I'm gonna get hit and sent flying or else run over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Also ... I don't really trust Culberson (and I'm in his district). I've tried to withhold judgement, but after I saw him at a presentation Andy Icken (CoH Chief Development Officer) made a few months ago at the Post Oak Hilton, I was rather disgusted. He brought along a small band of sycophants who seemed to have been prepped for the presentation by having their fears whipped up. They were rather rude to Andy, who actually seemed to handle the onslaught of taunts rather well. After that event, it struck me as being odd that -- while virtually everyone sees it as beneficial to have Houston grow fast and their property values increase a lot -- so many people don't see that infrastructure improvements protect their assets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One teensy little thing though... For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One teensy little thing though... For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish. This argument has been used before and with all due respect, it is a weak argument. Amsterdam was built below sea level and they support subways. Also the fact that Houston was able to build a 7 mile tunnel system underneath it's downtown streets also says something. Let's not forget about the motor vehicle tunnels that went underneath the ship channels in Baytown. So, Subway in Houston is not impossible. Even if Houston's political leaders try to convince us that it's not. They just haven't wanted to put up the $$$$ to do so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One teensy little thing though...For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.Ok so your last paragraph isn't really debatable so much as it is totally false. Metro's ridership numbered have increased 11% from January 2015 to January 2016 as a result of the new bus implementation system. The P&R system is definitely used so much more than "somewhat" and the same goes for the Express networks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestUdweller Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One teensy little thing though... For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish. Post less. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 In terms of underground rails, it probably would flood only under rare circumstances, such as 2001 Allison flooding or to a lesser extent floods last Memorial Day, but even Sandy flooded the NYC subways, so it's not a deal-breaker. What would be a potential deal-breaker is dissolved oil under the surface, but the Uptown area never had noxious pre-EPA petrochemical plants and was predominantly farmland. As Richmond, I'm not aware of the fault line (if it exists) but I always got the impression that it was in that state because of a combination of poor maintenance (which isn't unique, most of the roads have gotten really bad before getting replaced) and the fact that it got even worse (in the outer lanes) because of constant bus usage. A fault line problem would be obvious if it starts to fall apart even though the concrete (or asphalt) looks practically brand new, of which Richmond isn't the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Faults don't seem to be an insurmountable problem for BART, LA's subway, the Tokyo metro... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 aww, someone got butthurt by the truth. Post less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 aww, someone got butthurt by the truth. I got butthurt driving down Richmond. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placoors Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish. Not too sure about this. Routes 41 and 76 are SRO on the way to and home from work every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Bus 82 is quite busy, too; I believe they are increasing its frequency to every 6 minutes at peak times to try to handle the ridership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Bus 82 is quite busy, too; I believe they are increasing its frequency to every 6 minutes at peak times to try to handle the ridership. They are adding even more buses to the Westheimer route, giving it a frequency of every six minutes during peak times. That would put it on par with the light rail Red Line I'm not sure when it is starting though. Westheimer really needs some sort of heavier transit method - BRT, light rail, subway, elevated train, cable car - something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 They are I'm not sure when it is starting though. Westheimer really needs some sort of heavier transit method - BRT, light rail, subway, elevated train, cable car - something I've always thought a heavy rail subway under Westheimer from like Beltway 8 all the way into downtown would get great ridership. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNAguy Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I've always thought a heavy rail subway under Westheimer from like Beltway 8 all the way into downtown would get great ridership. If I had a somewhat unlimited check book I'd do: Elevated light rail west of S. Rice st (at grade in certain spots if possible / if there are long stretches without lights). Keep it in the median as there is plenty of street capacity for cars. Underground light rail east of Sage......something like Boston's system. That would save "some" $. But we're talking bazillions of dollars here. Pipe dreams..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If I had a somewhat unlimited check book I'd do: Elevated light rail west of S. Rice st (at grade in certain spots if possible / if there are long stretches without lights). Keep it in the median as there is plenty of street capacity for cars. Underground light rail east of Sage......something like Boston's system. That would save "some" $. But we're talking bazillions of dollars here. Pipe dreams..... Heh, yea my fantasy system would likely cost like $25-30 billion, but it'd get amazing ridership. Neither here nor there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 For anyone interested in the BRT lanes veing installed alobg Post Oak Blvd... the recent news is very positive... so excited to see this moving forward... the Attorney General basically washed his hands on the issue... I wonder how pissed off those who are against the BRT lanes are now? LolUptown-houston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNAguy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 For anyone interested in the BRT lanes veing installed alobg Post Oak Blvd... the recent news is very positive... so excited to see this moving forward... the Attorney General basically washed his hands on the issue... I wonder how pissed off those who are against the BRT lanes are now? LolUptown-houston.com Is there an article that discusses this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) http://www.uptown-houston.com/news/page/post-oak-boulevard-dedicated-bus-lanes If you scroll down you'll see the City of Houston Memo and a few other things involving the BRT lanes. Great news after those jerks tried to take this before a judge who thankfully dismissed the charges. Edited February 23, 2016 by j_cuevas713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdotwill84 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 any potential start date? I'm guessing they wouldn't want the roads ripped up around Super Bowl. So either start now or wait until next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 any potential start date? I'm guessing they wouldn't want the roads ripped up around Super Bowl. So either start now or wait until next year? Work started sometime last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yeah work is well underway with utility work being done first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Looks like the fight may continue on: http://swamplot.com/criminal-complaint-filed-on-behalf-of-cosmo-residents-over-post-oak-bus-lane-land-purchases/2016-04-08/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Urbannizer said: Looks like the fight may continue on: http://swamplot.com/criminal-complaint-filed-on-behalf-of-cosmo-residents-over-post-oak-bus-lane-land-purchases/2016-04-08/ HAHAHA! Man there is no way they have a case. They are fighting tooth and nail with whatever they can. Wayne Dolefino!? HAHAHA! Dude needs to get a life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ahh.. the good ole Cosmopolitan residents strike again. There are plenty of words I can think of to describe them. Unfortunately, they would all be censored on this forum.. Can the city/Uptown TIRZ sue them back? That could put them in their place.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Hold on a second...... I dont know anything about this case but, it makes an allegation that certain policies where not followed and open meetings/records laws were similarly not followed in the procurement of parcels of land. since I am not a lawyer and I have no idea about any local or State precedents, etc, I can't make a judgement on the efficacy of this lawsuit. It might be spurious or it might have merit. How can you judge it merits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxConcrete Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) I don't like the connection between the Post Oak bus lanes and the West Loop bus lane structure. The connection underneath the overpass at Post Oak road will slow down buses and preclude future options, like opening up the West Loop structure to vanpools or HOV. The proposed design is also more disruptive to the main lanes during construction. http://houstonfreeways.com/Home/west-loop-bus-lanes I attached an image of my suggested better design. TxDOTs public meeting is Tuesday Edited April 9, 2016 by MaxConcrete Fix diagram 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I agree, making the bus lane go through the Post Oak/610 frontage intersection always seemed silly to me. Good point about the S curve too. Great amendments all around! It would be nice to see this revision implemented.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Great (and very sensible) proposal, Max. It appears more easily adapted to rail... sorry, "an alternative use." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yeah I'll admit I like it, but with regards to the "S" curve, no other vehicle other than a bus will be allowed onto the lane...and allows plenty of room for a future rail curve... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Feds file fraud charges against Ken Paxton Not sure how big of an impact this has on anything but curious if anyone knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 don't see how it could be related at all. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/04/11/sec-charges-paxton-securities-fraud/ Quote Paxton is named in the SEC's complaint along with William Mapp, the founder and former CEO of Servergy Inc. Paxton is accused of raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for Servergy without disclosing he was making a commission. Quote "People recruiting investors have a legal obligation to disclose any compensation they are receiving to promote a stock, and we allege that Paxton and White concealed the compensation they were receiving for touting Servergy’s product," Shamoil T. Shipchandler, director of the SEC’s Fort Worth regional office 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 No I'm speaking more on if it affects his ability to even look over any lawsuits filed. Like how does this effect him being able to do his job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 15 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said: No I'm speaking more on if it affects his ability to even look over any lawsuits filed. Like how does this effect him being able to do his job? It doesn't. A conviction on his State charges would have more of an impact than the SEC complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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