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A fair bit of thought and effort was expended on this wet dream...and it seems a whole lot more achievable than some of the stuff that the Midtown and Downtown Management Districts have come up with over the years.

Does anybody have the inside scoop? Is there any momentum for this?

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A fair bit of thought and effort was expended on this wet dream...and it seems a whole lot more achievable than some of the stuff that the Midtown and Downtown Management Districts have come up with over the years.

Not a bad stab at community programming. I take issue with the use of signage to create "brand identity." It just sounds like a flimsy premise. Precedents at a similar neighborhood scale would be a useful analytical tool. However that could have been skillfully omitted b/c my gut instinct is that if you close a street for pedestrian use it becomes a no man's land after dark. I'm can't put my finger on it but I believe this was done in Philadelphia and that was the resultant after the banning of autos from the street.

Also you might want to contact Susan Rodgers at UH, she's an expert at this type of programming and probably has an "in."

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A fair bit of thought and effort was expended on this wet dream...and it seems a whole lot more achievable than some of the stuff that the Midtown and Downtown Management Districts have come up with over the years.

Does anybody have the inside scoop? Is there any momentum for this?

A dream it is, but I love the idea. What are the chances they can get developers and architects and the city (to shut down another street) to buy in to this promenade idea?

I like how it leads right into the stadium.

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What are the chances they can get developers and architects and the city (to shut down another street) to buy in to this promenade idea?

Very good, actually. Only three blocks out of eight along the Bastrop Street ROW between the stadium site and Leeland Street are paved...and the pavement that does exist is in horrible shape and gets minimal use.

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Not a bad stab at community programming. I take issue with the use of signage to create "brand identity." It just sounds like a flimsy premise. Precedents at a similar neighborhood scale would be a useful analytical tool. However that could have been skillfully omitted b/c my gut instinct is that if you close a street for pedestrian use it becomes a no man's land after dark. I'm can't put my finger on it but I believe this was done in Philadelphia and that was the resultant after the banning of autos from the street.

Also you might want to contact Susan Rodgers at UH, she's an expert at this type of programming and probably has an "in."

It's a no man's land as it is, a string of muddy, overgrown, vacant lots and a few barely-engineered paved stretches that get basically no traffic...even from neighborhood residents.

It needs to become a street, a park, a bike path, or something.

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Maybe I've just become jaded over these sorts of "visions". So many have come and gone. I know their heart's in the right place, but trying to conjure up some self-consciously hip enclave of coffee shops, galleries and "eco-retailers" by tossing out visions just seems so futile.

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Maybe I've just become jaded over these sorts of "visions". So many have come and gone. I know their heart's in the right place, but trying to conjure up some self-consciously hip enclave of coffee shops, galleries and "eco-retailers" by tossing out visions just seems so futile.

Yeah, that part is futile. And right now in particular, damned near everything without a government commitment is futile...but that's what makes the promenade (by itself) so credible is that the political infrastructure is in place to actually pull it off.

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1. So now that they have a stylish .pdf on their website, what is the next step of an area/district when they come out with something like this?

2. What is L.I.D.?

3. Here is what Shenzhen is I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen

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1. So now that they have a stylish .pdf on their website, what is the next step of an area/district when they come out with something like this?

2. What is L.I.D.?

3. Here is what Shenzhen is I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen

1. I would assume that there would be discussions at the board meetings of the TIRZ and Management District to determine the level of interest and to prioritize this project with other potential projects that they could otherwise take on. That may have already happened; I don't know.

2. Low Impact Development. They're trying to decrease the footprint of imperviable ground cover in order to make stormwater runoff less of an issue. Unless they actually can come in at a lower cost than traditional methods, it probably doesn't make sense to bother with it in the Buffalo Bayou watershed east of downtown, though. Downstream flooding is already minimal.

3. Shenzhen is a large city in China, one of our "sister cities". We've supposedly established a garden dedicated to Shenzhen along the proposed route of the promenade, located here because there used to be a "Chinatown" here (even though it was mostly Vietnamese).

4. HAIF would have to sponsor an obligatory happy hour to Lucky's Pub in "the NEEWD".

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1. I would assume that there would be discussions at the board meetings of the TIRZ and Management District to determine the level of interest and to prioritize this project with other potential projects that they could otherwise take on. That may have already happened; I don't know.

2. Low Impact Development. They're trying to decrease the footprint of imperviable ground cover in order to make stormwater runoff less of an issue. Unless they actually can come in at a lower cost than traditional methods, it probably doesn't make sense to bother with it in the Buffalo Bayou watershed east of downtown, though. Downstream flooding is already minimal.

3. Shenzhen is a large city in China, one of our "sister cities". We've supposedly established a garden dedicated to Shenzhen along the proposed route of the promenade, located here because there used to be a "Chinatown" here (even though it was mostly Vietnamese).

4. HAIF would have to sponsor an obligatory happy hour to Lucky's Pub in "the NEEWD".

Thanks, Niche.

I think the TIRZ have their own websites. When I have a chance, I'm gonna see if they keep minutes of their meetings and see if it has been mentioned. This is something simple that could cause a spark that I'd be willing to pay tax dollars on.

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A dream it is, but I love the idea. What are the chances they can get developers and architects and the city (to shut down another street) to buy in to this promenade idea?

I like how it leads right into the stadium.

The funniest thing in the presentation/proposal is KISS performing on the open air stage for the young urbanites.

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Duplicate thread, please merge.

Curious to know but, where is the dup thread? Didnt see it here and this project looks completely different then the originally proposed "Americas Center" twin-tower development.

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Curious to know but, where is the dup thread? Didnt see it here and this project looks completely different then the originally proposed "Americas Center" twin-tower development.

I think that I put it in the East End sub-forum.

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Have to say... I like it. Especially how it is mindful of the pedestrian activity and makes use of the existing buildings. P-E-R-F-E-C-T for the East End.

It'll be great to be able to bike to soccer games!!

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Im a little unsure Id want to live there with all the hooliganism and whatnot.

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Curious to know but, where is the dup thread? Didnt see it here and this project looks completely different then the originally proposed "Americas Center" twin-tower development.

Part of a bigger thread about East End.

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It's a no man's land as it is, a string of muddy, overgrown, vacant lots and a few barely-engineered paved stretches that get basically no traffic...even from neighborhood residents.

It needs to become a street, a park, a bike path, or something.

I'd love for it to be a park. Throw in a decent sized dog park and that's even better.

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I really like the proposed design, but I'm curious to know if the "bioswell" running down the middle would be create more of a breeding grounds for mosquitos than usual. I know we live in Houston and I should just deal with it, but definitely curious.

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I really like the proposed design, but I'm curious to know if the "bioswell" running down the middle would be create more of a breeding grounds for mosquitos than usual. I know we live in Houston and I should just deal with it, but definitely curious.

A mosquito has never bit me next to the swampy pond next to Disco Green, so I'm assuming they spray. Should be manageable as long as they mind it as well as they do Disco Green.

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A mosquito has never bit me next to the swampy pond next to Disco Green, so I'm assuming they spray. Should be manageable as long as they mind it as well as they do Disco Green.

that and if you look, you can see it's circulated pretty well.

mosquito larvae needs stagnant water to flourish.

that and have you ever gone by there in the evenings? You can barely hear yourself think for all the frog croaking! And every one of those little buggers is happy to munch on some mosquito menace.

I'm sure they also spray.

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What about fish - they eat skeeter eggs. Does/will either of these have fish living in them?

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What about fish - they eat skeeter eggs. Does/will either of these have fish living in them?

The bioswales shown in the plan would be dry...outside of holding water for a few hours after a major rain. So, no fish needed to prevent mosquitoes.

Mosquito eggs need 48 hours to hatch into larvae, so this wouldn't be a mosquito-breeding ground unless there's either a major lack of maintenance or a major major flood (worse than TS Allison) that inundates the area for days.

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The Five-Year Service and Improvement Plan and Assessment Plan (“Service Plan”) for EaDo says this about the "Bastrop Promenade," aka "EaDo Promenade" says,:

The system of hike-and-bike facilities in EaDo will be further upgraded when the proposed Bastrop Promenade project is constructed. Currently planned as a linear pedestrian-only avenue utilizing Bastrop right-of way from Bell to McKinney, this project will increase the attractiveness of EaDo generally and provide an intriguing redevelopment opportunity for those adjacent properties along Bastrop. This project is planned to be constructed in conjunction with the Houston Dynamo Stadium EaDo.

If this gets of the ground, it's gonna be sweet.

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Their idea of what the Shenshen Garden could look like:

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Agreed, that would be real nice but they've gotta quit with 'eado'. That term just sounds nasty.

To my knowledge, residents of the east end were not asked about renaming our area. However, we were allowed to "vote" on a new color scheme/design for the Wayside & 45 underpass. The redo hasn't happened yet. Yawn

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What are they going to do about all the bums in that area?

I imagine they are going to continue to let them sleep all over the place, and stare gloomily at anyone in their general vicinity.

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Agreed, that would be real nice but they've gotta quit with 'eado'. That term just sounds nasty.

To my knowledge, residents of the east end were not asked about renaming our area. However, we were allowed to "vote" on a new color scheme/design for the Wayside & 45 underpass. The redo hasn't happened yet. Yawn

Well, "Eado" sounds a lot better than the popular gentrifying area of Brooklyn known as "Dumbo"!

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Agreed, that would be real nice but they've gotta quit with 'eado'. That term just sounds nasty.

To my knowledge, residents of the east end were not asked about renaming our area. However, we were allowed to "vote" on a new color scheme/design for the Wayside & 45 underpass. The redo hasn't happened yet. Yawn

According to GEEMD's website, the underpass should be repainted by the end of the year. We'll see. The new design is definitely more attractive than what is there now.

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well, I spend as much time as I can using EaDo in regular conversation, but I pronounce it differently all the time, my hope is that eventually, through casual conversation, all of these different pronunciations will drift back to this "EaDo Alliance" and they'll have to come up with a less stupid name.

currently, I'm using the pronunciation: "eh-yah-dough", gives it a nice northeast flair, I think...

It's so silly cause EaDo is so generic and has no backing in the history of the area. Something like Old Chinatown, or East Warehouse District (E.W.D. even has a better ring than EaDo) might give the area some direction of character.

Or maybe it should be named for the future, Generic Town Houses Are Us District (G.T.H.A.U.D. still kind of sucks though)...

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West End, East End, both terms say it very well, in my opinion.

It just seems to me that eado is a bit pretentious and the area where I live is anything but that.

And, I did chuckle at "eh-yah-dough", but I'm not sure that approach will achieve the desired result unless you say it often enough around the 'key' people. Otherwise, the 'keys' will continue to think they've done something really special.

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Alright kids, let's focus. ;) The quote I added in the above post says this could be built once Dynamo Stadium construction starts. That could be as early as one month!

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Alright kids, let's focus. ;) The quote I added in the above post says this could be built once Dynamo Stadium construction starts. That could be as early as one month!

How far is it going to go? Just on the part of the street that isn't currently there, or will it extend all the way to the stadium?

answered my own question regarding distance by reading the first post.

Are they going to have EaDo written on it? Can we petition for another name? (kidding!)

if this 'could' start construction soon after they start construction on the stadium, where is the funding coming from? Since they are going to have to permanently close street access to cars, has the city done impact studies? What info can we find on this? Are there any potential clients for the shops that will be facing this walking street?

I just haven't heard enough about this to get super excited about it being more than as Niche said, a 'wet dream'. I think it would be awesome to have an east end version of rice village, but I haven't seen much to do about it, and I would assume the 'eado' people would be shouting about it from the rooftops.

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West End, East End, both terms say it very well, in my opinion.

It just seems to me that eado is a bit pretentious and the area where I live is anything but that.

How is "eado" pretentious?

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How far is it going to go? Just on the part of the street that isn't currently there, or will it extend all the way to the stadium?

answered my own question regarding distance by reading the first post.

Are they going to have EaDo written on it? Can we petition for another name? (kidding!)

if this 'could' start construction soon after they start construction on the stadium, where is the funding coming from? Since they are going to have to permanently close street access to cars, has the city done impact studies? What info can we find on this? Are there any potential clients for the shops that will be facing this walking street?

I just haven't heard enough about this to get super excited about it being more than as Niche said, a 'wet dream'. I think it would be awesome to have an east end version of rice village, but I haven't seen much to do about it, and I would assume the 'eado' people would be shouting about it from the rooftops.

I believe at least the garden portion of the plan is a project of the Houston-Shenzhen Sister City Association, which has apparently already built a pretty impressive garden in Shenzhen.

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How is "eado" pretentious?

By imitating the "Soho" type construction that so many cities try to dream up to signify "hip" urban areas. Perhaps not pretentious as much as fatuous.

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Since this area isn't as far out as the East End.. And since we've already well established our Up,down,Mid,Near town naming convention.. And since I agree with the crowd that dislikes stealing a naming convention from NYC. I dub thee, area between 59, tracks, York/Sampson, and 45...... Easttown. ....or Easton, if you wanna say it faster while being cutsey.

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By imitating the "Soho" type construction that so many cities try to dream up to signify "hip" urban areas. Perhaps not pretentious as much as fatuous.

Yes, what Subdude said.

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If you look at a satellite image, the promenade is currently grass but looks like it used to be Bastrop St. Anyone know the history behind that?

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I was wondering that too.

 

This project has been very quiet for a long time.  The Houston First/Convention Center District should really be pushing for this.  Having a walkable area with Bars and Restaurants right behind the convention center is really what they need to compete. 

 

Any news anyone?

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I spoke to someone who works for the Greater East End District, and he told that phase 1 will start in late October, early November.  Phase 1 consists of utility improvements, landscape improvements, and improved lighting is what I've heard.  No mention about bars or restaurants for Phase 1 unfortunately. 

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