moni Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Someone that I follow on twitter, found this:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/americas/21mexico.html?_Is this a good idea? Should we do this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 How long till las tiendas de cafe start popping up in every border town from Tijuana to Matamoros? At least now I can save the two grand on round trip tickets to Amsterdam when the urge kicks in.Who needs a red light district when you've got donkey shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyTree Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 It's hard to say if this is a good thing. It seems like a short term sol'n to a long term problem that will not end well. I'm personally of the opinion we should use the CIA to create a peasant uprising to depose of Mexico's ruling class. They've proven to only stifle innovation and b/c of that; it is the reason we are having the illegal immigration problem in the first place. To answer the other question, no, we shouldn't ever follow Mexico's lead on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barracuda Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 We should start by legalizing marijuana. The only groups who are really against legalization are the drug companies, private prisons, and tightly-wound folks who are afraid they might be tempted to try it (and might like it). I'd like to see law enforcement and prisons be used for people who commit real crimes, and stop worrying about some grandmother smoking a joint to ease her glaucoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 This would be a bad thing. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Its hard to argue that this is the wrong thing for Mexico. The war between law enforcement and the drug business is currently destroying Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Chan's Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Drug use in and of itself is a victimless crime...just like alcohol use.Both can turn into a bad thing when the user lacks self-control. For that matter, Shipley's Donuts and KFC can be just as harmful to a person as drugs and alcohol.I say legalize it, use real and honest drug education to inform the populace about the true effects of both drugs AND alcohol, and let rational adults make their own decisions...and punish them when those decisions harm others (domestic violence, DWI, theft, absenteeism, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 It's hard to say if this is a good thing. It seems like a short term sol'n to a long term problem that will not end well. I'm personally of the opinion we should use the CIA to create a peasant uprising to depose of Mexico's ruling class. They've proven to only stifle innovation and b/c of that; it is the reason we are having the illegal immigration problem in the first place. To answer the other question, no, we shouldn't ever follow Mexico's lead on anything.LOL...I can't think of any examples where the CIA has successfully created a peasant uprising that has deposed anybody. Best they've been able to do is replace one dictator with another who then might stay friendly (for a while). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 LOL...I can't think of any examples where the CIA has successfully created a peasant uprising that has deposed anybody. Best they've been able to do is replace one dictator with another who then might stay friendly (for a while).No kidding. You didn't happen to serve in the 1980s, did you? More stories about the CIA and south-of-the-border than I think most people would want to hear.We financed the Central American and South American drug trade for years. Exactly like the heroin and opiate trade in Asia. The 'war on drugs' is an expensive farce. It is a symptom of national psychosis that we would sentence low level drug users and dealers to rot in federal pens with stiffer penalties than we give murderers and rapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 We financed the Central American and South American drug trade for years. Exactly like the heroin and opiate trade in Asia. The 'war on drugs' is an expensive farce. Farce implies an intentional comedy. It's straight up effed up what we did in Central America. And for what, cheap bananas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barracuda Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 The shifting economics of the marijuana trade have broad implications for Mexico's war against the drug cartels, suggesting that market forces, as much as law enforcement, can extract a heavy price from criminal organizations that have used the spectacular profits generated by pot sales to fuel the violence and corruption that plague the Mexican state.Homegrown Pot Threatens Mexican Cartels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 decriminalization would be healthy for our country. ending the drug war would save hundreds of billions. drug cartels might fall apart.how would this affect sales of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs i wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gto250us Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Drugs were illegal in Mexico? Damn, who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJVilla Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Drug use in and of itself is a victimless crime...just like alcohol use.Both can turn into a bad thing when the user lacks self-control. For that matter, Shipley's Donuts and KFC can be just as harmful to a person as drugs and alcohol.I say legalize it, use real and honest drug education to inform the populace about the true effects of both drugs AND alcohol, and let rational adults make their own decisions...and punish them when those decisions harm others (domestic violence, DWI, theft, absenteeism, etc.)Plus you could tax them like you do other legal drugs. Someone's comments from cbsnews article: The legalization of marijuana, even in limited cases such as medical use has had a great impact. It has reduced the influence, money and violence of drug cartels. It has added to State tax revenues, had reduced law enforcement and justice costs, and has allowed to some degree the allocation of State resources to more useful pursuits than jailing pot smokers.There is a lesson to learn from this, that laws against the use of illicit drugs do not work. These laws are expensive to enforce, add to organized crime growth and the ensuing violence, and overall are a GIANT waste of our tax dollars. The time has come to legalize all of these drugs. It is better to control and tax the drugs than force it underground.For those who favor the status quo it is time to, "get real." The laws haven't stopped anyone from using drugs. Prohibition didn't work in the 1930's and it isn't working now with drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heights2Bastrop Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 There always has been, and there always will be Organized Crime in America and the rest of the world. However, it wasn't until Prohibition was passed that it became Big Business here. When prohibition was repealed, illegal drugs replaced liquor as the main source of revenue for the Mafia. If it's illegal, there's illegal (non-taxable) money to be made on it.Drugs will never be legalized because it would put too many lawyers out of business, and Government is run by lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Drugs will never be legalized because it would put too many lawyers out of business, and Government is run by lawyers.Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I highly recommend Eric Schlosser's (Fast Food Nation) book called Reefer Madness. He has a great section on the War on Drugs, federal minimum sentencing effectively placing judicial decisons in the hands of federal prosectors, etc. It's a little outdated, in that it pre-dates the rise in the open medical-marijuana trade in California.(The book also contains a really good, short history of the growth of the modern US porn industry.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Drugs were illegal in Mexico? Damn, who knew?Haha, I was going to write the exact same thing. I can't say this is entirely surprising to me, especially considering recent history. I don't know if I see this as being a long term legalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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