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Dallas has: http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/

It's a little archaic. Just sayin' (trying not to flame, as prohibited in this forum sectionbiggrin.gif ). They get angry with HAIF. (See this thread http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=6809 ... You go, totheskies!).

It's also my impression that Dallas posters are pretty active on http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=92. Don't mention HAIF there, though. They're...um...apparently uptight about that.

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Maybe it's time to start one. "DAIF" sounds kind of strange, though. Kind of like

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I took a little look around that Dallas forum. There's a lot of anger there. It doesn't seem to be aimed in any particular direction. You can post just about anything and someone will jump ugly with you. And every person defends his/her suburb as if it's the best place in the world and everywhere else is worthless. It's a very strange fortress mentality.

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Maybe it's time to start one. "DAIF" sounds kind of strange, though. Kind of like

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I took a little look around that Dallas forum. There's a lot of anger there. It doesn't seem to be aimed in any particular direction. You can post just about anything and someone will jump ugly with you. And every person defends his/her suburb as if it's the best place in the world and everywhere else is worthless. It's a very strange fortress mentality.

That is a microcosm of the DFW area in real life. Having spent almost 9 years in Dallas, Irving, Fort Worth, and Plano, I felt and heard the territorial atmosphere, though admittedly it is much more stark seeing it all together in a forum. And it is far more pronounced in local politics.

There is a bit of that in Houston as well, notably The Woodlands and Katy and to a lesser extent, some of the other towns, but it seems to be more of a pride in one's location, as opposed to denigrating another. I suspect it has a lot to do with the way the areas incorporated. If The Woodlands incorporation spurred a flurry of incorporations, I think we'd hear a lot more of that stuff.

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That is a microcosm of the DFW area in real life. Having spent almost 9 years in Dallas, Irving, Fort Worth, and Plano, I felt and heard the territorial atmosphere, though admittedly it is much more stark seeing it all together in a forum. And it is far more pronounced in local politics.

There is a bit of that in Houston as well, notably The Woodlands and Katy and to a lesser extent, some of the other towns, but it seems to be more of a pride in one's location, as opposed to denigrating another. I suspect it has a lot to do with the way the areas incorporated. If The Woodlands incorporation spurred a flurry of incorporations, I think we'd hear a lot more of that stuff.

100% agree

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So I might have a free flight to Dallas available to me in the fall. Is it worth heading down there to take some pictures, get a feel for the area, and put together a Dallas web site?

There are some nice buildings up there, so I can't see why not. I'm not from the region, so I don't know anything other than the downtown area.

Gonna throw up a DAIF? :)

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There are some nice buildings up there, so I can't see why not. I'm not from the region, so I don't know anything other than the downtown area.

Gonna throw up a DAIF? :)

Maybe. I'd like to get more feedback on it first, though.

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Ouch! You ain't kidding. I clicked on your link and I was the only person there. Even YOU weren't online. :mellow:

I wasn't kidding when I said it's pretty slow...

I would be online all the time but my algebra and sociology classes wont take themselves! (well they kinda will, but my grade won't)

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Maybe. I'd like to get more feedback on it first, though.

It'd be nice. Dallas Metropolis is in a big slump and the site is so hostile at times. Not to mention the forum design is outdated. If you started one up, would it have the same design as HAIF?

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It'd be nice. Dallas Metropolis is in a big slump and the site is so hostile at times. Not to mention the forum design is outdated. If you started one up, would it have the same design as HAIF?

I'm not sure what I'd do in terms of design. I think it would be similar, simply because it would have my touch.

This isn't official; I just like to be prepared:

http://dsfwa.com/

Just sayin' 'sall.

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So I might have a free flight to Dallas available to me in the fall. Is it worth heading down there to take some pictures, get a feel for the area, and put together a Dallas web site?

If you visit, try to do it Oct. 12-18 or soon after MORE INFO. That's the grand opening of the Dallas Center for Performing Arts, which will definitely be worth a visit.

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If you visit, try to do it Oct. 12-18 or soon after MORE INFO. That's the grand opening of the Dallas Center for Performing Arts, which will definitely be worth a visit.

I'm tied up this month and next and next, so it would probably be late October at the earliest. I'd probably either fly into Houston and drive to Dallas or the other way around. Too bad there isn't a train between the two.

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I'm more of a fan of Fort Worth than Dallas. I always found people from Dallas to be way to uptight. Fort Worth has great museums, food and entertainment places and a way better zoo.  I just feel more relaxed when I visit FW. 

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I'm more of a fan of Fort Worth than Dallas. I always found people from Dallas to be way to uptight. Fort Worth has great museums, food and entertainment places and a way better zoo.  I just feel more relaxed when I visit FW. 

I've been to Dallas about five times, but Fort Worth only once. I agree with you, though. Fort Worth is way more my style than Dallas.

That said, if a site is created, all of the North Texas communities will be represented and respected. Those who don't will be sanctioned. There will be no inter-suburb feuds on DSFWA.com.

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I think its a great idea, my only conscern, not that it matters, but you asked for an opinion,

is about site activity, specifically forum activity. Most of your sites, although informative, lack active forum activity.

At least last time i checked.

Take for example Southland Arch. , isnt this the newest site? Yet things haven't picked up...

Would a dallas site be a waste? Over time i think it will be a mini-HAIF, the question is how long..

Good luck in your future endeavors, Editor...

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I think its a great idea, my only conscern, not that it matters, but you asked for an opinion,

is about site activity, specifically forum activity. Most of your sites, although informative, lack active forum activity.

At least last time i checked.

Take for example Southland Arch. , isnt this the newest site? Yet things haven't picked up...

Would a dallas site be a waste? Over time i think it will be a mini-HAIF, the question is how long..

Good luck in your future endeavors, Editor...

You're right that the other sites' fora haven't taken off. That's the reason they all redirect to the Agoraphoria site. It's a catch-all for my non-HAIF forum needs.

The reason I think a DSFWA forum might have a shot is because there are a number of North Texans who are active on HAIF. If I can convince those people to contribute to the new forum, they could be the seed of something great. With the other city fora I've started from scratch. I hope that if I pursue this plan, HAIFers will help kick start the Dallas/Fort Worth site.

Starting a forum properly (instead of just piggybacking on an existing site like Agoraphoria or going with some lame free hosting service) is something that takes time and money. I wouldn't launch until November at the earliest, in part because I have to put together $200 to license new forum software and I have a lot of other expenses coming up this fall.

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As an aside, since you brought up the other web sites -- you're entirely right -- the forum sections of those web sites have failed to thrive. The Chicago site did pretty well for about a year, but died when I merged it into Agoraphoria. Starting, running, and maintaining a forum isn't easy as evidenced by the former HAIF competitors that have gone out of business.

But interestingly, other forms of interaction are doing surprisingly well. For example, I don't promote any of the sites' Flickr groups, yet the London site has 89 members who contribute photos -- more than even the HAIF Flickr group, which does get some limited promotion. The London Flickr group has only been around for a few months.

Also, the Twitter feeds are remarkably popular for features that are not promoted.

And the Chicago Facebook page has 53 fans in three months, again with zero promotion; and the Chicago Blog has several thousand unique visitors each week, still with zero promotion.

I'm not sure what the lesson is here. Well, aside from the fact that I have far more properties than I have time to promote them.

Maybe the lesson is that the new forms of social media (Flickr, Twitter, Facebook, blogs) are more popular than the old forms (forums, etc...). I don't know.

Again, I'm still only just considering the North Texas site (trying hard not to call it a "Dallas" site). But if there are enough HAIFers who think it's a good idea, I might go for it.

How about it? Would any of you HAIFers participate in a Dallas/Fort Worth/North Texas forum?

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I'd help out with that North Texas site. I started a forum a while ago (for Atlanta), but school and other things got in the way. We were doing pretty good at one time. But yeah, I'd definitely help out with a North Texas site.

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I think you'd have better luck marketing it as a North Texas site. Not that there's a lot of development outside of DFW, but it'd help attract more potential posters. I've been thinking I might have gotten more posters if it was named Central Texas instead of Austin. Just a suggestion.

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I think you'd have better luck marketing it as a North Texas site. Not that there's a lot of development outside of DFW, but it'd help attract more potential posters. I've been thinking I might have gotten more posters if it was named Central Texas instead of Austin. Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the thoughts. I've been trying to get in the habit of writing "North Texas" because there's a trademark issue with "Metroplex."

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Thanks for the thoughts. I've been trying to get in the habit of writing "North Texas" because there's a trademark issue with "Metroplex."

"Metroplex" is trademarked? Who'd have thunk it? Maybe you can try one of those marketing-type names, like "NoTex". ^_^

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Thanks for the thoughts. I've been trying to get in the habit of writing "North Texas" because there's a trademark issue with "Metroplex."

You could give a nod to the Arlington marketing campaign of the 1990s, where they attempted to become relevant by pushing the 'DAFW' acronym (pronounced Daf-Wa). It failed miserably, and they returned to their practice of funding sports stadiums to draw attention.

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Wow. Arlington likes to pretend that they are a big city, when it is really just an oversized bedroom-community.

Arlington would be a bedroom community if you took out Six Flags over Texas, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, Rangers Ballpark, Cowboys Stadium, GM's only SUV plant in North America, and UT-Arlington, other then those, yeah its just a bedroom community. The metroplex is so spread out that there are few traditional bedroom communities. Cities like Plano, Richardson, Irving, Arlington, etc. have more daytime employees then DT Forth Worth. McKinney and Allen are two traditional suburbs, not Arlington.

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You're right that the other sites' fora haven't taken off. That's the reason they all redirect to the Agoraphoria site. It's a catch-all for my non-HAIF forum needs.

The reason I think a DSFWA forum might have a shot is because there are a number of North Texans who are active on HAIF. If I can convince those people to contribute to the new forum, they could be the seed of something great. With the other city fora I've started from scratch. I hope that if I pursue this plan, HAIFers will help kick start the Dallas/Fort Worth site.

Starting a forum properly (instead of just piggybacking on an existing site like Agoraphoria or going with some lame free hosting service) is something that takes time and money. I wouldn't launch until November at the earliest, in part because I have to put together $200 to license new forum software and I have a lot of other expenses coming up this fall.

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As an aside, since you brought up the other web sites -- you're entirely right -- the forum sections of those web sites have failed to thrive. The Chicago site did pretty well for about a year, but died when I merged it into Agoraphoria. Starting, running, and maintaining a forum isn't easy as evidenced by the former HAIF competitors that have gone out of business.

But interestingly, other forms of interaction are doing surprisingly well. For example, I don't promote any of the sites' Flickr groups, yet the London site has 89 members who contribute photos -- more than even the HAIF Flickr group, which does get some limited promotion. The London Flickr group has only been around for a few months.

Also, the Twitter feeds are remarkably popular for features that are not promoted.

And the Chicago Facebook page has 53 fans in three months, again with zero promotion; and the Chicago Blog has several thousand unique visitors each week, still with zero promotion.

I'm not sure what the lesson is here. Well, aside from the fact that I have far more properties than I have time to promote them.

Maybe the lesson is that the new forms of social media (Flickr, Twitter, Facebook, blogs) are more popular than the old forms (forums, etc...). I don't know.

Again, I'm still only just considering the North Texas site (trying hard not to call it a "Dallas" site). But if there are enough HAIFers who think it's a good idea, I might go for it.

How about it? Would any of you HAIFers participate in a Dallas/Fort Worth/North Texas forum?

You should cut your losses...but then if i had put half as much effort to create them, i wouldn't do away with them...

On the subject of participation, i'd look into the site.

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Arlington would be a bedroom community if you took out Six Flags over Texas, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, Rangers Ballpark, Cowboys Stadium, GM's only SUV plant in North America, and UT-Arlington, other then those, yeah its just a bedroom community. The metroplex is so spread out that there are few traditional bedroom communities. Cities like Plano, Richardson, Irving, Arlington, etc. have more daytime employees then DT Forth Worth. McKinney and Allen are two traditional suburbs, not Arlington.

I'll give you the GM Plant and UT-Arlington (which is a commuter campus by the way), but other than that, no. Arlington got suckered with the Rangers and especially Cowboys stadium. Hoping both would push them up to "big city" status. Six Flags? Hurricane Harbor? Nah. Now, I wouldn't call Plano, Irving, or Richardson bedroom communities. Both have a ton of companies and business districts. Arlington doesn't. I'd say Arlington is an overgrown Grand Prairie.

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That said, if a site is created, all of the North Texas communities will be represented and respected. Those who don't will be sanctioned. There will be no inter-suburb feuds on DSFWA.com.

I'll give you the GM Plant and UT-Arlington (which is a commuter campus by the way), but other than that, no. Arlington got suckered with the Rangers and especially Cowboys stadium. Hoping both would push them up to "big city" status. Six Flags? Hurricane Harbor? Nah. Now, I wouldn't call Plano, Irving, or Richardson bedroom communities. Both have a ton of companies and business districts. Arlington doesn't. I'd say Arlington is an overgrown Grand Prairie.

I'm not saying that I disagree with Trae's comments. Objectively speaking, I think they're pretty well spot on. But...the truth is going to piss people off who live in or own property in Arlington or Grand Prairie. I'm not sure that inter-suburb flame wars can be prevented.

Houston is very lucky in a way, that we don't have very many hard boundaries that are widely recognized and understood. You can say that you live in Houston, and that could mean anything. You could say that you live in west, north, southeast, southwest Houston, and none of those cardinal directions necessarily communicate anything about you. If you start talking zip codes, nobody understands you. If you start talking neighborhoods, only folks on your side of town really have a good idea where you're talking about, and they don't really want to say anything bad to outsiders about their part of town (though, as an example, they may express concern to local populations over the lower-class neighborhoods of north Pasadena or north Katy if they're southies). Where you do have well-defined suburbs, they're master planned communities, and expectations are pretty uniform, with people seeming to choose between them based on where they work and whether they prefer pine trees or oak trees.

It's not to say that Houston is exempt from neighborhood-based snobbery, but it seems to mostly come from folks who believe that their political beliefs are superior and that like-minded people should live close to one another, segregating themselves from the general population as though the general population were going to convert them (and we all know that it can't work the other way around :wacko:).

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I just went browsing over to Dallasmetropolis.com and I wasn't there for five minutes before I came across a condo project that was advertising itself as "the place to see and be seen". To me, that ad is a metaphor for what is wrong with Dallas. Far too many people up there seem to be into "image". In my opinion, you don't see near as much of that fakery in Houston.

It will be interesting to see whether the younger generation in Dallas move away from that attitude.

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..."the place to see and be seen". To me, that ad is a metaphor for what is wrong with Dallas. Far too many people up there seem to be into "image". In my opinion, you don't see near as much of that fakery in Houston.

It will be interesting to see whether the younger generation in Dallas move away from that attitude.

pfffft. In MY opinion, you shouldn't use clichéd marketing slogans as metaphors for the collective attitude of a city's people. I consider myself a member of the younger Dallas generation and I have been working to dismantle that misconception for a while now. I'll continue to do so with a positive contribution to this board, which is admittedly superior to the DFWUrban forum, and I pledge not to drag threads into "flame war" status.

That being said, add a DAIF site, or DFWAIF, or NTAIF (if you don't want to exclude all the many fiefdoms that constitute the North Texas region, they can get cranky when the whole area is referred to as Dallas). I would contribute.

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I think any forum dedicated to Dallas architecture should be called DAFF. :wacko:

While it isn't an architecture-base site, www.dallasdigest.com has been my favorite here in the metroplex for several years. It's hosted by Dallas radio personality Kevin McCarthy who is heard on Saturday mornings in Houston on KTRH as the co-host of The CarGuy Show with Jerry Reynolds.

The site consists mostly of people who grew up in the DFW area, plus a few Houston ex-pats like myself, and other members from as far away as the UK. Most of the conversations are humorous with a few political arguments and bare-knuckle fistfights thrown in, but I've enjoyed it over the years, as well as the get-togethers and happy hours we occasionally have.

One problem is that spammers have found the site and Kevin requests that new members email him before joining. That way he can open the gates while newcomers join, then close them to keep out the spammers.

Please look around and think about joining. I need a few more hometowners there.

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