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Say No To Fiesta Until They Say Yes To Mams House Of Ice


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I just had my first MAMS HOUSE OF ICE snoball and I fear it may be my last. Mam's opened May 29th and the community is in love with the little blue building that houses some of the most decadent and wholesome dessert we have seen in a long time. Mam's is family friendly, within walking distance, and it dresses up an ugly, unused and unsafe Fiesta parking lot.

One neighbor across Studewood and down half a block, has sent an email complaining to Fiesta. I am told that his main complaint is the sound of the generators. I was sitting next to the generators and I was unaware of their presence. Evidently this man has sued Fiesta multiple times, so they would just rather not deal with him.

Call your local Fiesta and complain. Tell them you will not shop there if they are not going to fight for the communities in which they do business. Allowing one person to make decisions for the entire community does not show strength of character. I will be shopping everywhere but Fiesta. Call Fiesta and tell them to say yes MAM's!

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What if Fiesta just "sold" MAM's electricity as part of the "ground lease"? It would relatively simple to determine the power consumption of their snowball-making machines.

That's a great idea. I don't think the generators are really his complaint, there is no way he hears them from his house, but it would certainly expose his complaint as baseless.

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Across the street? Does he sue drivers for making noise on Studewood? Get over it. Or just find another parking lot, it's not a hard business to move. Come in front of our yard, that would be sweet, and they could do drive-thru business too.

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Across the street? Does he sue drivers for making noise on Studewood? Get over it. Or just find another parking lot, it's not a hard business to move. Come in front of our yard, that would be sweet, and they could do drive-thru business too.

They say that a lot of the neighbors have offerered their yards, that says a lot for them.

Go by there and sign the petition to keep them at Fiesta and honor their lease agreement.

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I just had my first MAMS HOUSE OF ICE snoball and I fear it may be my last. Mam's opened May 29th and the community is in love with the little blue building that houses some of the most decadent and wholesome dessert we have seen in a long time. Mam's is family friendly, within walking distance, and it dresses up an ugly, unused and unsafe Fiesta parking lot.

One neighbor across Studewood and down half a block, has sent an email complaining to Fiesta. I am told that his main complaint is the sound of the generators. I was sitting next to the generators and I was unaware of their presence. Evidently this man has sued Fiesta multiple times, so they would just rather not deal with him.

Call your local Fiesta and complain. Tell them you will not shop there if they are not going to fight for the communities in which they do business. Allowing one person to make decisions for the entire community does not show strength of character. I will be shopping everywhere but Fiesta. Call Fiesta and tell them to say yes MAM's!

Apparently, this guy loathes the idea of a supermarket CLOSE to his house. I say we send realtors from out-of-way suburbs (ya know, these endless suburbs where you die of starvation if your car breaks down and you can't drive to a food store) like Katy or Sugarland to him and convince him to move out of there. :-)

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Apparently, this guy loathes the idea of a supermarket CLOSE to his house. I say we send realtors from out-of-way suburbs (ya know, these endless suburbs where you die of starvation if your car breaks down and you can't drive to a food store) like Katy or Sugarland to him and convince him to move out of there. :-)

Yep, he belongs in Kingwood.

And this actually greatly upgrades the side of Fiesta that faces studewood. It is a neat and clean little building that is very charming.

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One neighbor across Studewood and down half a block, has sent an email complaining to Fiesta. I am told that his main complaint is the sound of the generators. I was sitting next to the generators and I was unaware of their presence. Evidently this man has sued Fiesta multiple times, so they would just rather not deal with him.

I think you are making this up. Heights residents are not complainers. They take life's little disruptions with a stiff upper lip. A Heights resident would never complain about an ice cream trailer. Next, you'll probably say that Heights residents complained about Starbucks moving in!

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Wait, if this ain't the pot callin' the kettle "black". One man complains about the noise, and Fiesta turns tail. Now, we got one woman complaining and expecting Fiesta to bow to her will with a threat of a boycott? Perhaps not everyone fancies the MAM's snocone as you do ?

Of course, I am just messin' with ya. The man is obviuosly a lunatic. Perhaps you could find some housing for him on your "acreage" and Fiesta could enjoy life from here on out ?

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Wait, if this ain't the pot callin' the kettle "black". One man complains about the noise, and Fiesta turns tail. Now, we got one woman complaining and expecting Fiesta to bow to her will with a threat of a boycott? Perhaps not everyone fancies the MAM's snocone as you do ?

Of course, I am just messin' with ya. The man is obviuosly a lunatic. Perhaps you could find some housing for him on your "acreage" and Fiesta could enjoy life from here on out ?

Another coffee spew. I am going to have to stop reading the haif while drinking my coffee. My dry cleaning bill is growing. :)

He wouldn't like my acreage, it will have a snoball store and barking dogs.

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Is there any contact information for the protester? Or is he remaining anonymous?

I don't know what his preference is, but we have his name and address.

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Another coffee spew. I am going to have to stop reading the haif while drinking my coffee. My dry cleaning bill is growing. :)

He wouldn't like my acreage, it will have a snoball store and barking dogs.

Oh HELL, a snoball store, sign me up for some of that acreage. LOL! ;)

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I love MAM's and signed the petition.

I love the idea of dressing up the unused parking lot. How cool would it be if this parking lot became known as the destination for cool trailers dishing out their unique and diverse delicacies (not just a taco truck but something more like the Airstream trailers in Seaside, FL or South Congress in Austin, TX). I would sure visit Fiesta even more often.

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With all of the music blaring from vehicles, the cars zooming by at 80mph, and the semi-regular ambulance and fire truck traffic from the Main St. firehouse going down Studewood... someone compained about a snowball stand? Seriously? Is this a joke? The snoball stand is disrupting someone's peace? really? THANKS FOR THE MAMories! I hope you come back.

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It's worse than I thought, the email did not complain about noise. The man said he thought it was tacky and would attact a criminal element. Here is your criminal element, lots of kids enjoying their ice, the old fashioned kind.

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It's worse than I thought, the email did not complain about noise. The man said he thought it was tacky and would attact a criminal element. Here is your criminal element:

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People who are in a parking lot to buy things doesn't attract a criminal element, unmanned/unguarded parking lots do. No one is going to break into a car while there are half a dozen people right there getting chilly treats. Whoever at Fiesta is listening to this idiot needs to be fired.

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Someone explain to me why you haven't gone to this person's house and knocked on the door, to politely discuss the matter. Clearly it's one person, and you all seem to know which house he lives in.

Jesus, the internet has turned people into a bunch of passive-aggressive puppies! This is the equivalent about complaining, via email, about the guy next to you at work who smells like crap and talks too loudly in his cubicle. Before long everyone wears too much perfume and whispers, all while continuing to complain.

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I don't know whether approaching the person complaining would help but, if someone's willing to do so, I suppose it's worth a try. But a surprise visit at his home by a stranger could backfire and further entrench him in his position... if you want to go that route, I'd suggest one person send him a note inviting him to meet just the notewriter and someone from MAM's (i.e., not an ambush) at MAM's to discuss his concerns at some particular time, leaving him contact info to suggest an alternative time.

It does seem strange to me that Fiesta is going to break the sublease just based on one complaint, but I'm guessing there may be more to it. I know from Ike that generators can be loud, plus the regulations that apply to mobile food units in Houston are pretty onerous (I think they're just generally loosely enforced). Maybe the person complaining has raised a possible legal violation that Fiesta believes has some substance - if it does, Fiesta could be justified in wanting to break the sublease now that it's on notice of the violation. I don't know what the legal violation would be, but if it's something to do with the generators, MAM's might try getting noise-level readings as proof they're in compliance there.

The petition is a good idea, esp. - though someone might want to create one online at ipetitions.com or some other site. With a short deadline, you might be able to gather more signatures that way.

Also, have MAM's and Fiesta explored moving MAM's to another spot in the parking lot? Fiesta has a lot of parking areas. Maybe moving to another spot would address the neighbor's concerns? Or changing the operating hours?

If there is no legal violation at issue, does MAM's intend to fight to hold on to the sublease? Or is the sublease subject to cancellation with 10 days' notice? If there's not a legal violation at issue, and Fiesta is truly looking to "break" the lease, is MAM's going to get a TRO? Maybe they could find a lawyer to help them pro bono?

Without knowing more, I'm not going to boycott Fiesta. I don't know their side of it. Someone might ask Fiesta their side of it, though, and if there's someone at Fiesta to whom emails of support for MAM's could be sent.

I guess the only other idea I have is to schedule a day and time over the weekend where supporters of MAM's can all gather at MAM's to show their support. And let Fiesta know in advance when that will be. If it were me, though, I'd emphasize that the gathering is to show how much people like Mam's and snoballs, etc. - not to be negative. It's the showing of neighborhood support that I think would be key - numbers and positivity.

Sorry this is such a long post - I was just trying to think of some things that might help. I like the idea of MAM's being there. And love the idea of adding a taco truck - Fiesta could do that themselves, I think, as they've got the steam table inside. Which I think allows them to operate under a different set of rules regarding MFU's b/c the food wouldn't be prepared in the truck.

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When snoballs are banned, only the criminals will have snoballs!!

:lol: someone posted on Swamplot 'there goes the snoberhood!' OK, I didn't mean everyone is a passive aggressive weenie, but seriously, has anyone actually talked to the guy? I'm sure we've all seen how neighborhood issues escalalte as the result of not talking things through. Who knows, there may be a solution.

If not, I know a guy, who knows a couple of guys, who could perhaps persuade your neighbor to have a change of heart. If you know what I mean. :ph34r:

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If not, I know a guy, who knows a couple of guys, who could perhaps persuade your neighbor to have a change of heart. If you know what I mean. :ph34r:

:lol: I know you are well connected with the Italians, but I can help with the Colombians if necessary. They have been a big help keeping my cul de sac safe the last couple of years.

Will have to go and try MAMS this week. They seem worth the trip.

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Someone explain to me why you haven't gone to this person's house and knocked on the door, to politely discuss the matter. Clearly it's one person, and you all seem to know which house he lives in.

Jesus, the internet has turned people into a bunch of passive-aggressive puppies! This is the equivalent about complaining, via email, about the guy next to you at work who smells like crap and talks too loudly in his cubicle. Before long everyone wears too much perfume and whispers, all while continuing to complain.

Actually, she is going to talk to him today to see if there is anything they can work out.

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I don't know whether approaching the person complaining would help but, if someone's willing to do so, I suppose it's worth a try. But a surprise visit at his home by a stranger could backfire and further entrench him in his position... if you want to go that route, I'd suggest one person send him a note inviting him to meet just the notewriter and someone from MAM's (i.e., not an ambush) at MAM's to discuss his concerns at some particular time, leaving him contact info to suggest an alternative time. Excellent idea

It does seem strange to me that Fiesta is going to break the sublease just based on one complaint, but I'm guessing there may be more to it. I know from Ike that generators can be loud, plus the regulations that apply to mobile food units in Houston are pretty onerous (I think they're just generally loosely enforced). Maybe the person complaining has raised a possible legal violation that Fiesta believes has some substance - if it does, Fiesta could be justified in wanting to break the sublease now that it's on notice of the violation. I don't know what the legal violation would be, but if it's something to do with the generators, MAM's might try getting noise-level readings as proof they're in compliance there. Actually, nowhere in his email complaint did he mention generators as I originally thought. His beef is that it is tacky looking and will draw a criminal element. There is a ten day clause in the contract.

The petition is a good idea, esp. - though someone might want to create one online at ipetitions.com or some other site. With a short deadline, you might be able to gather more signatures that way.

Also, have MAM's and Fiesta explored moving MAM's to another spot in the parking lot? Fiesta has a lot of parking areas. Maybe moving to another spot would address the neighbor's concerns? Or changing the operating hours? Fiesta has suggested that they move to the back parking lot, but that lot is so chaotic that they are concerned for the safety of the children that come there.

If there is no legal violation at issue, does MAM's intend to fight to hold on to the sublease? Or is the sublease subject to cancellation with 10 days' notice? If there's not a legal violation at issue, and Fiesta is truly looking to "break" the lease, is MAM's going to get a TRO? Maybe they could find a lawyer to help them pro bono?

Without knowing more, I'm not going to boycott Fiesta. I don't know their side of it. Someone might ask Fiesta their side of it, though, and if there's someone at Fiesta to whom emails of support for MAM's could be sent. fmi@fiestamart.com

I guess the only other idea I have is to schedule a day and time over the weekend where supporters of MAM's can all gather at MAM's to show their support. And let Fiesta know in advance when that will be. If it were me, though, I'd emphasize that the gathering is to show how much people like Mam's and snoballs, etc. - not to be negative. It's the showing of neighborhood support that I think would be key - numbers and positivity. MOST EXCELLENT IDEA!

Sorry this is such a long post - I was just trying to think of some things that might help. I like the idea of MAM's being there. And love the idea of adding a taco truck - Fiesta could do that themselves, I think, as they've got the steam table inside. Which I think allows them to operate under a different set of rules regarding MFU's b/c the food wouldn't be prepared in the truck.

Great post, thanks.

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Fiesta has suggested that they move to the back parking lot, but that lot is so chaotic that they are concerned for the safety of the children that come there.

Because that's been suggested, let me add that I don't think the back parking lot would be as good a location for MAM's. And arguably not a comparable location for purposes of whatever pricing they worked out - not as pleasant for the customers, doesn't have the same street-traffic visibility, etc. So, even if the back lot is an option, I can fully understand why MAM's would want to stay on the Studewood side, and might consider another location entirely before it would consider the back lot. I was just curious whether it was even an option - I could see it working, even if it's not quite as nice.

If there's a 10-day clause in the lease, all the more reason in my opinion to stay positive and constructive in talking to Fiesta. I think having MAM's there would be a benefit to Fiesta beyond just the money it gets from the sublease. It may introduce some people who have never shopped at that Fiesta to the store, it may bring customers in who are there for snoballs but may as well duck in and get a few items, and I think it could probably help cultivate the notion of Fiesta as a community gathering place, which is something I'm sure grocery stores like to do. In fact, given that Fiesta could lose its own lease in the not-too-distant future b/c Weingarten Realty has the property on the market, they may be especially interested in building up community goodwill.

If the complaints are tackiness and potential to draw a criminal element, I agree that those seem pretty baseless. I bet you could get a police officer to confirm that a back parking lot with a cute little snoball stand in it is much, much less likely to draw crime than an empty back parking lot. As for tackiness, I'd think anyone would rather have a view of happy people eating snoballs and enjoying themselves than of an empty parking lot - but you can't account for taste. I bet a real estate agent would think the house's proximity to the snoball stand was a positive thing, not a negative. If you could get some input from the police and/or a real estate agent, maybe the person complaining would be interested in their opinions.

Hope they're able to reach a resolution that makes everyone happy. Like I said, I'd love to see MAM's stay.

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It's worse than I thought, the email did not complain about noise. The man said he thought it was tacky and would attact a criminal element. Here is your criminal element:

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Don't know about those kids. Look to be up to no good. Bet they are planning to rob Mam's House of Ice, probably casing the joint out..... :o The one in the middle appears to be the ringleader

"Miss Blue, you run around the front and throw a tantrum Mr. White, you go round back and grab all the snow balls".

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Hi, it's Craig Malisow at the Houston Press. I'd like to do a little write-up about this and was wondering if anyone had contact info for MAM's owner(s) and/or the complainant.

Thanks,

Craig

713.280.2481

craig.malisow@houstonpress.com

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Hi, it's Craig Malisow at the Houston Press. I'd like to do a little write-up about this and was wondering if anyone had contact info for MAM's owner(s) and/or the complainant.

Thanks,

Craig

713.280.2481

craig.malisow@houstonpress.com

Hey Craig. I think EMME has both.

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I spoke with the gentleman who allegedly complained to Fiesta, and he swears up and down that he made no such complaint.

This thread has been FULL of misinformation since the First Post. First it's generator noise, then it's a potential crime issue. Then you post a picture of the dude's house! The he says he doesn't even know anything about it (who knows if that's the truth, but still...).

My advice is get the story straight before you disparage someone, tell where they live, and make jokes about sending Columbians to take care of the situation on a public forum.

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This thread has been FULL of misinformation since the First Post. First it's generator noise, then it's a potential crime issue. Then you post a picture of the dude's house! The he says he doesn't even know anyting about it (who knows if that's the truth, but still...).

My advice is get the story straight before you disparage someone, tell where they live, and make jokes about sending Columbians to take care of the situation on a public forum.

While I think his complaint is baseless, my complaint is with Fiesta's rolling over and playing dead over one complaint and asking someone that is actually cleaning up their dark, dirty and unsafe parking lot to leave. He has every right to complain whether I agree with him or not. I just don't think action should be taken based on one complaint that is obviously not shared by a majority of the surrounding community.

I have been asked for his name and address, and I have not given that to anybody except to the reporter. The only reason I showed the picture of his home was to indicate the distance between the snoball place and the man's house. I do not want this man harrassed and I have never said that I do. He is not really the problem.

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I have been asked for his name and address, and I have not given that to anybody except to the reporter.

I do not want this man harrassed and I have never said that I do.

Not harrassed? You gave his name to a reporter.

I certainly hope I never pi*s you off. (I'm mostly teasing)

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Since we have pretty much established that generator noise was not part of the complaint, then the complainer's distance to the Fiesta parking lot is no longer relevant. Therefore, I'm going to remove the photograph of his house from this thread.

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