jgriff Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Being next to the park and downtown is great but Allen Parkway Village brings the whole area down. I wouldn’t want my family walking in that area alone. Get rid of Allen Parkway village and it would be great. 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 20 hours ago, shasta said: "While the location of the project is a short drive to Houston’s cultural and sports destinations, the medical center and upscale housing, it lacks the walkability of areas such as Uptown or inside the West Loop near San Felipe, where multiple towers have been built or are under construction." Well, that's the first time I've ever heard Uptown described as "walkable". Its one of the LEAST walkable "major" districts in the United States. Walk from Boulevard Place to the Galleria and tell me how pleasant of a walk that is. +1 Density and walkability are not synonyms. This is the problem with algorithmic measures like Walk Score, which rate relative proximity of various amenities, but don't take into consideration how crappy the pedestrian experience can be. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Texasota Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, jgriff said: Being next to the park and downtown is great but Allen Parkway Village brings the whole area down. I wouldn’t want my family walking in that area alone. Get rid of Allen Parkway village and it would be great. Oh come on. There are worse things than living next to poor people. I (and lots of people I know) have walked through there countless times and never had anything remotely like an issue. To the extent that's even possible of course, since the whole thing is fenced and separated from the rest of the neighborhood. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Texasota said: Oh come on. There are worse things than living next to poor people. I (and lots of people I know) have walked through there countless times and never had anything remotely like an issue. To the extent that's even possible of course, since the whole thing is fenced and separated from the rest of the neighborhood. Yeah, this development is right across the road from Buffalo Bayou Park, and I've walked/run many times in that area and have never had an issue. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Texasota said: Oh come on. There are worse things than living next to poor people. I (and lots of people I know) have walked through there countless times and never had anything remotely like an issue. To the extent that's even possible of course, since the whole thing is fenced and separated from the rest of the neighborhood. Yeah its kinda rigid thinking. I mean its not like they don't have a point (and its not like there aren't bad dudes that frequent these areas, lets not be naive), but its different when its simply out of fear of the unknown rather than personal experience. I've been getting push back recently from some who don't want me exploring Northside for this very reason. It was interesting a conversation I had with two people about this sort of thing. One was a person close to me and another was a nurse that works in a rough neighborhood. The person close to me has never been to these areas, and has zero experience in these situations and simply doesn't want me there...just because. The nurse (lets say is a good friend of mine) was completely neutral, and instead gave me valuable insider information about how to be in control of the situation and what to look out for knowing full well I want to journey into these areas anyway. Again one was simply from fear and the other was from experience. One has zero value for me and the other is immensely valuable. One is superficial nonsense and the other is deep and nuanced. As long as you are taking precautions, and not acting like a total fool, or act like someone who legitimately "shouldn't be there" then you won't be messed with and in fact won't care that you are there at all. Edited May 28, 2019 by Luminare 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbro Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 4 hours ago, jgriff said: Being next to the park and downtown is great but Allen Parkway Village brings the whole area down. I wouldn’t want my family walking in that area alone. Get rid of Allen Parkway village and it would be great. With all the new development, it will only be a matter of time before this goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatguysly Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 It and a lot of the Freedoms Town area near the development aren't going anywhere from my understanding. A lot of that area is historically protected so it can't be. It's like the shotgun houses off West Gray. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) On 5/27/2019 at 10:00 AM, shasta said: I wonder what is the agenda for this article....it seems very off for coming from someone respected, like Nancy Sarnoff. “For a developer, it’s risky. It’s not Uptown. It’s not River Oaks,” Contreras said this week, No, Contreras..it's a place called Near Town..nuzzled in between downtown, River Oaks, and Montrose. For its residents its a short drive, or uber ride, or private car to all of the cultural districts in the city. His concerns are ridiculous...I'd rather live here than Uptown anyway. Plus, you will have the Regent Square development, the Hanover development, and the Ismaili Landmark just down the street. "While the location of the project is a short drive to Houston’s cultural and sports destinations, the medical center and upscale housing, it lacks the walkability of areas such as Uptown or inside the West Loop near San Felipe, where multiple towers have been built or are under construction." Well, that's the first time I've ever heard Uptown described as "walkable". Its one of the LEAST walkable "major" districts in the United States. Walk from Boulevard Place to the Galleria and tell me how pleasant of a walk that is. Seriously, Nancy is better that that. You know Houston is in trouble when we point to Uptown as a model for a pedestrian friendly, human scale district..lol The agenda...eyeballs. Views. Responses. They market in attention. Having a headline that reads "new towers going in growing neighborhood" is not going to get as many eyeballs as "new towers going in bad neighborhood". Remember these people don't care about facts. They simply care about attention. They also have declining readership, and at this point I'm no longer mystified at what goes for a headline or even a "story". Same goes with words such as "walkable". For them its a buzzword. Like "luxury" or "modern". They don't care about what the word actually means and how it should rightly be applied. They want to use that word in as many ways and instances as possible to get attention even if that means devaluing what that word actually means. Whats funny is how transparent and elitist it all sounds. The same poor which they pretend to defend and protect is the same poor that will throw under the bus if necessary. 'Oh look its a poor area...poor areas can't have anything nice! These areas are for poor people.' Nobody has the power in this city to dictate who lives where. I don't care what race, creed, or income the person is. If you can afford it, and you want to live/build something somewhere, and you are doing so by legal means, then do so. This idea that we must self-segregate ourselves into tribes dependent on our race, creed, and income is regressive. "Walkable" areas aren't only for wealthy areas just as they aren't only for poor areas. Nice things aren't only for wealthy areas or only for poor areas. This kind of mentality is complete cancer. Let people do what they want, and lets get out of their way. EDIT: Heading off a particular response to this at the pass, I understand that some will choose to live with people that are "similar" to them. That is understandable and completely fine as that is the free right to associate with whom one chooses. I'm simply saying that nobody has the moral authority from top-down to dictate where certain people live, when, and how. Edited May 28, 2019 by Luminare 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, htownbro said: With all the new development, it will only be a matter of time before this goes. Not likely. The political outrage would be impossible to overcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate4l1f3 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 hours ago, jgriff said: Being next to the park and downtown is great but Allen Parkway Village brings the whole area down. I wouldn’t want my family walking in that area alone. Get rid of Allen Parkway village and it would be great. Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, jgriff said: Not likely. The political outrage would be impossible to overcome. Almost certainly true. But APV is sufficiently low density (as compared to most of what is being built nearby), that a clever developer should be able to find a way to make money with the same number of BMR units in a mixed-use, mixed-income development on that piece of land. Edited May 28, 2019 by Angostura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Luminare said: and its not like there aren't bad dudes that frequent these areas, lets not be naive I wouldn't be so naive as to not think there'll be bad dudes buying the condos Edited May 28, 2019 by EllenOlenska 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Response Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 O.K. I'll play nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 8 hours ago, EllenOlenska said: I wouldn't be so naive as to not think there'll be bad dudes buying the condos I know right? I don't know about you, but I've NEVER seen or meet a BAD rich person. NEVER. The only bad dudes or criminals are poor people. Only the rich elite are good right? I've also been in conversations with people who assume that because someone has a college education that they all the sudden become good people. Lest they forget that some of worst crimes imaginable have been committed by those who had a college education or were part of the intelligentsia at the time. Its amazing what people convince themselves to think just so they can feel safe and secure. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatguysly Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Amazing how many topics in 4th Ward and Midtown turn into how much people don't like the poors. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) - Edited July 12, 2019 by Timoric 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindTiger Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 23 hours ago, thatguysly said: Amazing how many topics in 4th Ward and Midtown turn into how much people don't like the poors. To be fair, they are mostly turning into "people think other people don't like poors and are getting mad about it." I think one person said something to the affect of "APV should go or is likely to go." Then like 5 people are saying no one likes the poors and rich people are bad and arguing against arguments that were never made in the first place. All very odd. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 6:20 AM, jgriff said: Being next to the park and downtown is great but Allen Parkway Village brings the whole area down. I wouldn’t want my family walking in that area alone. Get rid of Allen Parkway village and it would be great. Just a reminder of what people (myself included) were reacting to. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I stand by my comment. It is not desirable to live next to government assisted housing. Live in a fantasy all you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I have done and likely will again. Disagreeing with you is not "living in a fantasy." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I don't understand the source of friction. Some people like living in the suburbs, some don't. Some people don't like living near low income people some don't care. Some people like living in the countryside or small towns some prefer an urban lifestyle. Some people love Paris some hate the place. So what? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, jgriff said: I stand by my comment. It is not desirable to live next to government assisted housing. Live in a fantasy all you want. Few people on an internet forum will agree with you, but most will make real-life choices that mirror yours. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Response Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Better to be undesirable than deplorable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Omg can we get back on topic? Who gives a rats @ss. There are dangerous areas everywhere. Crime isn’t zero in The Woodlands, Sugar Land or River Oaks. At the rate Houston is gentrifying, it won’t be long before the high rents drive us all out of town. damn. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Response Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Too bad you didn't get here sooner to set everybody straight, right? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerHerman13 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Okay. This is ridiculous. They will be fine. I live in the apartments right next door and never had an issue. Rents only keep increasing so it’s obvious it’s desirable and not an issue, granted it’s not multi million dollar real estate but it’s not low income or anything close to. Building this will only continue to change the area and raise property values continuing to push out any outliers that cause problems. The problems in the area don’t come from the government housing but come from the 4th ward area across the street on west Dallas. Read the reviews for 2929 - drug dealers coming in all shapes, sizes, and income brackets now lets get this thread back on topic. HA! 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 11 hours ago, wxman said: At the rate Houston is gentrifying, it won’t be long before the high rents drive us all out of town. "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." - Yogi Berra 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Between this project, Regent Square, and the Hanover Mixed-Use Project, the Bayou is going to see its share of exciting new developments. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shasta Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) On 5/31/2019 at 9:30 AM, CaptainJilliams said: Between this project, Regent Square, and the Hanover Mixed-Use Project, the Bayou is going to see its share of exciting new developments. Don't forget the Ismaili Cultural Center which is supposed to be an Architectural landmark...they only select one city, per country, for their center. Edited June 10, 2019 by shasta 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, shasta said: Don't forge the Ismaili Cultural Center which is supposed to be an Architectural landmark...they only select one city, per country, for their center. Need that site plan though....Really want to know what relationship will be to the bayou. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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