Sellanious Caesar Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've been reading HAIF for well over 3 years now, long time reader, first time poster. I don't like to post very often and when I do, it's only on something I find exceptionally interesting. The redevelopment of East End/East Downtown (I wont ever call it that horrid name EaDo) is possibly one of my main interests in Houston, alongside with Regent Square, Jennings Island Towers, & Snow Mountain Texas Indoor Ski Resort/Earth Quest Adventures.Now I haven't ever seen the renderings to Dan Nip's developments before, but I am hoping for something original. He's been trying to redevelop "Old Chinatown" for so long now and I like where his ideas are headed, to make it seem more authentic and not so bland and un cultural. April 18th, 2009: The meeting to discuss their visions of where East End/East Downtown should be headed: http://www.houstonlwsforum.org/designCompetition/Urban%20Redevelopment/TIRZ15Perspective.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) One more question to consider: How does this "suddenly alive" proposed Convention Center Hotel impact the city's plans for yet another convention center hotel directly across Disco Green from Hilton America's?!? Lets not forget that the city put Hilton America's up for sale in order to subsidize construction of the new hotel. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5700711.html And as if that isnt enough, it looks like The East End hotel people are planning for construction of the 2nd Downtown GRB hotel ....see render below. (from their updated PDF) What's that building across Disco Green from Hilton America's? EDIT: This isnt the first time the 2nd Convention Center Hotel has been seen. (Remember this thread?!?) But interestingly enough, both renders (above & below) illustrate virtually the same exact building, right down to the placement of the pool in the hotel.... Edited February 12, 2011 by tigereye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Houston has had enough of Lee P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 And as if that isnt enough, it looks like The East End hotel people are planning for construction of the 2nd Downtown GRB hotel ....see render below. (from their updated PDF) What's that building across Disco Green from Hilton America's? Looks like you answered your own question, or am I not understanding it correctly? ----------------------------> EDIT: This isnt the first time the 2nd Convention Center Hotel has been seen. (Remember this thread?!?) But interestingly enough, both renders (above & below) illustrate virtually the same exact building, right down to the placement of the pool in the hotel.... I would guess the COH would still want to build their convention center. People are always saying downtown doesn't have enough hotel space for bigger conventions. My thought is that the COH would think their new hotel would be a building block to getting those bigger ones. I wish we knew what those other builders were. I'm pretty sure those next to Hess tower are proposed condo towers. I don't think that's conjecture either, I thought I read that somewhere. In my opinion, I think the way I've labeled the blocks is the order they'll be built on. My guess is blocks 2 and 3 are hotels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellanious Caesar Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Lockmat, in your first post did you find those renderings or did you make them yourself with autocad? If you made them yourself why in that design instead of one or maybe two 25-32 story towers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 No those renderings are from the develops website, I think. I usually put a link with images. They r not there. I AM on a phone right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Note merged topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 EaDo just opened a Lil Woodrows by Warehouse Live, and a few other Houston staples are on tap to come to the neighborhood. But this hotel would guarantee some more decent restaurants and a few support establishments for the hotel. I'm lovin' it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ah yes... there is also lucky's pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 EaDo ..It really frightens me to see how that name is catching on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Fortunately, I don't see this happening. In the short term it is an exciting project, but does Houston really need a hotel on the east side of 59? The answer is no. It wouldn't be successful and if the city is going to support a new hotel it needs to fill in the empty lots between Minute Maid and Disco Green. This all sounds like fluff anyways, so I'm not too worried. Somewhat related...what ever happened with Magic Johnson's group and the Icon Hotel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Seems like the GRB master plan renderings accurately reflect the 59 convention hotel: The company developing it updating their pdf of the project: Now TWO city blocks instead of three New rendering with connecting bridge to GRB Biggest "news" is they want to break ground in Q1 of this year! edit, also found this info: This project is a 750 room class-A convention center hotel with connecting bridge to the South entrance of the George R. Brown Convention Center http://www.americare.../Houston-RC.php project pdf: http://goo.gl/oy61R Edited January 27, 2012 by lockmat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 If they are thinking about breaking ground this year, the bridge won't be built for a long time since it will be connecting to the concention center expansion.If/when it gets built, do yall think they should try to make it somehwat iconic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPHous Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 No reason to make it iconic...in the end it is a pedestrian bridge, most likely only accessible from that hotel. That being said, something like the allen parkway bridges, moo, 59 bridges, ok...Appealing sure, and I could see it happening, Iconic...no way and def overkill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 I agree. Iconic was probably not the right word. But something that peole want to drive and and look at and say, "that's cool." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm dubious this is a real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPHous Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Maybe they could do something like the Dynamo Stadium with the mesh. I think it looks cool on the stadium and would be kinda continuous even though they arent necessarely together. The mesh skin was cheap and it looks fairly unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'd love to see this happen but I just don't see how they are going to get the cash to build it. Also, why in the world would they not place the building in a more east/west fashion rather than north/south? If you're gonna be on the other side of 59 you mights as well take advantage of the views of downtown to the west and even the eastern views at night would be nice (ship channel lights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Also, why in the world would they not place the building in a more east/west fashion rather than north/south? If you're gonna be on the other side of 59 you mights as well take advantage of the views of downtown to the west and even the eastern views at night would be nice (ship channel lights).Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 There will still be rooms on the eats and west side with windows, right?I'm guessing they are probably considering the entrance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Still in the works... Edit: For more schematics, here's a thread in the East End forum that shows other projects in the works. Edited February 2, 2013 by Triton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) How old is the map itself? Edited February 2, 2013 by fatesdisastr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Was worked on Thursday at noon. So, about three days old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Any Idea if they have chosen an Architect yet? I heard Morris was working on the conceptual design but that they may change as they move into DD. Edited February 7, 2013 by Lighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonBoy Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 What hotel have they chosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 There probably isn't any progress on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 There probably isn't any progress on this. I hope they do maybe it will spark the eastern expanison of buildings in that area.. I personally think with the rail running thou it it would,nt be long before High rasies start to pop up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I hope they do maybe it will spark the eastern expanison of buildings in that area.. I personally think with the rail running thou it it would,nt be long before High rasies start to pop upThat's would be great. However, I wouldn't hold my breath on the high rises look at midtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Investor-visas-offer-wealthy-foreigners-5940467.php In Houston, developer Dan Nip was one of the state's first entrepreneurs to establish an EB-5 regional center reviving a blighted part of Old Chinatown in 2007. He put together plans to build a 1,000-room hotel across U.S. 59 from the George R. Brown Convention Center and received city approval for tax incentives to encourage the development. But eight years later, construction hasn't started, and Nip said the project is still "in the development end," blaming "market conditions" for the delay. The investor money was returned after disagreement on "some major terms," he said, declining to offer details. Nip said he has another EB-5 development planned, a hospital in Pearland, and that demand from foreign investors is outpacing supply."I have people walking into our office daily without appointments," he said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 No clue whether that hotel will ever happen and I really can't speak to EB-5 but there has been a crazy influx of foreign money targeting houston lately, China in particular. Hard to say if that continues with oil at $65 but it's definitely something to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 No clue whether that hotel will ever happen and I really can't speak to EB-5 but there has been a crazy influx of foreign money targeting houston lately, China in particular. Hard to say if that continues with oil at $65 but it's definitely something to watch.This. I don't think people realize just how bad this stand off between OPEC and American shale really is. OPEC didn't cut production for a reason... They want American production knocked out. At $65, this may not be sustainable for us and this will certainly effect Houston as long as the price is that low. I think foreign investors may have waited too long to take advantage of the Houston real estate market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 How long do franked wells produce? I thought it was for just a few years and then producers had to move on. As existing supplies dry up, one would expect additional growth as oil prices rise again due to shorter supply and (hopefully) continued robust demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 If anyone had asked me, there should not have been another highrise built in New York or Miami after 2008, but New York's got several 1,000-foot residential towers rising, and Miami's seen so many new projects it's enough to make your head spin. I don't see any fundamentals supporting them except for EB-5 money, but there they are. There's no reason Houston shouldn't be getting a share of that action, other than the number of bankrollers in this town is incredibly small for all its wealth. A downturn in oil prices is not going to determine whether any more EB-5s get proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Uhhh yeah it definitely will. The world runs on oil; whether it goes up or down will always have an effect on this cities economy, big or small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Investor-visas-offer-wealthy-foreigners-5940467.php In Houston, developer Dan Nip was one of the state's first entrepreneurs to establish an EB-5 regional center reviving a blighted part of Old Chinatown in 2007. He put together plans to build a 1,000-room hotel across U.S. 59 from the George R. Brown Convention Center and received city approval for tax incentives to encourage the development. But eight years later, construction hasn't started, and Nip said the project is still "in the development end," blaming "market conditions" for the delay. The investor money was returned after disagreement on "some major terms," he said, declining to offer details. Nip said he has another EB-5 development planned, a hospital in Pearland, and that demand from foreign investors is outpacing supply. "I have people walking into our office daily without appointments," he said. I thought Nip's Convention Center Hotel plans died when Houston First chose the Rida Development bid for what became the Marriott Marquis. IIRC, After his bid failed, this project became EaDo Place Apts. Same site, same people behind both projects ...Global Century. http://www.globalcenturydev.com/files/investors_final2.pdf The lot has been fenced off in green fencing for a while... no activity on site. Edited December 7, 2014 by tigereye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Uhhh yeah it definitely will. The world runs on oil; whether it goes up or down will always have an effect on this cities economy, big or small. Then I'm surprised this project didn't start out of the ground in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Not everything happens at once, obviously. That's simple logic bruh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 houstontexasjack, Fracked wells typically produce for 6 months to 2 years before the production slows to a trickle. So right now it's mostly the oilfield service companies that are hurt, but within a couple years the production companies will start losing even more revenue, too, if they don't resume drilling. But from what I've read, OPEC is more interested in hurting Russia than the US. Plus, seeing that several OPEC members (particularly Iran and Venezuela) are in serious pain as a result of lower oil prices, with a little luck this drop won't last that long. Somehow we survived $40 oil in the Great Recession, though, and supposedly the wells in North Dakota are now mostly still profitable at $45 (and some still profitable at $30), so hopefully there will be no overreactions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why the hell are we talking about oil, possible recessions, and OPEC nations, in a thread about an East End Midrise? (not just here by the way, but it's happening everywhere!) Just because oil prices drop below $70 doesn't mean this has to be discussed in EVERY thread ad nauseam! Especially those of you doom and gloom guys who at every chance a potential shortfall/crisis happens you see it as a pass to spell doom for a project and it's disgusting. Get over yourselves already.....Leave the over-analysis and sensationalism to the much maligned 24hr News Cycle. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why the hell are we talking about oil, possible recessions, and OPEC nations, in a thread about an East End Midrise? (not just here by the way, but it's happening everywhere!) Just because oil prices drop below $70 doesn't mean this has to be discussed in EVERY thread ad nauseam! Especially those of you doom and gloom guys who at every chance a potential shortfall/crisis happens you see it as a pass to spell doom for a project and it's disgusting. Get over yourselves already.....Leave the over-analysis and sensationalism to the much maligned 24hr News Cycle. Because we're all experts and want to express our expert opinions. In regards to the former post with retail under 5-6 floors residential... that's not a hotel? Right? So are we expecting residential rather than hospitality in this area? I'd assume any future big hotels would locate in the Downtown district rather than out of it...even if just a block or two away...unless the developer gets some hefty incentives from the city? I think the East End will see (in years to come) some nice smaller scale hotels on par with Hamptons and the like. Probably just a couple, and probably 5+ years away (though the Super Bowl push is pretty impressive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJxvi Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) These blocks (and all the blocks east of 59 and west of St Emanuel) would seem to be under threat of eminent domain for freeway ROW in the new I45 upgrade plans. Edited April 23, 2015 by JJxvi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Possibly. Then again, the plan is to deck over the trench, so they could build on the air rights. As it is, that freeway proposal is the most ridiculous idea I've ever seen - 28 lanes of guaranteed congestion, right in the heart of Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Wouldn't be the first time I've seen this happen. They built really nice townhomes on North Main near downtown and literally just a few months later they tore them down for light rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNathoo Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Will the threat of freeway expansion stop developers from coming on board? I believe Dan nipp has a multi family project planned within the impacted area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Would be cool if we got this (from the meeting). Yes, from Dallas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Wouldn't be the first time I've seen this happen. They built really nice townhomes on North Main near downtown and literally just a few months later they tore them down for light rail. where were those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNAguy Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Possibly. Then again, the plan is to deck over the trench, so they could build on the air rights. As it is, that freeway proposal is the most ridiculous idea I've ever seen - 28 lanes of guaranteed congestion, right in the heart of Houston. You mean as opposed to the guaranteed congestion that we have now? Let's keep that talk in the transpo section, where it can be rightfully challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 where were those?They were at the southeast corner of Brooks and N Main. The light rail bridge just north of UH-D currently occupies the land now. You can probably see them on Google Earth timelapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 They were at the southeast corner of Brooks and N Main. The light rail bridge just north of UH-D currently occupies the land now. You can probably see them on Google Earth timelapse. Cool. Thanks. It's fair to note, however, that your story about tearing them down "literally just a few months" after they were built appear to be false. According to the pictures on Google Earth timelapse, the first two townhouses were built at least as early as 2003. The other two were built by 2006. They were all four still there at least as late as February 2010. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Cool. Thanks.It's fair to note, however, that your story about tearing them down "literally just a few months" after they were built appear to be false. According to the pictures on Google Earth timelapse, the first two townhouses were built at least as early as 2003. The other two were built by 2006. They were all four still there at least as late as February 2010.Oh wow. Didn't feel like that long. Even my relatives that live there thought it was only a few months. I'm on vacation right now so I can't check out Google Maps for myself but it felt like they weren't there that long. I don't even remember people living in them, maybe that's why I felt so short lived. Oh well. Facts are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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