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FYI, there is a phsychiatric rehabilitation building on McGregor & 288. The sign is quite blatant nothing to hide. Wonder if that scares area neighbors. :ph34r:

Oh heck yeah! I live quite close to that facility, and there have been escapes. :unsure:

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i live nearby and hate that area. question: if it's really this mentally disadvantaged folks, how come they down't spill out of the hispanic bus line? Why is it only that greyhound area?

I just don't care for the excuses. the majority of the panhandlers and lowlifes are just that...deadbeat individuals making a choice to live that lifestyle.

and I don't drive a porsche. I drive a 10year old ford truck. I still get harrassed at the occassional stop light and EVERY time I've gone inside to rent DVDs out of the redbox.

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i live nearby and hate that area. question: if it's really this mentally disadvantaged folks, how come they down't spill out of the hispanic bus line? Why is it only that greyhound area?

I just don't care for the excuses. the majority of the panhandlers and lowlifes are just that...deadbeat individuals making a choice to live that lifestyle.

and I don't drive a porsche. I drive a 10year old ford truck. I still get harrassed at the occassional stop light and EVERY time I've gone inside to rent DVDs out of the redbox.

Thank you for speaking the truth about the Greyhound bus vicinity.

Some newcomers to the Midtown area may not know that just on the other side of those bridges (east) are some of the most crime ridden areas of Houston. Some from that area find it very easy to simply cross the bridge to the Midtown area searching for opportunity. Only a few years ago where Rich's Nightclub is a patron was shot/robbed as he left the club. We can use the same excuse that it happend anywhere but being realistic, you can ante up your chances of getting harassed by being in that area. As mentioned earlier residents need to be more proactive and "shout" about thier plight to the right people. This is the only way to get things done.

I personally avoid the area because of:

1. The crime

2. Because of that pathetic rail, waiting for it to pass while homeless people walk up to you is quite nervewracking (especially when you have children with you).

Wish I could leave it on a more positive note but cant think of one? :)

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Thank you for speaking the truth about the Greyhound bus vicinity.

I personally avoid the area because of:

1. The crime

2. Because of that pathetic rail, waiting for it to pass while homeless people walk up to you is quite nervewracking (especially when you have children with you).

Wish I could leave it on a more positive note but cant think of one? :)

Where in midtown/downtown do you live in that you're in teh area fairly regularly?

I drive by it almost every day and NEVER have been hassled.

I have to agree with a few of the points you have made about people crossing the bridge looking for opportunities, but you also always have to be vigilant anyway, no matter where you are.

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I live downtown and drive to see friends or shop in midtown (gotta love Spec's) or the Rice area, and usually take main street all the way down. I do see a bit of "shady people" from downtown through midtown EVERY time I drive through there. Few times I have been at a light and been approached (usually at dusk or at night) by some of them (money, cigs, sex - um yea, really gross, etc.), I just look ahead and don't acknowledge them, even though that might make them upset, Id rather be safe than sorry.

Just be careful all I have to say! This is a BIG city, s$$t happens.

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Great. And keep stunting the development of Midtown within 5 blocks of the bus station.

I am perhaps a bit bitter as Sat morning I took my old Porsche out for a spin. I got caught at the light, and some guy fresh off the bus dropped his bag, walked close to my car, and pulled out his johnson in an apparent attempt to urinate on my wheel. (I ran the light). Here's the kicker - that's the second time that exact scenario has happened to me by the bus station.

Midtown will never become a desirable place to live as long as the bus station stays in its current location. That's just reality.

HAHAHAHAH. Sorry, but that was just funny there. If it makes you feel better...I had been bragging to a friend of mine for a year about this taco stand on Harrisburg, and how awesome the tacos were. One day, he decides "lets go to that taco stand of yours". So we went. We ordered, and as we are waiting for the tacos, this street-person-dude walks up to the stand, orders, pays, then looks around as if we werent there, whips out his Johnson, and the next 2 minutes we are listening to the steady stream of piss, right there next to us. My friend, I presume, never went back. I continue to go there once a week. I live in the bay area. Thats how good them there tacos are.

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i heard this morning that they are planning on having a "transitional center" next or close to that bus station in midtown for inmates who have served their time and are released back to the community.

apparently the center will serve to house them/help them. i guess that area is going to get worse.

there's an arch. firm that was going to move down there, but i doubt now that it'll happen....

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i heard this morning that they are planning on having a "transitional center" next or close to that bus station in midtown for inmates who have served their time and are released back to the community.

apparently the center will serve to house them/help them. i guess that area is going to get worse.

there's an arch. firm that was going to move down there, but i doubt now that it'll happen....

Actually, TA, this "transitional center" could improve the area. Currently, the parolees get off the bus with no one to direct them where to go. Many never make it out of the area, waiting to get back into trouble. A transitional center would intercept the parolees, give them info on where to live and work, give directions to the parole office, so they can be supervised, and otherwise give the parolees a nudge in the right direction. This would help clear the bus station of parolees, as opposed to having them congregate there, as currently occurs.

Somehow, I do not believe that the architecture firm did not know the bus station was there. If they are not moving there, it probably has nothing to do with Greyhound.

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Actually, TA, this "transitional center" could improve the area. Currently, the parolees get off the bus with no one to direct them where to go. Many never make it out of the area, waiting to get back into trouble. A transitional center would intercept the parolees, give them info on where to live and work, give directions to the parole office, so they can be supervised, and otherwise give the parolees a nudge in the right direction. This would help clear the bus station of parolees, as opposed to having them congregate there, as currently occurs.

i think it will help but from midtown mgmt district's standpoint, i'll bet they are pissed cause it only increases the likelyhood that the station will remain. that is one thing they want gone!

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Actually, TA, this "transitional center" could improve the area. Currently, the parolees get off the bus with no one to direct them where to go. Many never make it out of the area, waiting to get back into trouble. A transitional center would intercept the parolees, give them info on where to live and work, give directions to the parole office, so they can be supervised, and otherwise give the parolees a nudge in the right direction. This would help clear the bus station of parolees, as opposed to having them congregate there, as currently occurs.

Somehow, I do not believe that the architecture firm did not know the bus station was there. If they are not moving there, it probably has nothing to do with Greyhound.

red you have a point. i guess some ppl would look at it as "oh no now the inmates are going to hang around here more" which i guess is what they do anyways, lol.

so like u said at least it'll take them off the street and into a bldg. or at least the ones that actually want to turn their lives around.

regarding the arch firm, they know about the bus station but didn't know about the transitional center. i think they even mentioned the property they were looking at had barbed wire around it or something of that nature. i personally am not familiar with that area so i'm not sure if they were being sarcastic but their descriptions were pretty funny...

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Actually, TA, this "transitional center" could improve the area. Currently, the parolees get off the bus with no one to direct them where to go. Many never make it out of the area, waiting to get back into trouble. A transitional center would intercept the parolees, give them info on where to live and work, give directions to the parole office, so they can be supervised, and otherwise give the parolees a nudge in the right direction. This would help clear the bus station of parolees, as opposed to having them congregate there, as currently occurs.

Somehow, I do not believe that the architecture firm did not know the bus station was there. If they are not moving there, it probably has nothing to do with Greyhound.

There is a halfway house on crawford at drew in midtown. You wouldnt know it by walking by. There are no signs, just a lot of guys walking out to the bus stop across the street. I say hi to them when Im walking the dog. They dont beg for money.

There is also the salvation army rehab place for families on Mcgowen. Lots of the kids love to play with the dog when I walk by. Again, nice people.

I think another transistional center would be fine.

Once you get past the sterotypes, it isnt that big of a deal.

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red you have a point. i guess some ppl would look at it as "oh no now the inmates are going to hang around here more" which i guess is what they do anyways, lol.

so like u said at least it'll take them off the street and into a bldg. or at least the ones that actually want to turn their lives around.

regarding the arch firm, they know about the bus station but didn't know about the transitional center. i think they even mentioned the property they were looking at had barbed wire around it or something of that nature. i personally am not familiar with that area so i'm not sure if they were being sarcastic but their descriptions were pretty funny...

I believe there was a topic about the architecture firm moving to midtown a while back. It seems like it came up during that brief period when it was expected that Midtown would suddenly somehow become a cool pedestrian district for young urban hipsters etc. etc. etc.

I suppose putting a transitional center in Midtown makes as much sense as anywhere, given that there is already a concentration of social service agencies there, but I still think the long-term prospects for Midtown are pretty dire.

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I thought this was going to be moved to the Intermodal Terminal...

that was the HOPE of the midtown mgmt district and if a transitional center opens, it would make a move less likely IMO

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As a midtown resident, I am sick and tired of all the bums and indigents roaming around asking for money. Between that Greyhound station and the 4th ward people providing a plentiful supply of "roamers", the area is mess. Within seconds of even setting foot on the Chevron property at Smith/Hadley/Louisiana, I get asked for money....every single time I go there, day or night. It's absurd. I've started taking a more confrontational approach with them that seems to shut them up at least when I leave the store. Just yesterday morning I left my apartment at 6:30am, and upon exiting the gate, I nearly tripped over a bum who was sleeping there. I told him, "good morning!", and he lifted his legs up so I could pass by. $1400 a month for a one-bedroom apt and I'm tripping over bums leaving the place. Adding a "transitional center" for former inmates is a complete and utter failure for whoever is planning midtown's growth - if anybody is even bothering. Get rid of the Greyhound station, quit adding additional former inmates to the area and we might start making some progress.

I have previously lived in uptown Dallas, and believe me, this crap would not be tolerated there. Midtown Houston is a COMPLETE failure compared to uptown Dallas, and this is coming from somebody who has lived in Midtown for 5 years and who badly wants to see it succeed. I'm getting the hell out of Midtown as soon as my lease runs up (which I stupidly renewed for another 9 months...).

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Adding a "transitional center" for former inmates is a complete and utter failure for whoever is planning midtown's growth - if anybody is even bothering. Get rid of the Greyhound station, quit adding additional former inmates to the area and we might start making some progress.

Call/email at-large district 1 councilperson Peter Brown. He seems to be spearheading the effort. BTW, he's done nothing that he's promised so far as councilperson. he's also said he's going to fix the planning process at the city. :wacko:

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The Greyhound station isn't going anywhere...you people should quit getting your hopes up. The Midtown Redevelopment Authority doesn't know what the hades they are doing anyway, so its futile to deal with them regardless.

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Call Charles LeBlanc with the Midtown Redevelopment Authority.

713.526.7577 PH

And tell him how you used to live in Uptown Dallas. He LOVES hearing about it.

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The Greyhound station isn't going anywhere...you people should quit getting your hopes up. The Midtown Redevelopment Authority doesn't know what the hades they are doing anyway, so its futile to deal with them regardless.

That's what I think as well. The best we can hope for is that they renovate the thing into something at least nicer looking. Otherwise, forget it.

Plus, I completely agree that Midtown has NO idea what they're doing. Not to mention it's the most overpriced neighborhood in the city IMO.

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so i should take the "removal of greyhound station" off my Christmas wish list forever?

dammit...are there no viable solutions that can be presented to the powers that be. if there was a singular problem styming midtown development, IMO this is it

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so i should take the "removal of greyhound station" off my Christmas wish list forever?

dammit...are there no viable solutions that can be presented to the powers that be. if there was a singular problem styming midtown development, IMO this is it

I don't know... I mean, cities need bus stations like that... they just need to keep up w/ security and make sure it's a safe place to be around.

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so i should take the "removal of greyhound station" off my Christmas wish list forever?

dammit...are there no viable solutions that can be presented to the powers that be.

the powers that be passed ordinances that would help but they don't enforce them.

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dammit...are there no viable solutions that can be presented to the powers that be. if there was a singular problem styming midtown development, IMO this is it

Just think, it used to be over on I think Texas Avenue? On opposite side of DT where it presently stands. Would have been even more hellish with the new ballpark and other new establshments nearby. They shifted it to that spot because most business had fled for the burbs by the late 1970's so they figured well here a good a spot as any. They never thought it would make a comeback, so here we are today. I rode that bus once in 1976 and at that time it was mostly teens, parents with kids & a few single people. I have no idea why it now attracts so many bums? It was stated that many are recently parolled ex-cons that are given a bus pass as soon as they are released. Need we argue about that? :blink:

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The Greyhound station isn't going anywhere...you people should quit getting your hopes up. The Midtown Redevelopment Authority doesn't know what the hades they are doing anyway, so its futile to deal with them regardless.

I've heard rumblings that the Greyhound Station may be moving to North Main near Metro's planned intermodal terminal at some point in the foreseeable future.

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I've heard rumblings that the Greyhound Station may be moving to North Main near Metro's planned intermodal terminal at some point in the foreseeable future.

that's what the midtown assoc wants. greyhound probably doesn't since it'll cost them money

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that's what the midtown assoc wants. greyhound probably doesn't since it'll cost them money

Who actually owns the Greyhound Property? If it is Greyhound I'm surprised they don't sell as that land is worth a fortune. To me it would make more sense for the station to be at the end of the Metro Rail out near 610. If someone really needs to get into downtown they could jump the rail out there and head in. But, I'm guessing most are being picked up by friends etc (I live in the area and know that is not true for all) and 610 is a hell of lot better traffic congestion wise then the downtown freeway situation.

Just my two cents... Probably all it's worth too ;)

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Who actually owns the Greyhound Property?

GREYHOUND LINES INC

% TAX DEPARTMENT

PO BOX 660362

DALLAS TX 75266-0362

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I've heard rumblings that the Greyhound Station may be moving to North Main near Metro's planned intermodal terminal at some point in the foreseeable future.

This is what needs to happen, and if it's secured properly it should be a whole lot better than what we have on Main in Midtown right now.

It would be great for everything - and everyone - around there.

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can someone please call greyhound and suggest them to sell the land?

where would you suggest they move?

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can someone please call greyhound and suggest them to sell the land?

Can the Mayor be of any assistance? Has he offered? I think there was a seperate thread where the Mayor was alerted to the dire situation at hand but to no avail. More red tape...

It just need to be pushed as far away from downtown as possible. Do we have any takers out there that want it in their nabe? Ja ja! :lol:

North. It's a shorter trip from Huntsville anyway.

Oh you mean from the prison. Makes sense! :D

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It just need to be pushed as far away from downtown as possible. Do we have any takers out there that want it in their nabe? Ja ja! :lol:

didn't they just clear out some lots by your house?

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How about in the woodlands? That way when ppl are moving in on the bus they can see all the nice trees they have up there. They will be able to breathe the fresh air they have up there in the woodlands. Plus all the green is relaxing too.

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....To me it would make more sense for the station to be at the end of the Metro Rail out near 610. If someone really needs to get into downtown they could jump the rail out there and head in. But, I'm guessing most are being picked up by friends etc (I live in the area and know that is not true for all) and 610 is a hell of lot better traffic congestion wise then the downtown freeway situation...

That would be nice! :) It also seems that many of the people that get off the Greyhound walk over to the Metro bus station (after getting a Big Mac, :D ), where they can catch a bus to anywhere in town. I know that's a really dangerous intersection, as they leave the bus station they just walk against the lights right out onto Gray. I've came very close to hitting someone many times.

Not to mention all the people getting into cabs or getting picked up along Gray in front of the station, who mindlessly walk out into the street while loading into the cars. You really have to be careful. Relocating the Greyhound station to someplace with better loading/unloading areas, instead of being closely surrounded by busy streets, would seem like a smart move. Of course, I guess they figure it needs to stay close to the Metro bus hub. :wacko:

I've been approached a few times by guys saying they just got out of jail/prison, and if I could give them some money, anywhere within several blocks of the station. They weren't the usual bums that constantly bug you downtown...they were ex-cons, and not ashamed to tell me that. Kinda scary. I try to avoid the area when walking, but the ex-cons have approached me even in front of my bank (Amegy) and asked me for money.

When I talk about Downtown Houston with any of my suburban friends, one of the first things they ask about is,"that scary bus station". :lol: I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a popular area for development as long as it remains there. I shouldn't complain, since it was there before I moved down the street from it Downtown, but for the future of Midtown...it would be nice to see it moved and the area cleaned up.

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I think the old bus station was better as far as safety goes, while this loading is more efficient than old station, the old station ALL the buses went into a massive building where everyone was sheltered from the elements. I don't recall how people got into and out of the place, but I remember boarding the buses was an interesting case of organized chaos.

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The panhandlers know that there is security inside the bus station so they go to the side to intercept riders.

When I arrived at the bus station and went to the side to take a ride one time, some guy went up to me and asked, as an opening question, "Are you prejudiced against black people?"

I said no so he made some request I didn't understand; I just said "No thanks - I have a ride." Then he asked me for two dollars - "I have no money" (I would have given the beggar NOTHING even if I had money) - I went into my mom's car and she drove off. I didn't notice at the time, but she told me she was honking the horn to get that guy off of me.

In a way I felt amused by how a beggar would use that question to try to guilt me into giving him money...

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I've heard rumblings that the Greyhound Station may be moving to North Main near Metro's planned intermodal terminal at some point in the foreseeable future.

Says Metro: They're making room for the Greyhound station at the Intermodal Terminal, just north of UH-Downtown. In the same breath they say they haven't yet spoken to Greyhound. But, if you were building a bright shiny new terminal, would you want Greyhound there?

Still may be going on, but at least for awhile, the cab drivers were dealing to their riders.

And, I'm not sure the prison system still has people waiting for former inmates to get off the bus, and to ensure they go on their way to their official destination. One of the first things the former inmates do: buy beer.

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One of the first things the former inmates do: buy beer.

Well that's understandable isn't it? Thats sure one of the first things I would do.

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Says Metro: They're making room for the Greyhound station at the Intermodal Terminal, just north of UH-Downtown. In the same breath they say they haven't yet spoken to Greyhound. But, if you were building a bright shiny new terminal, would you want Greyhound there?

Still may be going on, but at least for awhile, the cab drivers were dealing to their riders.

And, I'm not sure the prison system still has people waiting for former inmates to get off the bus, and to ensure they go on their way to their official destination. One of the first things the former inmates do: buy beer.

IMO it's not so much that it's Greyhound, but it's how the Greyhound station is handled. If they had security around the whole block I don't think it will be a problem.

With the current Midtown Greyhound they have security in the building and at the front, so the panhandlers go to the sides. There needs to be security surrounding the station, with security guards (armed, of course) willing to shoo away beggars, winos, and panhandlers.

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IMO it's not so much that it's Greyhound, but it's how the Greyhound station is handled. If they had security around the whole block I don't think it will be a problem.

With the current Midtown Greyhound they have security in the building and at the front, so the panhandlers go to the sides. There needs to be security surrounding the station, with security guards (armed, of course) willing to shoo away beggars, winos, and panhandlers.

I totally agree, I think once Greyhound is cleaned up, quite a bit of the foolishness (along with SEARCH and a few other places) in downtown would break up this happy little Hobo Home.

Last night, I made the idiotic decision of making a deposit over at the Midtown Wells Fargo ATM when I noticed an interesting little bugger hanging out on the corner of the building. After I had left, I notified the cops. Never heard back, but whatever.

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https://midtownhouston.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/MMD-Minutes-4.4.18-signed.pdf

 

Finally, Mr. Marshall announced that the MRA board recently approved a contract with The Goodman Corporation to identify new sites for a regional transportation center and possible relocation of the Greyhound station. The Goodman Corporation will also provide cost estimates and whether to explore federal funds are available to assist with the cost of developing a regional transportation center.[/quot]

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On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2008 at 3:13 PM, VicMan said:

IMO it's not so much that it's Greyhound, but it's how the Greyhound station is handled. If they had security around the whole block I don't think it will be a problem.

With the current Midtown Greyhound they have security in the building and at the front, so the panhandlers go to the sides. There needs to be security surrounding the station, with security guards (armed, of course) willing to shoo away beggars, winos, and panhandlers.

 

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2008 at 3:20 PM, ricco67 said:

I totally agree, I think once Greyhound is cleaned up, quite a bit of the foolishness (along with SEARCH and a few other places) in downtown would break up this happy little Hobo Home.

Lurching forward 10 years, some things have changed, some have not.
SEARCH has relocated from Midtown to EaDo (for the time being).
Another service agency (Career and Recovery Resources, Inc.) has expanded its operations; it's unlikely to relocate in the foreseeable future.
Fewer people seem to be congregating directly adjacent to the Greyhound station; whether this was accomplished by guards,  armed or unarmed, is something I do not know.
The Texaco at Webster (between Fannin and San Jacinto), the Chevron (at Hadley and Main), the McDonald's on Main, and streets intersecting the Pierce Elevated overpass have become popular gathering places. There they shall probably remain until asked, told, or forced to move.

 

 

 

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With the Pierce elevated getting demolished, I could see the McDonald's block getting redeveloped pretty quickly.

Months of demolition and then no more cover would remove the streets under the Pierce elevated as a gathering place.

The Chevron is one of the few gas stations in midtown, so I doubt it's going anywhere, but if more development comes in from the NE, it would likely have less people gathering there.

 

That Texaco station is huge, and might be profitable enough nothing will happen with it until the land is worth enough for a highrise

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Demolishing the Pierce Elevated is not a foregone conclusion at this point, and shouldn't be as there are alternative opportunities worth discussing.  It is certainly being decommissioned, and the latest economic study on the issue indicates an increase in investment in the area of the Pierce that would be 4 times greater if the Pierce were left in place as a linear space programmed (both below and on the elevated) for different activities and developments.  

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Either way, a demolished or redone pierce elevated will dramatically change those blocks

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On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 10:16 AM, cspwal said:

That Texaco station is huge, and might be profitable enough nothing will happen with it until the land is worth enough for a highrise

Currently, the Texaco station has some gas pumps, a small auto repair facility, a Thai restaurant, and a convenience store. Two fairly large spaces (the former dry cleaners on the south end of the building, and a restaurant space on the north end) have remained vacant for quite a while.
To their credit, the management has maintained some security presence. Fewer people are congregating on their property, deciding instead to hang out across the street on Webster.
An interesting aside: today, an HPD officer was quizzing the convenience store clerk about the security guard, and asked to speak to his (the guard's) supervisor. "He ain't got no pistol permit" the officer began, "and he ain't got no ID..." :huh:

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