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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/brown-asian-names/

"Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese β€” I understand it’s a rather difficult language β€” do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?” Brown said.

Just when you thought Conservatives couldn't get any more ignorant or racist.... they prove you wrong.

You mean you have to learn Chinese to pronounce their names? Do I also have to learn Dutch to pronounce "van der Pol"? Brown should be placed into a straitjacket, thrown into a van, driven to the Mississippi State Line, and dumped there. I think she'd fit in better there. :wacko:

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You mean you have to learn Chinese to pronounce their names? Do I also have to learn Dutch to pronounce "van der Pol"? Brown should be placed into a straitjacket, thrown into a van, driven to the Mississippi State Line, and dumped there. I think she'd fit in better there. :wacko:

I guess she thinks everyone should have nice, white Christian names.... someone forgot to tell her this is America and we are a Nation made up of people from around the world.

Yet more proof "patriotic" Republicans / Conservatives don't give a crap about America.

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If Mrs. Brown would confront the REAL problem here, the illegal use of consecutive consonants by the Polish and Slavic descendants, then I might support her stance. WOJCIECHOWSKI is far worse than YAO. This bimbo needs to get her surname discrimination right.

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If Mrs. Brown would confront the REAL problem here, the illegal use of consecutive consonants by the Polish and Slavic descendants, then I might support her stance. WOJCIECHOWSKI is far worse than YAO. This bimbo needs to get her surname discrimination right.

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As a multiracial Asian person, this doesn't offend me as much as it makes me shake my head...

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This is so idiotic. I'm so glad she belongs to them.

I remember back in the 70's, I was just out of college and had my first real job, as a department manager at Kmart. I was working in a store in Brownsville Texas. Customers from Matamoras were wanting to open lay-away accounts, but the space allowed for the name on the form was too short. Mexican citizens are accustomed to using their maternal and fraternal maiden names on such applications. Try fitting Magdelana Teresa Rubio de la Cruz Velasquez Juerta on a space meant for just "Henrietta Johnson". I kept trying to tell the sales clerk to make the customer pick only one name. They all looked at me like I was crazy.

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Only in Texas...(Just another reason why the State has such a bad/hick reputation)

Well, Texas ain't the only state with stupid legislators. Look up Douglas Bruce of Colorado for a good example. Oh and don't forget that former Illinois governor (I'm not going to try to spell his name :-) )

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although this texas lawmaker needs to "catch up" with the rest of the world, i remember many asian-american friends who had a "christian" name and their buddhist names. they used their "christian" name on school records and in public, their buddhist names with family & close friends. it isn't unheard of for people from other nationalities to take on a second or different name in order to communicate and be understood better.

that being said, an educated society should appreciate the interesting and unique differences from all over the world. take the opportunity to learn something new ms. texas lawmaker. get out some more and hang with non-christian, non-american folks a bit. you might broaden your world view and at least hesitate to say something that make you seem a little....backwoods. ;)

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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/brown-asian-names/

Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them 'easier for Americans to deal with.'

On Tuesday, State Rep. Betty Brown (a republican) caused a firestorm during House testimony on voter identification legislation when she said that Asian-Americans should change their names because they're too hard to pronounce:

"Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese

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You liberals are a freaking joke - what she said was CERTAINLY insensitive, but in your picking and choosing of what to show here on the thread, and the Joke of the Chronicles picking and choosing what to PRINT - the entire issue did not even get printed.

What ACTUALLY happened in the real world, not the media world - is she said that they should simplify their names, because they use multiple names on different forms of ID. They will use their REAL name when they get a SS card, and a Voter registration card - but then they will "Americanize" their name for their drivers licenses and school id cards - She simply said you need to make it more simple - use the same freaking name for everything - A person cant make a name up for some things, and then expect that everyone will just believe they are who they say they are when they try to pass off as a DIFFERENT NAME! Do that at a bank - open an account with one name and then try to withdraw weeks later with a different name on your ID - YOU WONT GET MONEY.

The Chron article was such crap - not even printing the real story of what happened, and in your idiotic fury of hatred of everyone with a

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Folks, it doesn't do anyone any good to making sweeping generalizations about people (from both "sides"). It is tiring and nonconstructive.

I'm trying to make my way through the bill text, but it's a little...well, let's just say it isn't the best Friday morning reading :P

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Because she said what a lot of them are thinking. I'm a white male who used to be very much a ditto-head. I think that other white males can confirm that when they are around other white males, this type of opinion is given. They just naturally think that I would agree with them so they say these type of idiotic things around each other.

This lady just said it in front of a microphone.

Do I think ALL Republicans are racists? No. But do I think MOST racists are Republicans? Yes. Remember, there was a time when the GOP was the party of Lincoln and the Democratic Party was the party of segregationists. As the Dems became more progressive on civil rights in the '60's, these segregationists didn't just disappear, they just moved over to the GOP as a part of Nixon's "Southern Strategy."

And let's remember the idea behind this Voter ID legislation is to supress the minority turnout in elections. Back in the day they had the "Poll Tax", now it's this. The ironic thing is that they are offending the last group of minority voters that actualy support the GOP in large numbers. Asian Americans were very big supports of John McCain in the last election.

"Barack the Magic Negro" I rest my case.

The term racist now has come to represent ONLY white people. When in reality - I firmly believe that there are many times more Black people who are racist against whites, and Hispanics, than there are remnants of racists who are white. There will always be racism - you cant force people to get along if they do not want to - but each generation of white people is more accepting than the next, and it seems to me the black generations are more and more hostile towards everyone else.

The difference between the two being that a black person can call a white person anything he wants, and its not racist. A black person can call a hispanic anything he wants, and nobody raises a stink about it. Same is true for a Hispanic saying anything about blacks or other hispanics, but a White person GOD FORBID says something that can be DISTORTED to be made even mildly offensive, and they are the worst of the Racists.

Im sick of it - There are racists everywhere - Whites are the only one who are getting torn apart becuase they have been so busy trying to appease everyone else they are afraid to stand up and say no - your an idiot - Im not racist because I dont agree with you, and Im not racist if I dont want to change EVERYTHING in my life to appease you. This country has a history that is being eroded in the name of political correctness - and I for one think its time to stand up and say ENOUGH -

Its not racist to think Obama is an idiot and hate all of his policies

Its not racist to tell an asian person that if they want to vote, they need to have the same name on their picture ID as is on their Voter registration

Its not racist to require ID to vote - its COMMON FREAKING SENSE - otherwise anyone can vote however many times they want.

Its not racist to enforce our laws against illegal immigrants of ANY nationality.

I do not see how in any sense of the imagination its minority voter suppression to require ID to vote - its the ONLY way to guarantee that the person who is voting, is who they say they are, and are ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO VOTE - NEWS FLASH - your illegal - you shouldnt be here - you dont get to freaking vote!

This is NOT RACISM - IVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THIS BS

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You liberals are a freaking joke - what she said was CERTAINLY insensitive, but in your picking and choosing of what to show here on the thread, and the Joke of the Chronicles picking and choosing what to PRINT - the entire issue did not even get printed.

What ACTUALLY happened in the real world, not the media world - is she said that they should simplify their names, because they use multiple names on different forms of ID. They will use their REAL name when they get a SS card, and a Voter registration card - but then they will "Americanize" their name for their drivers licenses and school id cards - She simply said you need to make it more simple - use the same freaking name for everything - A person cant make a name up for some things, and then expect that everyone will just believe they are who they say they are when they try to pass off as a DIFFERENT NAME! Do that at a bank - open an account with one name and then try to withdraw weeks later with a different name on your ID - YOU WONT GET MONEY.

The Chron article was such crap - not even printing the real story of what happened, and in your idiotic fury of hatred of everyone with a

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Thank you for your attempt at rewriting what the lady said. However, her statements are in quotes. We can easily read what she was saying.

Red - again your wrong because you didnt read what she was saying; you read only the quote and not the issue - the paper printed ONLY the quote and not the issue. I am not disputing what she said in quotes, rather when taken COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT it is much worse than when it is put into the context in which it was said. I can pick through words in your post, and only use the ones I want and make you look like an idiot too.

In reading through the posts, I only see one post laced with "idiotic fury of hatred of everyone" in this thread...yours. The rest of them appear to be a rhetorical shaking of the head that elected officals in 2009 can still make such a thoughtless remark.

REALLY? you didnt see it - let me help you -

HtownWXboy - "Just when you thought Conservatives couldn't get any more ignorant or racist.... they prove you wrong."

HtownWXboy - "Yet more proof "patriotic" Republicans / Conservatives don't give a crap about America. "

sowanone -"Only in Texas...Just another reason why the State has such a bad/hick reputation"

20thstreetdad - "Wow. What idiotic district can claim this old bag? I mean, my grandmother would say the same dumb #&*$^"

Is that enough of the "hatred" from your distorted side? Guess you missed those with your blinders on.

I never get accused of being racist. I don't know why it seems to happen to you, but it never happens to me.

I have never once been accused of being racist - but I see white people in public office who clearly are not racist get accused of it all the time because its the Democrats lame lazy way of getting a whole bunch of idiots riled up and protesting out in the street. It works too - you say racist you get marchers, you get the republican party trying to do damage control, the guy ends up stepping down because they are trying to save the party the work of defending him, and then bam - new election plays the comments out of context again and again and the sleezy Democrat is now in office. Ive seen it time and time again. Obama played the race card in his campaign, and no white person is allowed to refute anything b/c its racist to call a black person out for being racist.

This lady is not racist and ANY attempt of yours to try to REWRITE what was said and in what context - is just a blatant lie - what she said may have been insensitive, but it is not IN ANY STRETCH RACIST.

I didnt make anything up or rewrite a thing - you and your liberal friends made the whole story up. Please Please explain to me what is racist about asking them to pick one name and adopt it to make it easier. If you want a long name on your voter registration fine, but it needs to be on your drivers license too.

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Sigh. Have you not learned Marksmu, that if your not politically correct than therefore you must be a racists? :rolleyes:

Or, perhaps the stress of being politically correct is getting to him. Political incorrectness is liberating. Kinda like scratching your crotch, it just makes you feel better. It relieves tension. Or, maybe it is because he doesn't smoke. See, when I'm stressed out, I light up a smoke. With each puff, I feel a warm feeling of calmness. For those who do not smoke, some other activity must replace that stress relief, like, for instance, telling n*****r jokes. For those who cannot smoke AND cannot tell off-color jokes, the stress builds up until they explode in an internet forum, often including poor grammar, misspelled words, and copious use of the Cap Lock key.

At least, that's my theory. Others may see it differently.

HEY KIDS! In an effort to be more helpful to your friendly neighborhood poll worker, Betty Brown has developed a 'Betty Brown Approved American Name Generator! Click on the link and type in your crappy foreign name and Betty will give you a patriotic America approved name to register to vote. Go on! It's easy!

Betty Brown American Name Generator

Mine's Billy-Ray "WalMart" Brown. I think I'll put it in my sig. :P

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HEY KIDS! In an effort to be more helpful to your friendly neighborhood poll worker, Betty Brown has developed a 'Betty Brown Approved American Name Generator! Click on the link and type in your crappy foreign name and Betty will give you a patriotic America approved name to register to vote. Go on! It's easy!

Betty Brown American Name Generator

Mine's Billy-Ray "WalMart" Brown. I think I'll put it in my sig. :P

Oh lol!

Mine's LaVerne "Cracker Barrel" Brown :P

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Or, perhaps the stress of being politically correct is getting to him. Political incorrectness is liberating. Kinda like scratching your crotch, it just makes you feel better. It relieves tension. Or, maybe it is because he doesn't smoke. See, when I'm stressed out, I light up a smoke. With each puff, I feel a warm feeling of calmness. For those who do not smoke, some other activity must replace that stress relief, like, for instance, telling n*****r jokes. For those who cannot smoke AND cannot tell off-color jokes, the stress builds up until they explode in an internet forum, often including poor grammar, misspelled words, and copious use of the Cap Lock key.

At least, that's my theory. Others may see it differently.

HEY KIDS! In an effort to be more helpful to your friendly neighborhood poll worker, Betty Brown has developed a 'Betty Brown Approved American Name Generator! Click on the link and type in your crappy foreign name and Betty will give you a patriotic America approved name to register to vote. Go on! It's easy!

Betty Brown American Name Generator

Mine's Billy-Ray "WalMart" Brown. I think I'll put it in my sig. :P

Classic liberal playbook - cant win an argument because the truth is right there in your face, change the topic. This poor lady has been getting raked over the coals for nothing - just another page out of the left wing spin machine. Its pathetic.

Typical though - try to call me a racist for pointing out the gaping holes in your imaginary land.

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Pet peeve time.

Your and You're. Please learn the difference.

Hey Crunch-

Using "crunchtastic" as your female name, your new Betty Brown name is "Crystal Lunchables Brown."

AWESOME. Thanks! I think 'Crystal' is going to be a hardworking, meth-using, truck stop waitress with a heart of gold.

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The term racist now has come to represent ONLY white people. When in reality - I firmly believe that there are many times more Black people who are racist against whites, and Hispanics, than there are remnants of racists who are white. There will always be racism - you cant force people to get along if they do not want to - but each generation of white people is more accepting than the next, and it seems to me the black generations are more and more hostile towards everyone else.

The difference between the two being that a black person can call a white person anything he wants, and its not racist. A black person can call a hispanic anything he wants, and nobody raises a stink about it. Same is true for a Hispanic saying anything about blacks or other hispanics, but a White person GOD FORBID says something that can be DISTORTED to be made even mildly offensive, and they are the worst of the Racists.

Im sick of it - There are racists everywhere - Whites are the only one who are getting torn apart becuase they have been so busy trying to appease everyone else they are afraid to stand up and say no - your an idiot - Im not racist because I dont agree with you, and Im not racist if I dont want to change EVERYTHING in my life to appease you. This country has a history that is being eroded in the name of political correctness - and I for one think its time to stand up and say ENOUGH -

Its not racist to think Obama is an idiot and hate all of his policies

Its not racist to tell an asian person that if they want to vote, they need to have the same name on their picture ID as is on their Voter registration

Its not racist to require ID to vote - its COMMON FREAKING SENSE - otherwise anyone can vote however many times they want.

Its not racist to enforce our laws against illegal immigrants of ANY nationality.

I do not see how in any sense of the imagination its minority voter suppression to require ID to vote - its the ONLY way to guarantee that the person who is voting, is who they say they are, and are ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO VOTE - NEWS FLASH - your illegal - you shouldnt be here - you dont get to freaking vote!

This is NOT RACISM - IVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THIS BS

I think this rant just proved my point again. Sort of like this fellow from "Twelve Angry Men"

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I think this rant just proved my point again. Sort of like this fellow from "Twelve Angry Men"

News flash Mr. Progressive - you never made a point - all you ever said was you think more racists are republicans. And I pointed out that I firmly believe that to be ridiculous. I said only one thing - I'm tired of everybody using white people as a punching bag. A white person should be allowed to have an opinion about something without fear of being labeled a racist. In the world today we do not have that freedom. If it can be construed for political gain it will be. If that Betty Brown name generator site were creating slave names or any other type of racist name against any other race of person - it would be the worst site in the world. Simply because it is generating names that make fun of a white person its not racist. Its ok to make fun of white people, but nobody else.

I can see you feel very guilty for being white - Your probably one of the sheep who actually voted for Obama to help ease your conscience. - How very progressive of you.

EDIT - You also failed to point out exactly how it is racist or voter suppression to require an ID to vote.

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Sorry, but this isn't about being politically correct. This is about NOT being a total dumbass.

As a white person, I take offense to Betty's comments because they make us all look foolish. Is she trying to say we can't master difficult word pronunciations? Is she trying to say Asians aren't Americans? Seriously, what is her point and why on earth would she say this to a speaker from an Asian-American group giving testimony in Austin?

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Sorry, but this isn't about being politically correct. This is about NOT being a total dumbass.

As a white person, I take offense to Betty's comments because they make us all look foolish. Is she trying to say we can't master difficult word pronunciations? Is she trying to say Asians aren't Americans? Seriously, what is her point and why on earth would she say this to a speaker from an Asian-American group giving testimony in Austin?

Her point was simple - The Asian population needs to choose a single name and stick with it. The Asian, Mr Ko, was complaining to the committee that people of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent often have problems voting because many times they have different names on their different forms of ID. Their Voter Registration and Social Security Cards had their true family surname on them, whereas their picture id's like drivers licenses, and school Id's had names that they had "Americanized" or shortened for ease of use in our society.

His complaint was that polling places were turning these Asian American's away because their name on their drivers license or school ID did not match the name on the voter registration card. Her recommendation was couldn't they make it easier on us and adopt a name that we can deal with rather than us have to learn to translate their surnames into the Americanized names they adopted.

She may not have chosen her words carefully, but I do not see how she was being stupid. Its just been jumped on by liberals as an opportunity to make another republican look racist.

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She may not have chosen her words carefully, but I do not see how she was being stupid. Its just been jumped on by liberals as an opportunity to make another republican look racist.

Maybe she wasn't stupid, but I have to admit that I am having a hard time coming up with a word to describe the act of insulting the only minority that tended to support the GOP....other than, well, STUPID.

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Her point was simple - The Asian population needs to choose a single name and stick with it. The Asian, Mr Ko, was complaining to the committee that people of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent often have problems voting because many times they have different names on their different forms of ID. Their Voter Registration and Social Security Cards had their true family surname on them, whereas their picture id's like drivers licenses, and school Id's had names that they had "Americanized" or shortened for ease of use in our society.

I'm wondering why they have different names on different things. I'd guess that some forms have longer spaces, so they put their full names, then they run into forms with fewer spaces and are forced to truncate them

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HEY KIDS! In an effort to be more helpful to your friendly neighborhood poll worker, Betty Brown has developed a 'Betty Brown Approved American Name Generator! Click on the link and type in your crappy foreign name and Betty will give you a patriotic America approved name to register to vote. Go on! It's easy!

Betty Brown American Name Generator

Mine's Billy-Ray "WalMart" Brown. I think I'll put it in my sig. :P

:lol: I am Billy-Ray "Cracker Barrel" Brown!!

The term racist now has come to represent ONLY white people.

Not in my book... I know of many racists who aren't white.

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One minute, you say

what she said was CERTAINLY insensitive

Then the next, you say

This poor lady has been getting raked over the coals for nothing

Make up your mind, was what she said "insensitive" or "nothing"?

The "JLWM8609 Name Change Generator" has now changed your name to "MarkJohnKerrysmu" for your flip flop.

Yours Truly,

Joe-Bob "Dude Ranch" Brown ;)

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Sorry, but this isn't about being politically correct. This is about NOT being a total dumbass.

As a white person, I take offense to Betty's comments because they make us all look foolish. Is she trying to say we can't master difficult word pronunciations? Is she trying to say Asians aren't Americans? Seriously, what is her point and why on earth would she say this to a speaker from an Asian-American group giving testimony in Austin?

As a white person, I take no offense to Betty's comments because they only make some of us look foolish, and not without reason. Many of us are foolish. I readily acknowledge the existence of dumb ____s among all races, ethnicities, genders, religious affiliations, sexualities, and political constituencies. I, myself, cannot be held responsible for their actions.

At this point, I'm not clear what the precise intent was. I can't access the Chronicle article, and other articles don't provide much detail on the issue. And I appreciate Sevfiv's effort to find the language in the bill that addresses this.

I know that many Chinese or Taiwanese (and possibly also other Asian nationalities, though I'm not personally aware of any examples) use an Americanized name for eased social interaction, and Americans speaking Chinese often do the same thing in reverse for the very same reason. I have a (black) friend who uses her legal American name domestically but a Chinese translation of it when dealing with China or Taiwan. It isn't racist, and really is just about making socialization easier. Now, having said that, I don't know whether she had her translated name on any of her documents when she was living in China. If so, then I could understand how it might confuse the bureaucracies over there and why they might force her to use one name or another. If that's the kind of issue that Betty Brown is bringing up, then it could be legitimate. **COULD BE** Names and aliases are very important, having implications not only at the voting booth but for law enforcement, immigration, tax filing, and so on and so forth. But as I pointed out, I've only seen a few quotes, and no context. Although I am dubious, I will give her the benefit of the doubt until such time as I actually understand the issue.

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Her point was simple - The Asian population needs to choose a single name and stick with it. The Asian, Mr Ko, was complaining to the committee that people of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent often have problems voting because many times they have different names on their different forms of ID. Their Voter Registration and Social Security Cards had their true family surname on them, whereas their picture id's like drivers licenses, and school Id's had names that they had "Americanized" or shortened for ease of use in our society.

His complaint was that polling places were turning these Asian American's away because their name on their drivers license or school ID did not match the name on the voter registration card. Her recommendation was couldn't they make it easier on us and adopt a name that we can deal with rather than us have to learn to translate their surnames into the Americanized names they adopted.

She may not have chosen her words carefully, but I do not see how she was being stupid. Its just been jumped on by liberals as an opportunity to make another republican look racist.

I have never been asked for an additional ID card when I vote. I show the clerk my voter registration card and that's it. Why would a clerk need to see other identifications if you have your voter registration card with you? The voter registration card shows a date of birth, gender, precinct number, address and a voter ID number. That's it. Show that and vote. Am I missing something?

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I have never been asked for an additional ID card when I vote. I show the clerk my voter registration card and that's it. Why would a clerk need to see other identifications if you have your voter registration card with you? The voter registration card shows a date of birth, gender, precinct number, address and a voter ID number. That's it. Show that and vote. Am I missing something?

Good point, and also there is only one place for you to sign your name when you vote. This idea that there are teams of "Acorn-sponsored" minorities out there voting multiple times is B.S. If you've already signed in and voted, no one can come behind you and vote again.

There is a reason why these ID bills are pushed exclusively by the GOP. They are known to supress voter turnout amoung minorites. As we know from voting statistics, minorities by far vote Democratic.

http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/03/sup...g-the-vote.html

Anyone that says otherwise is full of it.

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I have never been asked for an additional ID card when I vote. I show the clerk my voter registration card and that's it. Why would a clerk need to see other identifications if you have your voter registration card with you? The voter registration card shows a date of birth, gender, precinct number, address and a voter ID number. That's it. Show that and vote. Am I missing something?

I had to show my ID at Books-A-Million in the Abilene Mall when I voted.

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My "Betty Brown" name was close...oh, so close.

Timmy Chan translates to BILLY RAY "Chicken and Dumplings" BROWN.

Change the dumplings to "Egg Rolls" and you're on to something... :P

The Americanized name alsohappens to be shared with a certain 4-time All-American golfer at that little university a few blocks down Scott Street from Timmy Chan's Chicken and Egg Rolls!

Is Billy Ray Brown the Original Original Timmy Chan?!?

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I have never been asked for an additional ID card when I vote. I show the clerk my voter registration card and that's it. Why would a clerk need to see other identifications if you have your voter registration card with you? The voter registration card shows a date of birth, gender, precinct number, address and a voter ID number. That's it. Show that and vote. Am I missing something?

I was thinking the same thing...

Also, if a woman has two forms of ID, one with her maiden name and one without, is she similarly turned away (assuming she is even asked for the 2nd form of ID) ?

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