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  1. 1. Overall, Do You Approve or Disapprove of the Presiden'ts job so far?

    • Strongly Approve - Dem
      12
    • Strongly Approve - Rep
      0
    • Strongly Approve - Ind/Other
      14
    • Somewhat Approve - Dem
      9
    • Somewhat Approve - Rep
      1
    • Somewhat Approve - Ind/Other
      15
    • Somewhat Dissaprove - Dem
      0
    • Somewhat Dissaprove - Rep
      4
    • Somewhat Dissaprove - Ind/Other
      7
    • Strongly Dissaprove - Dem
      3
    • Strongly Dissaprove - Rep
      5
    • Strongly Dissaprove - Ind/Other
      16


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 I keep changing my vote between somewhat disapprove to somewhat approve. Even though I didn't vote for the guy, I’m a moderate liberal republican and I think he's done better in some areas than I would have thought such as being more hawkish on homeland security.  Except for his supporting the closing of Guantanamo Bay (I guess to appease the pussified liberals) he has taken a hard line stance against terrorism and countries that just cannot be trusted instead of giving them the keys to our country like many hard-line conservatives were afraid of.  

 It's way to early to pass judgment on his bailout plans and the economy yet, though as long as my 457 keeps improving I'm not going to complain. I do hope he starts taking a hard look at our counties growing deficit soon.

I enjoy his non-religious partisan (one thing I absolutely hate about the republican party) but believe he needs to apply more bi-partisan positions in other needed reforms such as health care.

I’m still afraid he’s in way over his head. I just hope he listens to the right people and does not make snap judgments as he has shown he is sometimes prone to do.  He inherited a complete mess caused by BOTH republicans and democrats and hopefully will make the right decisions. For his country, not just his party.   

ps: I was hoping he would have decriminalized weed by now.  ^_^

ditto

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/nobel.peace.prize/index.html

Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said.Jagland said the decision was "unanimous" and came with ease
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http://www.cnn.com/2...rize/index.html

Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Well, I know the haters will be all over this. But it does show that, like it or not, Obama has certainly not lost the good opinion of many people outside the US.

It will be argued whether or not he deserves this. In any case, I hope he is able to use this honor to back up his efforts in diplomacy. It would be nice if we weren't forever at the brink of a new war.

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Well, I know the haters will be all over this. But it does show that, like it or not, Obama has certainly not lost the good opinion of many people outside the US.

It will be argued whether or not he deserves this. In any case, I hope he is able to use this honor to back up his efforts in diplomacy. It would be nice if we weren't forever at the brink of a new war.

The Fox News message board already has over 1200 comments. The AWPs are going nuts over this.

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The Fox News message board already has over 1200 comments. The AWPs are going nuts over this.

Now there are 1347 comments. My god, the comments page is going wild. In ten minutes, there were over 100 comments added, and not many of them were positive.

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From Fox News:

Its good to see the liberal democrats finally turn to FOX for the truth...watching MSNBC and rachael MANdow would make anyone throw up....the liberal fruits are still defending 'the joker' for now..but everyone knows it takes months to detox off that koolaid
Great , Now we have affirmative action Nobel prizes. I thought these awards were based on accomplishments not personalities.
What an absolute effing joke! Nuff said, from me.
Are you frekin kidding me? The Nobel Peace Prize? Barack Hussien Obama. Mmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm.

These guys are making the Chron posters look like Einstein.

Edit: 1413 posts and climbing.

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Jimmy Carter deserved the Peace Prize. What he did in his presidency + over 2 decades of dedicated, world-wide community service...

Obama... in office only 2 weeks, gets nominated... and wins. And peace? He's managing two wars, right now.

It's kind of a joke...

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Jimmy Carter deserved the Peace Prize. What he did in his presidency + over 2 decades of dedicated, world-wide community service...

Obama... in office only 2 weeks, gets nominated... and wins. And peace? He's managing two wars, right now.

It's kind of a joke...

True, it does kind of cheapen the award I think. Maybe they can start doing a red carpet, Sunday night hosted tv program for it now. I think this is more the world giving him the first relevant award that came up as a thank you for dethroning GW, being that there were no other strong cases out there for the peace prize.

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Jimmy Carter deserved the Peace Prize. What he did in his presidency + over 2 decades of dedicated, world-wide community service...

Obama... in office only 2 weeks, gets nominated... and wins. And peace? He's managing two wars, right now.

It's kind of a joke...

True, it does kind of cheapen the award I think. Maybe they can start doing a red carpet, Sunday night hosted tv program for it now. I think this is more the world giving him the first relevant award that came up as a thank you for dethroning GW, being that there were no other strong cases out there for the peace prize.

No worries, it lost its legitimacy ages ago when they gave it to Arafat and Kissinger.

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Well, I almost dropped my drink when I heard that he won.

The fact that the deadlines for nominations were shortly after he was sworn in makes me wonder WHY he won.

20th and BryanS have very valid points. This only cheapens the award to someone that hasn't truly done anything.

I repeat, he has not done anything that would qualify BEFORE his nomination to win the Prize.

Norwegians. The cold finally started affecting their common sense.

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Well, I almost dropped my drink when I heard that he won.

The fact that the deadlines for nominations were shortly after he was sworn in makes me wonder WHY he won.

20th and BryanS have very valid points. This only cheapens the award to someone that hasn't truly done anything.

I repeat, he has not done anything that would qualify BEFORE his nomination to win the Prize.

Norwegians. The cold finally started affecting their common sense.

Considering that Hitler has been nominated in the past, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Just a bunch of wacko, socialist Europeans. I am sure they pee their pants when rock-star Barry appears.

Damned socialists, with their sharin' and their peepee pants! Don't they know Jesus don't want no sharin' and no peepee pants in Heaven? God'll make you have a job in Heaven too. Cain't be no lazy good-fer-nuthin's sponging off the God teet.

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Damned socialists, with their sharin' and their peepee pants! Don't they know Jesus don't want no sharin' and no peepee pants in Heaven? God'll make you have a job in Heaven too. Cain't be no lazy good-fer-nuthin's sponging off the God teet.

You ain't gitten none a mine. I ain't sharin nutten wit yew. Even if yew axe me nice.

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The award does seem premature considering he's only talked about the things the award represents. But I don't get all the anger coming from conservatives. Obama was very humble in his acceptance and did not ask for the award. I figure we should just be honored to have the award bestowed upon our president.

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The award does seem premature considering he's only talked about the things the award represents. But I don't get all the anger coming from conservatives. Obama was very humble in his acceptance and did not ask for the award. I figure we should just be honored to have the award bestowed upon our president.

Anyone seen if he's going to take the cash prize?

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Anyone seen if he's going to take the cash prize?

He going to take the money and buy some good Maui weed and sit in the middle of the oval office with Rham and load up a big bowlfull in his new bong and get soooooo wasted. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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He going to take the money and buy some good Maui weed and sit in the middle of the oval office with Rham and load up a big bowlfull in his new bong and get soooooo wasted. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And then they're gonna socialize the crap outta everything!

You know, if he does accept the cash, since he's such a rich person hatin' socialist, he's going to get taxed heavily on it. It solves a small portion of that budget deficit, no? Obama's doing his part to pay for universal healthcare.

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Man, this site has become a hotbed for liberals making the same sweeping judgments of Conservatives as they do regarding liberals. HAIF is dying a quick death. I say that not because of Liberals consuming the site, but because of the unbelievably asinine remarks made of late.

Let the genious insults begin.

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Man, this site has become a hotbed for liberals making the same sweeping judgments of Conservatives as they do regarding liberals. HAIF is dying a quick death. I say that not because of Liberals consuming the site, but because of the unbelievably asinine remarks made of late.

Let the genious insults begin.

You're wound up really tight today.

I suppose the "asinine remarks" are mine? Do you not like the humor in the remarks, or are you just annoyed my politics disagree with yours? Reasoned discussions are far superior to ones steeped in shouting and rhetoric, but there's no reason we shouldn't be able to crack a joke on occasion.

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Man, this site has become a hotbed for liberals making the same sweeping judgments of Conservatives as they do regarding liberals. HAIF is dying a quick death. I say that not because of Liberals consuming the site, but because of the unbelievably asinine remarks made of late.

Let the genious insults begin.

Read the quotes on FoxNews and the Chron regarding this story (Obama's Nobel prize)and get back with us. IMO the discussion on this forum is mostly pretty civil. Any examples of "the unbelievably asinine remarks made of late"? I may be less sensitive but I haven't seen many.

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EDIT: I think everyone should change their vote accordingly, even those that previous strongly disapproved or approved of his performance and it would be interesting where the polls are now.

I was thinking about just creating a new poll in January.

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Read the quotes on FoxNews and the Chron regarding this story (Obama's Nobel prize)and get back with us. IMO the discussion on this forum is mostly pretty civil. Any examples of "the unbelievably asinine remarks made of late"? I may be less sensitive but I haven't seen many.

So anyhow, I was just reading about the Nobel prize, and the book mentioned it was never awarded posthumously. Does anyone suppose, given the rabid and often irrational hatred some people have for Obama, the committee awarded the prize to him now because they weren't certain he'd be around for the next round?

Edit: Fox news update: 4100 AWPs have weighed in now. Good god. It seems that not a single AWP has the slightest idea how to use a comma or has even a remote understanding of the number of periods in an ellipsis. These people can't seem to form a coherent sentence, but they're allowed a voter registration card? It's a travesty.

Hey everybody, the reason the whole world is scared of us is because we allow these goobers to participate in the election of the leader of the free world:

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Hey everybody, the reason the whole world is scared of us is because we allow these goobers to participate in the election of the leader of the free world:

redneck-sign.jpg

Hey now, I resemble that redneck. Except I have more disheveled facial hair and a bigger mullet.

Seriously,......,..,....,,.(commas and excessive ellipses added for effect),..,......,,,,...,are you suggesting that we have poll tests just like back in the day!? There's probably a supreme court decision that disallows it, but all the same, I think you'd only end up disenfranchising minorities again.

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Hey now, I resemble that redneck. Except I have more disheveled facial hair and a bigger mullet.

Seriously,......,..,....,,.(commas and excessive ellipses added for effect),..,......,,,,...,are you suggesting that we have poll tests just like back in the day!? There's probably a supreme court decision that disallows it, but all the same, I think you'd only end up disenfranchising minorities again.

I wonder what the Mulleteer would do if he learned the St Louis Cardinals were named after Roman Catholic clergy and not a bird.

Anyhow, does anybody else laugh when they hear the name Pujols?

You want to re-enfranchise some minorities? Give 'em some Pujols!

The crazy funny thing is about the professional farter, Mssr Pujol (Singular, yes I know). Google this guy, or should I say, Poogle this guy.

Yeah, I avoided the question. So what? The box wine is working on me pretty hard core.

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Damned socialists, with their sharin' and their peepee pants! Don't they know Jesus don't want no sharin' and no peepee pants in Heaven? God'll make you have a job in Heaven too. Cain't be no lazy good-fer-nuthin's sponging off the God teet.

yur funny! i laughed out load for the first time this weekend. thanks.

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  • 3 weeks later...

My personal approval rating of Obama dropped significantly when I woke up this morning to read the news that the FDA is banning sales of raw Gulf oysters.

It's by far the biggest mistake he's made in his 9 months in office.

That is idiotic!!! I can eat any damn animal I want to. No one can stop me!

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Cash for Clunkers Results Finally In: Taxpayers Paid $24,000 per Vehicle Sold Reports Edmunds.com

Sorta...

690,000 vehicles were sold under Cash for Clunkers. That's 125,000 more than Edmunds had predicted. What Edmunds did was take the entire amount the government spent on this program and divided it among just those 125,000 sold. That's where the $24k/car came from. In reality, the government spent just $4k per car sold.

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690,000 vehicles were sold under Cash for Clunkers. That's 125,000 more than Edmunds had predicted. What Edmunds did was take the entire amount the government spent on this program and divided it among just those 125,000 sold. That's where the $24k/car came from. In reality, the government spent just $4k per car sold.

I loved it when someone would come in the showroom waving an Edmunds.com report, trying to tell me how much their piece of crap trade-in was worth. I would tell them "No Problem......see if Edmunds.com will write you a check for that car and take it off your hands." Never did see anyone bring in a check from Edmunds but I usually wound up taking the customer's car in on trade no matter what Edmunds had said. People never seem to get it through their thick skulls that Edmunds is JUST a guide, just a guide people.

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690,000 vehicles were sold under Cash for Clunkers. That's 125,000 more than Edmunds had predicted. What Edmunds did was take the entire amount the government spent on this program and divided it among just those 125,000 sold. That's where the $24k/car came from. In reality, the government spent just $4k per car sold.

it's 125k units more than the norm, which is based on previous sales data. so the 3 billion spent only resulted in 125k more sales than would have happened without government assistance.

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it's 125k units more than the norm, which is based on previous sales data. so the 3 billion spent only resulted in 125k more sales than would have happened without government assistance.

I notice that the "norm" prior to the Cash For Clunkers program was 9.14 to 9.85 million annual vehicle sales, but, miraculously, Edmunds.com's 'team of PhDs and staisticians' believes that the "norm" for July to December 2009 would be 10.11 to 10.89 million vehicles per year. In other words, Edmunds.com claims that vehicle sales would suddenly jump by 500,000 vehicles in the 2nd half of the year on its own. IF you believe that, then the program cost $24,000 per vehicle. I am not at all sure that I believe that.

For whatever else you believe, the Cash for Clunkers was successful in causing the 'official' recession to end...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

...for whatever that's worth.

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For whatever else you believe, the Cash for Clunkers was successful in causing the 'official' recession to end...

http://news.yahoo.co...c_fi/us_economy

...for whatever that's worth.

Which is a pretty big deal. Getting people to spend money on big ticket items during an uncertain economy when businesses are hemorrhaging jobs and not many people feel terribly confident about the future is a pretty big deal.

My only complaint is that I don't think the program really benefited the people it intended to target. With open credit lines dried up like prunes, and with banks only being willing to lend at exorbitant interest rates, the only people who came out ahead were those whose credit was so stellar as to qualify them for the ridiculously low interest rates - people who in all likelihood would have purchased cars anyhow. Those with less than exemplary credit would have been hit with rates that almost entirely ate up any gains they would have gotten from the Cash for Clunkers incentive. It seems to me to have been more a cleverly disguised addition to the bank bailout. The real beneficiaries of this incentive were the wealthy, GMAC, Ford Motor Credit and all the other lending agencies taking part. An interest rate increase of 3% on a $15,000 vehicle would more than have eaten up the $4,000 rebate. Unfortunately, most people's interest rates climbed considerably higher than just 3%. Had most average credit level consumers purchased their new vehicle a year earlier, before the banking collapse and even without the four grand, they'd have paid less by the end of their finance term.

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"The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures."

Has the NBER weighed in on end of "official" recession. Seems like it would take more than one quarter for that to happen, but I might be wrong.

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"The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures."

Has the NBER weighed in on end of "official" recession. Seems like it would take more than one quarter for that to happen, but I might be wrong.

Not sure Ernie.....has there actually been 4 continuous months of economic and job GROWTH ? As I believe it takes 4 continuous months of economic and job decline to be considered a recession.

I found this neat little article that I think helps explain it. http://www.westga.edu/~bquest/2000/dec21.html

Also, as far as the C4Cs is concerned.......look at the new declining car sales numbers and you will see that without a $4k incentive, people are staying away from the dealerships again. October is traditionally not a good month in the business, even in a GOOD economy though. November and December will be able to cast more light on the subject. With the C4C program......those extra 125,000 cars would have been a negative 125,000 units, making a 250,000 unit market swing from the previous year.

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