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I was in Galveston yesterday near Jamaica Beach and we were parked on the beach and just hanging out and enjoying the ocean when a bunch of 20-something year old girls walked by. They got into their car (parked on the beach) rolled down the windows and then dumped a bunch of Starbucks cups, some used tissues, bottles, and some other random garbage out the window onto the sand and casually drove off.

I've noticed this a lot in Texas but this time it really bothered me because they were doing it on the beach. Dropping trash out the window on the 59 is bad enough but dropping it on the beach right next to where people are enjoying nature really made me mad. I would have told them what I thought if they had not driven away. They did it within sight of most of the people on the beach and nobody really seemed to notice or get mad like I did.

A few days ago after a big rain storm, somebody posted a video on Swamplot of all of the garbage going down the Bayou. I know waterways in big cities are generally not the cleanest, but I've never seen anything as bad as Buffalo Bayou. I think it gets so bad because people just throw their trash out onto the street and it washes into the bayou during a big rain. Again, I know this happens in big cities, but there is WAY more trash in the bayou here than in Toronto harbor or any of the creeks in Ontario, or the Niagara River, or in the St. Lawerence in Montreal or in the Chattahoochee in Atlanta or in San Francisco Bay....

So that leaves me wondering, is littering just a part of Texas culture? Why do people seem to litter here more than in other places in North America? This seems weird to me because Texans in general seem to love Texas more than the average person loves their state or province. If they love Texas so much then why do they not care about dumping their trash outside and degrading the natural beauty of their state? Can anybody answer this for me?

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A few years back, I was waiting at a red light on Westheimer at Montrose, heading West. The 20 somethings in the car in front of me rolled down a window and tossed a couple of fast food bags onto the street. A gentleman sitting at teh bus stop took offense to this, stomped over to the car, picked up the trash and threw is back in the car. More of us need to do that, especially when there's little chance of retaliation, like the young women at the beach. I was raised to keep a trash bag in the car, and hate litter. People who toss crap out of the car are classless morons.

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I can't say that I've ever been in a state where I HAVEN'T seen people throw trash out of their cars. But I remember being shocked at how often it happened in Texas, especially in Houston. Texans take a lot of pride in living in Texas, but they don't treat it very well. They treat the state more like a mistress than a wife.

In Cincinnati I remember there were a number of one-way intersections with large trash cans with long chutes extended toward traffic so that the driver of the first car waiting for the light to change could properly dispose of his garbage. I'm not sure how much it helped, because I also remember Cincinnati being a pretty dirty city.

People who visit me always comment on how clean Chicago is. I don't think it's because Chicagoans are less likely to be litterbugs. It's because the city has an army of people with good old fashioned brooms who are constantly cleaning the city's streets day and night. Keeps the place looking nice, and it helps employ a lot of people with marginal education and work skills.

Every couple of days I'll see a tourist outside my building toss a cigarette butt or drop a sandwich wrapper. I ALWAYS walk up to them and inform them that we don't do that here. Since they're tourists (almost always from another country) they're freaked out at being confronted by an American and immediately pick it up. I point out at there is at least one trash can on every corner of the city, and to put the trash where it belongs. Fortunately, it's always tourists; if it was a local I'd probably get the beating of a lifetime.

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On the TV show "Mad Men" last year, the family went for a picnic. After it was done, the dad took all the trash and just threw it out in a field. It was shocking because (on average) we litter a lot less than we used to. I remember a lot more littering when I was a little kid.

Littering isn't a modern thing or a Texan thing, it's a human thing; that's how we know so much about our distant ancestors.

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Littering isn't a modern thing or a Texan thing, it's a human thing

I don't think anybody claimed that littering was strictly a Texan thing. I was just saying that people seem to litter more here than other places, and I wanted to know why. I'm glad people are littering less than in the past, but that doesn't really make me feel any better about seeing people casually throw trash onto a beach while onlookers ignore it.

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Littering isn't a modern thing or a Texan thing, it's a human thing; that's how we know so much about our distant ancestors.

I have little doubt that future genrations will know much more about Texans than other people. ;)

Hard to believe, but it IS much better than it used to be, even as recently as 15-20 years ago, it was much worse. I even remember throwing trash out of my own window back then. I would never dream of it now, and often pick up litter up and down my street.

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It's definitely not just Texas. I think it's mostly young people acting dumb, people who are dumb, and angry poor people. Deliberate littering should be punishable with mandatory jail time, especially cigarette butts. Johnny Redneck who loses trash out of the back of his pickup on the highway should be given a minimum $3000 fine, and if he fits in the angry poor category 3 nights in jail will suffice.

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I don't think anybody claimed that littering was strictly a Texan thing. I was just saying that people seem to litter more here than other places...

I don't think Texans litter more than the human average. They may litter more than some other specific state, but I've seen no evidence of it.

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I don't know about being bad all over Texas, but its really bad in Houston. I created a thread about this a while back about how nasty, trashy and run down some parts of Houston are. When people see trash everywhere they just figure its okay to throw their trash out. I don't do it and I hate when I see people do it. I was at the mall yesterday and this lady just open her door and threw out her trash in the parking lot like it was nothing. It really makes me mad when I see this.

Houston just needs stricter fines for littering. I think all cities have the littering problem, but other cities have stricter rules and probably can clean it up a lot easier than in Houston because Houston is so big.

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I've noticed this a lot in Texas but this time it really bothered me because they were doing it on the beach. Dropping trash out the window on the 59 is bad enough but dropping it on the beach right next to where people are enjoying nature really made me mad. I would have told them what I thought if they had not driven away. They did it within sight of most of the people on the beach and nobody really seemed to notice or get mad like I did.

did you pick it up or just whine and do nothing?

I'm glad people are littering less than in the past, but that doesn't really make me feel any better about seeing people casually throw trash onto a beach while onlookers ignore it.

weren't you an onlooker?

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One thing I will say has changed a lot since I was a kid is pop tops. I remember there being hundreds of them scattered around beaches and we always had to keep an eye out for them. Now that the cans have been redesigned, at least there's one piece of litter we don't see anymore.

Now if we could invent a cigarette butt that dissolved in a couple of days, that would be great.

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One thing I will say has changed a lot since I was a kid is pop tops. I remember there being hundreds of them scattered around beaches and we always had to keep an eye out for them. Now that the cans have been redesigned, at least there's one piece of litter we don't see anymore.

Now if we could invent a cigarette butt that dissolved in a couple of days, that would be great.

Now,i wouldnt've picked it up... People act so ignorant in stores too...People should appreciate business let them use the restroom. GROWN people ____ on the toilet and leave a mess! People have the "ah it's not mine i don't give a *** "attitude. What really drives me nuts in when people throw cigarettes out the window...You car already smells like crap keep the damn thing in your car OR atleast put it out!

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did you pick it up or just whine and do nothing?

Of course I picked it up, do you think I am stupid or something? I find it insulting that you even asked, given what I wrote in my first post on this thread.

weren't you an onlooker?

Yes, but as I said I was too far away to get to the car in time (they can drive faster than I can run). If you must know the details, I was away from the parked cars maybe a hundred yards away sitting on the beach in a less crowded spot. They threw the trash in the area where cars were parked on the beach and where most of the people were sitting. Most people like to put their towel down next to their car but I on the other hand like to walk down the beach away from the noise and exhaust. If I had been right next to them I would have said something. There were about 30 or 40 people who witnessed the trash throwing, a majority of which were not more than 10 feet from the car.

All of these facts are kind of irrelevant except that I now feel like I need to defend myself. I feel like I am on trial or something.

After I saw them dump their trash I walked down the beach to see what it was and threw the used kleenexes and cups away in the nearest trash can (about 5 feet away).

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Of course I picked it up, do you think I am stupid or something? I find it insulting that you even asked, given what I wrote in my first post on this thread.

I must have missed the part where you said you picked it up. oh wait, you never said that. instead you went on to question whether Texan culture was the cause.

So that leaves me wondering, is littering just a part of Texas culture? Why do people seem to litter here more than in other places in North America?

There are other places in North America where the trash situation is worse. here it's younger, lazy arses.

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I wouldn't go as far to say it's a part of Texas culture, but it is part of a lazy and ignorant culture that is (imo) growing and growing..

Next time you witness it, take down the plates, make, model, and location of the vehicle and report it here:

http://www.dontmesswithtexas.org/report-a-litterer.php

Not the greatest, but it's something.

I was second in line at the stop light, and the car in front, opened the door, poured the contents of a 20 oz. soda bottle in the street, and the flipped the bottle back over, laid it on the road and shut the door.

When I saw this, I honked out of anger, and she quickly hit the gas and flew halfway into the intersection while the light was still red.

She must of thought I was doing an impatient "green light" honk. I almost cause a huge accident over a plastic bottle. :(

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I must have missed the part where you said you picked it up. oh wait, you never said that. instead you went on to question whether Texan culture was the cause.

I meant you could have reasoned that since I was angry that they threw garbage out of the car, and since I got close enough to see that it was dirty kleenexes and coffee cups, that I most likely threw it away. To imply that I might have let it sit there and complain about it is insulting given the fact that I went to the trouble to write about it on here.

I'd appreciate it if you would stay out of this thread unless you have something constructive to add.

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She must of thought I was doing an impatient "green light" honk. I almost cause a huge accident over a plastic bottle. :(

Na, she maybe had a tiny bit of her conscience creeping up on her and it was out of guilt/wanting to run away ;)

Of course, people who enter an intersection without looking at both their light and presence of cars need to pay more attention, regardless of their obnoxious littering habits.

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Let's don't forget the trash that flies from pickup truck beds. Good grief. The other day I was involved in a near accident because some plywood strips had flown out of a truck onto the freeway and folks were panicking and swerving. But that wasn't as scary as the darned washing machine that bounced from a truck going across the Ship Channel Bridge that had the traffic swerving (about 12 years ago).

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I meant you could have reasoned that since I was angry that they threw garbage out of the car, and since I got close enough to see that it was dirty kleenexes and coffee cups, that I most likely threw it away. To imply that I might have let it sit there and complain about it is insulting given the fact that I went to the trouble to write about it on here.

I'd appreciate it if you would stay out of this thread unless you have something constructive to add.

Jax, I for one appreciate your concern about littering in the area, especially seeing that your not a native. Some people are just pissed off as a way of life, and as a result inflict sarcasm constantly.

Anyway, as a musician that has traveled all over this country, I can say that there is no city as bad as Houston where littering is concerned. I've witnessed trash throwing as was mentioned, and I've come about two seconds from beating a guys face over it. Just talking about this ticks me off.

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Anyway, as a musician that has traveled all over this country, I can say that there is no city as bad as Houston where littering is concerned.

That sort of confirms my suspicion that this was a problem here more than other places. :( I know for a fact that waterways in Canada and Florida and Georgia aren't as littered with floating debris than the bayous here.

I apologize if I insulted anybody by asking if it was a cultural thing. I mean that seriously though. I know that people don't recycle here as much as they do in other states, people just aren't as concerned about things like that, and it seems to be at least partially a cultural thing. Maybe the same with littering?

Maybe they need a new "don't mess with Texas" campaign. Does that stuff really work though?

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I was in Galveston yesterday near Jamaica Beach and we were parked on the beach and just hanging out and enjoying the ocean when a bunch of 20-something year old girls walked by. They got into their car (parked on the beach) rolled down the windows and then dumped a bunch of Starbucks cups, some used tissues, bottles, and some other random garbage out the window onto the sand and casually drove off.

I've noticed this a lot in Texas but this time it really bothered me because they were doing it on the beach. Dropping trash out the window on the 59 is bad enough but dropping it on the beach right next to where people are enjoying nature really made me mad. I would have told them what I thought if they had not driven away. They did it within sight of most of the people on the beach and nobody really seemed to notice or get mad like I did.

A few days ago after a big rain storm, somebody posted a video on Swamplot of all of the garbage going down the Bayou. I know waterways in big cities are generally not the cleanest, but I've never seen anything as bad as Buffalo Bayou. I think it gets so bad because people just throw their trash out onto the street and it washes into the bayou during a big rain. Again, I know this happens in big cities, but there is WAY more trash in the bayou here than in Toronto harbor or any of the creeks in Ontario, or the Niagara River, or in the St. Lawerence in Montreal or in the Chattahoochee in Atlanta or in San Francisco Bay....

So that leaves me wondering, is littering just a part of Texas culture? Why do people seem to litter here more than in other places in North America? This seems weird to me because Texans in general seem to love Texas more than the average person loves their state or province. If they love Texas so much then why do they not care about dumping their trash outside and degrading the natural beauty of their state? Can anybody answer this for me?

What an irony, I was driving back from Galvez yesterday and once I got to Mall of the Mainland (45 heading in) there was a huge grass fire just on the right side. There were several fires trucks trying to extinguish the smoldering fire which was so thick you could hardly see on the frwy. It had to be a blasted cigarette butt from a car passing on 45 what else?

Think people, think! :angry:

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People litter everywhere but it does seem more widespread here.

In Boston, most of the littering I witnessed tended to come from people that didn't seem to care about themselves (crackheads, corner drunks, etc...) and the homeless.

At my new property, which is located on a fairly major thoroughfare in a nice neighborhood, I find junk every morning in my yard (beer cans, smoothie king cups, a beck's prime bag, etc...). I am assuming a lot of it is coming from local teens and maybe even Rice students (I am on the route from 59 back to Rice's campus). I can't wait until I move in because I think I might set up shop in my side yard with a BB-gun.

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But no place in the United States. You can't think of an American city that's dirtier than Houston?

i can think of several that have issues with litter. st louis and new orleans i don't think of as clean cities.

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i can think of several that have issues with litter. st louis and new orleans i don't think of as clean cities.

I can't speak to New Orleans post-Katrina, but the eight or ten times I was there before it looked pretty clean compared to Houston. Sure, there were lots of odd smells and stains, but it didn't have burger wrappers blowing down the streets and piles of cigarette butts.

Saint Louis is very clean compared to Houston and many other cities.

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Unfortunately, I can't think of a city off the top of my head that has a litter problem like us (metro area).

I was in Memphis a while back and I thought it was really clean and well-kept (maybe I was there on a good day? Only have been there once).

St. Louis never struck me as dirty, either..

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^I kind of gathered you were here now, but welcome back to Houston!

Thanks. I am psyched to be back. I am loving the California weather we've been having lately. I had forgotten just how nice Houston can be in late winter/early spring.

The problem I see in Houston is that littering seems ok regardless of class or ethnicity. You are just as likely to see someone dump their fast food bag out of a truck as you are some country club mom dump the contents of her purse out of her mercedes coupe.

One thing that crosses my mind is maybe it's a part of our car culture? When you don't interact with people in public spaces (sidewalks, transit, parks, etc...) you're probably less likely to care about your consequences on said spaces. Plus, there's a lot more anonymity in personal cars. We all know we do stuff in private that we'd never do in public so why not just toss it out if you think you can get away with it?

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I'm with Red, in that it used to be much worse.

I've always said it was the "Redneck Mentality". Now, that's not name-calling, because most rednecks proudly proclaim themselves as rednecks.

Edit: Granted, people from all walks of life litter; some just more than others (IMO).

I can't recall the city ever having an anti-littering campaign. I think it's high time we do this. Education is probably the only was to get the message to the litter-bugs.

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I don't think you can blame it just on teens; there aren't enough around to account for the scope of the problem. Isn't it just that there are too many people who are - shall we say - 'less than gentlemen' who don't care about the rest of the world beyond their own nose? In my mind this is the precisely the same sort that cuts up to the front of back-up freeway turn lanes.

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One great idea several fast food chain drive thru's have started doing is having a trash receptacle in place as you exit the drive thru window.

Human nature for many to remove paper wrapper from the straw and quickly chunk out the window. This deters or rather encourages such mindless notions with this somewhat high trash can with extended door. ^_^

Now how can we discourage people from pouring soft drinks onto the parking lot so when you exit or enter your auto you dont step into it? Asking too much I suppose. Ants love it but we dont! :mellow:

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Las Vegas & New Orleans are way dirty, more so then Houston. Las Vegas (the strip) was floored with hand flyers for strippers & whore houses. Althought they do get cleaned up, if you catch it inbetween... not to mention the barf. But atleast the police force is on almost every corner.

New Orleans (Bourbon) is buck nasty. Almost as bad as Dublin. But I think it has more to do with all the Drunks. Except the smell never seems to go away.

If you want to see a dirty city, go to London. They don't have public (and sometimes no commercial) trash cans. I believe its a terrorist/bomb thing... which stretches all through the British Isles.

And not to mention New Jersey. Houston is spotless compared to Newark.

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There is more to Las Vegas than the strip. There is more to NOLA than the Quarter. Generally, in Houston, we have litter throughout the city. It washes down the gutters and into our bayous.

I remember way back when windows on cars were manual, they made a small garbage receptical that hung from the window knob. Now, I just use those plastic grocery bags over my gear shifter on the floor and empty it when it's full. I never put anything in there that might stank!

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Several years ago, I became friends with an engineer from Singapore...you know, the place where it is illegal to chew gum. He had lived in several US cities prior to moving to Houston. When the discussion turned to clean cities, he said that Houston was by far the cleanest city he had been in, much more so than Cincinatti, Cleveland and Chicago. He surmised that his opinion was partly based on the fact that Houston is a newer city, similar to Singapore, but I could not shake him from the belief that Houston was much cleaner.

While I agree with many that our litter is worse than some places, I tend to disagree that Houston overall is a dirtier city.

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There is more to Las Vegas than the strip. There is more to NOLA than the Quarter. Generally, in Houston, we have litter throughout the city. It washes down the gutters and into our bayous.

I remember way back when windows on cars were manual, they made a small garbage receptical that hung from the window knob. Now, I just use those plastic grocery bags over my gear shifter on the floor and empty it when it's full. I never put anything in there that might stank!

To a vistor, no... there is not much more to Las Vegas then the Strip.

And our Bayous don't generate much tourism, then say the Mississippi in New Orleans, the Thames in London, etc. The Bayou doesn't serve much more then a waterway for rain (and trash). And until it upgrades from anything more then that, then you still won't see anyone treating it less then a garbage dump.

Look at the Riverwalk in San Antonio. It's city pride, and of course people will always be trashy (pun intended), but Houston is so vast, and so auto orientated. Show me the civil pride along our ugly freeways.

And sorry to say this, but until Galveston becomes any less of a dump, then people won't treat it any different.

However, trash exsists on all Beaches... from Spain to Destin, FL. But usually in high-tourist areas, they have city funded programs to handle this sort of thing.

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To a vistor, no... there is not much more to Las Vegas then the Strip.

And our Bayous don't generate much tourism, then say the Mississippi in New Orleans, the Thames in London, etc. The Bayou doesn't serve much more then a waterway for rain (and trash). And until it upgrades from anything more then that, then you still won't see anyone treating it less then a garbage dump.

Look at the Riverwalk in San Antonio. It's city pride, and of course people will always be trashy (pun intended), but Houston is so vast, and so auto orientated. Show me the civil pride along our ugly freeways.

And sorry to say this, but until Galveston becomes any less of a dump, then people won't treat it any different.

However, trash exsists on all Beaches... from Spain to Destin, FL. But usually in high-tourist areas, they have city funded programs to handle this sort of thing.

ThEn, let's start an anti-litter movement because we can be cleaner thAn these other places. We need to make it cool NOT to litter.

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And our Bayous don't generate much tourism, then say the Mississippi in New Orleans, the Thames in London, etc. The Bayou doesn't serve much more then a waterway for rain (and trash). And until it upgrades from anything more then that, then you still won't see anyone treating it less then a garbage dump.

I don't think we should be complacent about the state of the bayous just because they are not tourist attractions. They are still natural waterways with animals living in them, and important parts of the Houston ecosystem. Plus all the garbage flows into the gulf which is horrible.

In Canada, where I grew up we have several "creeks" (basically the same as bayous) that run into Lake Ontario. They aren't any more of an attraction than Buffalo Bayou is, but we still don't dump trash into them.

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ThEn, let's start an anti-litter movement because we can be cleaner thAn these other places. We need to make it cool NOT to litter.

Go ahead. I guess "Don't mess with Texas" and the "don't dump in the drains" ads don't work.

I don't think we should be complacent about the state of the bayous just because they are not tourist attractions. They are still natural waterways with animals living in them, and important parts of the Houston ecosystem. Plus all the garbage flows into the gulf which is horrible.

In Canada, where I grew up we have several "creeks" (basically the same as bayous) that run into Lake Ontario. They aren't any more of an attraction than Buffalo Bayou is, but we still don't dump trash into them.

Well to be honest, the Thames might not have so much trash in it, it is all over the sidewalks along it.

And along Cypress Creek up here in Spring, there is hardly any trash. I walk along it, I use to 4-wheel along it before the suburbs & police force took over. An empty bottle of water, every 700ft or so. I think I added more trash with the paper boats we use to make as kids. Also the homeless seem to make fires and also ad to the trash.

When Allison came along back in 04', there was only rushing water. Down in Houston, you could see the trash line in the trees along Buffalo Bayou. I think its more with the trash that was in the streets & freeways in the city. I only see trash along the bayou after a hard rain..

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Jax, I'm guessing the creeks in Canada were not brown like down here. I think there might be a mentality about that & the dumping/littering. Under the 45-10 exchange, there are larger properties with washers & dryers on them. Look shady & angry. The old rail lines next to Downtown (below UHD) look trashy and dumpy. I think there's a mentality to that with the crap that people dump in the Bayou.

But then again, the crap in the Bayou is usually from littering in the streets. So maybe I'm just crazy. But the creeks & rivers north & west of Houston are much more clear, but also around less populations.

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I don't think we should be complacent about the state of the bayous just because they are not tourist attractions. They are still natural waterways with animals living in them, and important parts of the Houston ecosystem. Plus all the garbage flows into the gulf which is horrible.

Oh my God, This reminds me of whey they discovered that some (sleazy) nearby apts (behind Sellers on 45 at Wayside exit) were caught running long plastic hoses into the bayou for human waste disposal. :blink:

This went on for several months to over a year. The slumlords were either too lazy to fix the sewage in that dump or the renters just took upon themselves. It was very 3rd world. Barf out!

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Jax, I'm guessing the creeks in Canada were not brown like down here. I think there might be a mentality about that & the dumping/littering. Under the 45-10 exchange, there are larger properties with washers & dryers on them. Look shady & angry. The old rail lines next to Downtown (below UHD) look trashy and dumpy. I think there's a mentality to that with the crap that people dump in the Bayou.

The creeks I am thinking of are generally very silty, so they're similar to the bayous here. They generally aren't used much for recreation either, but I never see garbage floating down them. Maybe the laws are stricter or the enforecement is better in Canada. I know you'd get a pretty steep fine for throwing a bag of trash into the creek.

It sucks if the color of the water leads to a mentality in some people that it is okay to dump trash in it (or throw trash in the streets which will later get washed into it when it rains). Animals still live in silty brown water. If you're right that the mentality is caused by the color of the water, maybe some education would work...

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"To kids of the early 70s, being called a "litterbug" was a mark of shame."

We had more social programs back in Johnson's Great Society era. Smokey Bear was another successful program to educate on the dangers of forest fires, etc.

I guess we could update the Litterbug label to LitterThugs to make it a little more current sounding.

Phrases: LitterThugs are Trash or Those LitterThugs are just Trashy.

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