HOUSTON TEA PARTY!

[Disastro]

TAX DAY TEA PARTY

April 15 Wednesday 4 p.m. lasting indefinitely

Jones Plaza

[RedScare]

NEW VENUE JONES PLAZA DOWNTOWN!

In light of the attendance at the last "tea party", I think that the decision to move the rally from the 14 acre Discovery Green to the 1.5 acre Jones Plza is a brilliant move.

[Disastro]

In light of the attendance at the last "tea party", I think that the decision to move the rally from the 14 acre Discovery Green to the 1.5 acre Jones Plza is a brilliant move.

Yeah, most conservatives have JOBS and actually work since they aren't looking for a government handout...go figure. And they aren't bohemian hoodlums who have nothing better to do than protest on street corners -- unlike the liberals, anarchists, Dems and commies. However, I would anticipate that Obama (with his plummeting approval ratings) would inspire more to attend this time.

Also, Tea Parties will be taking place across the country on April 15th...not just in Houston. In Texas, there are parties scheduled for Dallas and San Antonio (at least) on the same day.

However, unless the turn out is vastly overwhelming, I doubt the Obamamedia will cover it.

[Flashman]

Classic astroturfing.

[Jax]

Funny how you group anarchists democrats and communists together as bohemian hoodlums. I hope you know that you're making your event seem like a joke by alienating us bohemian hoodlums. You would have done your cause a service if you didn't make yourself sound like an extremist who can't tolerate those with a different opinion.

[Jax]

with his plummeting approval ratings

Doesn't look like it's really plummeting.

It's sort of oscillated between 69 and 59 with a margin of error of at least a few percent.

[Disastro]

Funny how you group anarchists democrats and communists together as bohemian hoodlums. I hope you know that you're making your event seem like a joke by alienating us bohemian hoodlums. You would have done your cause a service if you didn't make yourself sound like an extremist who can't tolerate those with a different opinion.

"Tolerating" every harebrained opinion is what is destroying our country.

Not all opinions are equal. Not all lifestyles are equal. And not all dissent is equal.

Some -- I would say those from the ultra-left side -- are flat out dangerous.

Tolerance is overrated and isn't always necessary...or wise.

Doesn't look like it's really plummeting.

It's sort of oscillated between 69 and 59 with a margin of error of at least a few percent.

The trend is people are starting to wake up and the honeymoon is coming to a close. And the more people wake up to what this narcissist lunatic Socialist wants to do to the country (and the people's pocketbooks), I predict his approval ratings will sink into the toilet...

Most of the country is not as extreme as Obama's kool-aid drinkers.

[RedScare]

"Tolerating" every harebrained opinion is what is destroying our country.

Not all opinions are equal. Not all lifestyles are equal. And not all dissent is equal.

Some -- I would say those from the ultra-left side -- are flat out dangerous.

Tolerance is overrated and isn't always necessary...or wise.

The trend is people are starting to wake up and the honeymoon is coming to a close. And the more people wake up to what this narcissist lunatic Socialist wants to do to the country (and the people's pocketbooks), I predict his approval ratings will sink into the toilet...

Most of the country is not as extreme as Obama's kool-aid drinkers.

Impressive use of buzzwords that have no meaning!

Interesting fact about the liberals, anarchists, Dems and commies. They are all well-versed in the art of producing a dynamic, well attended and news generating protest. If the "Obamamedia" fails to cover your tea party, it would likely be because they could find more people waiting for the signal to change at a Galleria instersection than at your grassroots protest. And, regardless of the reason that your tea party is sparsely attended, low attendance equals paper tiger.

[Disastro]

Tea Parties Across the Country! Read it and weep left-wing lunatics! You cannot delete my voice!!!

I will not be silenced. The only way you can do that is to ban me.

While WND has been tracking 400 individual tea parties across the nation, the American Family Association has announced its count is nearing 1,600

[Jax]

The trend is people are starting to wake up and the honeymoon is coming to a close. And the more people wake up to what this narcissist lunatic Socialist wants to do to the country (and the people's pocketbooks), I predict his approval ratings will sink into the toilet...

That is your opinion but you can't say the current trend is that his approval rate is plummeting, because that is a lie - it's not what the data shows. You can however say it is your prediction that in the future his approval rate will plummet, but after all the name calling I have a hard time trusting your opinion.

[Jax]

Why two threads on the same subject? This kind of seems like propaganda to me. Anybody want to merge or delete? If this thing is being sponsored by "World Net Daily" I can see why it most likely won't have good attendance.

[memebag]

I will not be silenced. The only way you can do that is to ban me.

"Tolerating" every harebrained opinion is what is destroying our country.

[Jax]

Some -- I would say those from the ultra-left side -- are flat out dangerous.

I would agree that extreme leftism is dangerous, but I also think extreme right wing policies are equally as dangerous.

The problem here is people have a hard time recognizing what is extreme and what is not. For example people will criticize the idea that children deserve universal healthcare as "an extreme leftist agenda" while supporting more extreme ideas like cutting all government spending (including spending on children's healthcare and medical research) just so they can pay less taxes. To me that's a more dangerous form of extremism.

[RedScare]

Why two threads on the same subject?

Probably because they have listed a different location for each of the Houston Tea Parties.

As they say, divide and conquer.

[Jax]

Classic astroturfing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

[Jax]

Read it and weep left-wing lunatics! You cannot delete my voice!!!

I hope you understand that calling everybody who disagrees with you a left-wing lunatic, communist, hoodlums etc. detracts from your cause. That just make you seem crazy, and if you want this event to be a success you need to attract more than just crazy people.

[RedScare]

Classic astroturfing.

Confirmed by the handful of HAIFers who attend the last tea party.

[Montrose1100]

"Tolerating" every harebrained opinion is what is destroying our country.

Not all opinions are equal. Not all lifestyles are equal. And not all dissent is equal.

Some -- I would say those from the ultra-left side -- are flat out dangerous.

Tolerance is overrated and isn't always necessary...or wise.

The trend is people are starting to wake up and the honeymoon is coming to a close. And the more people wake up to what this narcissist lunatic Socialist wants to do to the country (and the people's pocketbooks), I predict his approval ratings will sink into the toilet...

Most of the country is not as extreme as Obama's kool-aid drinkers.

Classic...

I would have thought about going to this if it wasn't run by Right-wing Nut cases. While I agree some of the tax money is being spent on stupid things, you act like its only the Democrats that do such things. What a crock of shit. Think of the Millions that were lost in Iraq by greedy people. Not the entire war its self, but the money a lot of people ran away with.

To be so Ignorant and try and preach b/s, you give Republicans a bad name. And to say "Not all opinions are equal" is exactly right. Take a good look in the mirror.

[HtownWxBoy]

TAX DAY TEA PARTY

April 15 Wednesday 4 p.m. lasting indefinitely

Jones Plaza

[Chuck Newton]

Nobody wants to silence you. We do want you to be civil and considerate, which you are obviously not. Not everybody disagrees with your underlying premise or argument. Proving yourself as somebody that only your mother could love is not the way to go about extending your message. It is always a shame when the messenger does such harm to the message they are trying to promote. Do not walk into somebody's home uninvited and call people names. Do not go out of your way to bring shame to your cause. You will win over more people if you are somebody people can respect. Your comments do not leave a lot to respect.

[gwilson]

Not sure the original post was made in the best way, but the cause is sound.

The idea that increasing taxes on those who already carry the lions share of the tax load is about as idiotic as you can get. CUTTING spending is the only logical option. Let the markets manage themselves, as they were designed to do. Not every business is meant to succeed indefinitely. Sure, letting the likes of AIG fail suck in the short term, but artificially propping them up makes no sense in the long term. In fact, it can be argued that allowing the markets to work naturally would cause economic growth in the long term.

We are all frogs in a pot of water, and they are slowly turning up the heat. Too bad most people will never notice until we're boiling. Then they will ask why someone didn't stop the government from grossly overstepping its bounds (have those in power now not ever read the Constitution?!).

[memebag]

Let the markets manage themselves, as they were designed to do.

We aren't allowed to say that anymore. We tried that, and it turns out markets manage themselves into oblivion. Businesses buy up competitors, grow too big to fail, then get rescued with tax money and impose the worst aspects of command economies on those tax payers. As soon as that money was transferred, all of the old capitalist dogma lost all credibility.

[Subdude]

Note duplicate topics merged.

[RedScare]

Funny, how come there were no "tea parties" when "Absolute Failure of a President" Bush was in office spending lots of money. It's hard to take these people seriously when they don't stand up for the beliefs when a right-wing country hick is in office.

Perhaps because the "tea partiers" liked it better when they were being openly lied to under the previous administration. In an attempt to gain support for his war, Bush refused to include war funding in his budget. Therefore, his budgets appeared smaller than they really were. His budgets did not include the $190 Billion for costs of running the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, despite the full knowledge that the wars were ongoing and not projected to end during the budgetary year. Instead, Bush would simply ask for a 'special appropriation' for war spending. Why? Bush knew that his $3.1 Trillion budget number would be repeated often, with most people forgetting that it did not include the $190 Billion war appropriation. Therefore, Bush's $3.29 Trillion budget magically becomes $3.1 Trillion, even though it never was $3.1 Trillion.

In contrast, the current administration promised to eliminate the budget gimmicks. The $3.5 Trillion budget includes war spending. No special appropriations are planned.So, the true $3.5 Trillion budget represents a 6.3% increase over Bush's $3.29 Trillion ($3.1 Trillion + $190 Billion) budget. Coincidentally, this represents a smaller increase than Bush's last budgets. Bush's last budget of $3.29 Trillion was 8.2% larger than his previous budget ($2.9 Trillion + $140 Billion = $3.04 Trillion).

So, what does a president receive for being honest with taxpayers? He gets protests by people who intentionally ignored the true numbers, and manufactured and misplaced outrage at the current government, when they know full well that it was the previous government and its wealthy supporters that created the quagmire that we are in. They cover up their intentional dushonesty by using words and phrases like "socialism" and "out of control", neither explaining what they mean, nor how the governments policies fit the words and phrases. But, not to worry. Whereas successful protesters make it clear who the enemy is, and work to include ALL of the aggrieved citizens in its protest, this current group...as evidenced by the original poster's remarks...seeks to blame not only the government, but everyone who voted for, approves of or even listened to the current president. They seek to make their group as small as possible, only including the most committed of protesters. In so doing, they ensure that their next protest will likely be as insignificant as their last one.

I really wish this was a real protest, as opposed to a membership drive for the GOP. I've stated often that I love a good protest. It signifies an engaged populace. Vocal and organized protests shine a bright light on the government, forcing it to be open and honest in its dealings with the citizenry. Unfortunately, this protest is more dishonest and vague in its goals than the government that it opposes. For it to succeed would be a return to the same policies that got us in this mess in the first place.

[HtownWxBoy]

Perhaps because the "tea partiers" liked it better when they were being openly lied to under the previous administration. In an attempt to gain support for his war, Bush refused to include war funding in his budget. Therefore, his budgets appeared smaller than they really were. His budgets did not include the $190 Billion for costs of running the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, despite the full knowledge that the wars were ongoing and not projected to end during the budgetary year. Instead, Bush would simply ask for a 'special appropriation' for war spending. Why? Bush knew that his $3.1 Trillion budget number would be repeated often, with most people forgetting that it did not include the $190 Billion war appropriation. Therefore, Bush's $3.29 Trillion budget magically becomes $3.1 Trillion, even though it never was $3.1 Trillion.

In contrast, the current administration promised to eliminate the budget gimmicks. The $3.5 Trillion budget includes war spending. No special appropriations are planned.So, the true $3.5 Trillion budget represents a 6.3% increase over Bush's $3.29 Trillion ($3.1 Trillion + $190 Billion) budget. Coincidentally, this represents a smaller increase than Bush's last budgets. Bush's last budget of $3.29 Trillion was 8.2% larger than his previous budget ($2.9 Trillion + $140 Billion = $3.04 Trillion).

So, what does a president receive for being honest with taxpayers? He gets protests by people who intentionally ignored the true numbers, and manufactured and misplaced outrage at the current government, when they know full well that it was the previous government and its wealthy supporters that created the quagmire that we are in. They cover up their intentional dushonesty by using words and phrases like "socialism" and "out of control", neither explaining what they mean, nor how the governments policies fit the words and phrases. But, not to worry. Whereas successful protesters make it clear who the enemy is, and work to include ALL of the aggrieved citizens in its protest, this current group...as evidenced by the original poster's remarks...seeks to blame not only the government, but everyone who voted for, approves of or even listened to the current president. They seek to make their group as small as possible, only including the most committed of protesters. In so doing, they ensure that their next protest will likely be as insignificant as their last one.

I really wish this was a real protest, as opposed to a membership drive for the GOP. I've stated often that I love a good protest. It signifies an engaged populace. Vocal and organized protests shine a bright light on the government, forcing it to be open and honest in its dealings with the citizenry. Unfortunately, this protest is more dishonest and vague in its goals than the government that it opposes. For it to succeed would be a return to the same policies that got us in this mess in the first place.

What Bush did with respect to the budget and the war makes my blood boil. What a relief it is now that he's out and a real leader is in the Oval Office.

[Jax]

Thanks Red. My thoughts exactly.

[Jeebus]

So, what does a president receive for being honest with taxpayers? He gets protests by people who intentionally ignored the true numbers, and manufactured and misplaced outrage at the current government, when they know full well that it was the previous government and its wealthy supporters that created the quagmire that we are in. They cover up their intentional dushonesty by using words and phrases like "socialism" and "out of control", neither explaining what they mean, nor how the governments policies fit the words and phrases.

Well.. I disagree with Obama, but I won't be going to any Tea-Parties. How lame are conservatives to fall upon re-using an idea that we memorialize as revolutionary, when those who committed the act only thought it as necessary.

I disagree with all this spending, and I disagree with the idea that it's all Bush's fault. Liberals are just as guilty as the conservatives they blame when they use that argument.

I disagree with so many things, but won't be at any Tea-Parties. If conservatives want results, they need to learn from the lessons of their counterpart liberals failed protests of the past, and instead focus on the real mountain movers - their elected officials.

[gwilson]

We aren't allowed to say that anymore. We tried that, and it turns out markets manage themselves into oblivion. Businesses buy up competitors, grow too big to fail, then get rescued with tax money and impose the worst aspects of command economies on those tax payers. As soon as that money was transferred, all of the old capitalist dogma lost all credibility.

People seem incapable of seeing the glaring similarities between this and the Soviet brand of socialism.

*sigh*

[Jax]

People seem incapable of seeing the glaring similarities between this and the Soviet brand of socialism.

*sigh*

Nobody is seriously talking about disbanding the entire capitalist system. People are however talking about doing a better job of regulating it. Why is it whenever anybody talks about regulations and oversight, some conservative brings up the Soviet Union?

There's a lot of grey area between complete capitalist anarchy and complete totalitarian communism. It's not like you have to chose between one extreme or the other.

I think one of the biggest flaws with the current Conservative movement in the United States is this idea that if it's not exactly the way Reagan or the Bushes did it, then it must be Soviet Communism / Socialism. Most of us however are beyond McCarthyism.

[crunchtastic]

Why is it whenever anybody talks about regulations and oversight, some conservative brings up the Soviet Union?

How the words 'socialism' and 'communism' are on the lips of every moron in the land just amazes me. The average American does not know the three branches of government, and can't locate Russia on a map, but yet they magically understand 20th century international political history and comparative economies? Pardon me while I LOL.

As far as the tea party thing goes, they need another name. It is offensive to those who actually care about American history, and lazy on top of that. Be original! We could start a brainstorming session right here on HAIF for a new name.