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Why are liquor stores and bars near schools objectionable?

they want to try and minimize interaction...liquor stores/bars and schools/churches etc.....but of course rules will be bent when "encouraged." this reminds me of enron field and annunciation...the way they measured the distance was so kluged that it was ludicrous.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metrop...an/6325846.html

Suit claims Spec’s liquor store too close to school

By MIKE TOLSON Copyright 2009 HOUSTON CHRONICLE

March 20, 2009, 9:11PM

The Harris County Attorney’s office Friday filed suit against alcohol retailer Spec’s in an attempt to shut down one of its Houston locations that the county claims is too close to a school.

The Spec’s store at 6010 Washington violates a city ordinance by selling liquor, beer and wine within 1,000 feet of Memorial Elementary School, alleges the lawsuit, which also requests a temporary injunction to stop alcohol sales.

“The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has asked them to give their certificate back,” said Marc Hill, an assistant county attorney. “It may have been something that slipped through the cracks. The TABC was very pleased for us to prosecute this. We’re taking it seriously and we’re enforcing it. We want to shut ’em down.”

Exemption doesn’t apply

The suit claims that a Houston city official “erroneously certified that the requested license and permit did not violate Houston city ordinances.”

Hill said whoever approved it may have mistakenly thought the store sold more food than alcohol, which would exempt it from the regulation. The permit was granted in February 2008.

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Google Map shows over .2 miles (1056 feet) between the two addresses. Google maps might be referencing the middle entrance to the school rather than the eastern edge of the school property, but it still seems like Harris County should use some common sense on this one. They're several blocks away, and they are at least close to being 1000 feet apart. The county approved it, but now they want Spec's to bear the expense of their mistake.

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I think I support the 1000 feet rule. At the same time it seems if the county approves something they should not be able to go back on it. At the least they should reimburse the owner for any losses from the mistake (maybe advertising, and if they have to throw away the alcohol if they reverse the rule)

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Wow, talk about getting screwed over by the city. It's not like the school was just built either, so why did the city grant the liquor license in the first place? Sounds like Specs is going to have to spend a lot of money to keep that location open. Great place too...

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All ursine jokes aside, I think there is a worry that liquor stores attract a less desirable type of clientele - drunks and violent criminals - and thus they might want to keep those customers away from kids. Same thing for strip clubs.

I am sure also, that many of these laws come from a time when lawmakers were worried about "corrupting" children as well, although I think that line of reason has diminished quite a bit over the years.

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Maybe if Spec's really is 1,056 feet away from the school it can move all the liquor to one side of the store and the deli to the side near the school.

I wonder if the urge to pass laws keeping bars and liquor stores away from schools comes from people who live suburban lifestyles.

When I was growing up, there was a bar on every corner. My grandmother would send me down to the corner bar to play video games. It was no big deal. There was a bar across the street from the church and the school. Liquor stores were part of the neighborhood fabric. Not to the extent they are in Britain, but it was not unusual to stop by the bar to pick up milk on the way home.

Now that we're two or three generations removed from urban living (and even more in Houston), it seems like people are trying to replicate the neat suburban boxes in an urban setting. In the suburbs you have one place where people live, and another place where they shop, and another place where they drink. It's like that model is being imposed on the urban core for some reason. I suspect in this case, it's because the rules are made on a county level and I doubt anyone making those rules lives in 77002.

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We had a Bass brewery next door to our school. The mash used to stink when we walked up the driveway in the morning. Put me off Bass for life.

I take it you aren't pining for a great glass of bass? The Dan Akroyd kind?

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I would be more worried about the bums hanging out at the corner gas station than the typical inner loop Spec's customer.

Add to that, freeway underpasses, midtown, grocery stores, bus stops, bus stations, downtown parking lots near MMP during a game, downtown parking lots near bars/eateries at night, public parks, half price book stores, and high schools.

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Add to that, freeway underpasses, midtown, grocery stores, bus stops, bus stations, downtown parking lots near MMP during a game, downtown parking lots near bars/eateries at night, public parks, half price book stores, and high schools.

They are not thinking logical, and just trying to cover a mistake, that is now a huge media mess.

I agree, they are other dangers worse than a liquor store.

Busy streets and lack of sidewalks to add to that.

Maybe if Spec's really is 1,056 feet away from the school it can move all the liquor to one side of the store and the deli to the side near the school.

Can't they just relocate the entrance to the store, or is it the physical location of the liquor within it?

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Can't they just relocate the entrance to the store, or is it the physical location of the liquor within it?

The law is based on distance from front door to front door, as it was explained to me "as the crow flies."

When it comes down to it, businesses of all kind must obtain permits before opening. When that permitting process is complete, it means they have permission to operate at that location. Let's face it, the city and TABC both screwed up here, and the Spec's crew shouldn't be punished for it. Obviously someone in the permit department did not do their job.

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