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Sorry for my multiple posts! The post hadn't appeared to go through, and I tried a few times. Anyhow, there's only two deferrals allowed for items, so they likely just didn't resubmit the item or had it removed before subsequent agendas. 

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So we've got the gawdawful suburban-sprawl style apartment complex going up right next to downtown? Oh, joy. I suppose I should be grateful that it's not going to be something that will block my view of the downtown skyline, but what happened to mixed use? I guess at this point we can only hope that it's going to be a trigger for the REST of the open space to get developed into retail and office space.

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On ‎11‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 1:24 PM, Kinglyam said:

So we've got the gawdawful suburban-sprawl style apartment complex going up right next to downtown? Oh, joy. I suppose I should be grateful that it's not going to be something that will block my view of the downtown skyline, but what happened to mixed use? I guess at this point we can only hope that it's going to be a trigger for the REST of the open space to get developed into retail and office space.

How long is the freeway construction project around Downtown supposed to take? Considering this property will be directly next to that several years long construction project, the fact that anything is being built at this time is rather amazing.

 

A suburban style apartment complex won't last very long--look at the Buffalo Heights property on Washington. Those apartments weren't very old before beginning the process of upgrading to a higher use.

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1 hour ago, Sparrow said:

How long is the freeway construction project around Downtown supposed to take? Considering this property will be directly next to that several years long construction project, the fact that anything is being built at this time is rather amazing.

 

A suburban style apartment complex won't last very long--look at the Buffalo Heights property on Washington. Those apartments weren't very old before beginning the process of upgrading to a higher use.

 

At this point, it's more of a question of when it will happen. Probably not for at least another decade, maybe longer (or never). Funding hasn't even been requested, much less authorized, and it's one of the last phases planned. I'd imagine that would take a good 4 - 5 years to complete.

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8 hours ago, Kinglyam said:

 

At this point, it's more of a question of when it will happen. Probably not for at least another decade, maybe longer (or never). Funding hasn't even been requested, much less authorized, and it's one of the last phases planned. I'd imagine that would take a good 4 - 5 years to complete.

 

I think this segment (Segment 3) is funded. Construction is expected to start on the south end of segment 3 in late Spring 2020, IIRC, and all of Segment 3 is expected to be completed in 7-8 years (starting from late Spring 2020).https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59825dc16b8f5bdb6eb02f9e/t/5a62351ef9619a7cc84a7736/1516385571796/TAG+MotionMAP+brochure_2018_FINAL_1.12.18.pdf

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1 hour ago, Houston19514 said:

 

I think this segment (Segment 3) is funded. Constructed is expected to start on the south end of segment 3 in late Spring 2020, IIRC, and all of Segment 3 is expected to be completed in 7-8 years (starting from late Spring 2020).https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59825dc16b8f5bdb6eb02f9e/t/5a62351ef9619a7cc84a7736/1516385571796/TAG+MotionMAP+brochure_2018_FINAL_1.12.18.pdf

Hmmm... that's news to me and my area. I'll have to discuss this with the Superneighborhood... when did this get funded? Not saying it's wrong.. just surprised if true.

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4 minutes ago, southerncrj said:

Hey everyone, this is my first post, although I have been following the forum for a while. 

 

I do not think it has been posted,  but it seems Hardy Yards got its official website and Facebook page up:
https://www.hardyyardsliving.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Apartment---Condo-Building/Hardy-Yards-Apartment-Homes-570592853358049/

 

Thanks southerncrj---and welcome! 👋

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16 hours ago, southerncrj said:

Hey everyone, this is my first post, although I have been following the forum for a while. 

 

I do not think it has been posted,  but it seems Hardy Yards got its official website and Facebook page up:
https://www.hardyyardsliving.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Apartment---Condo-Building/Hardy-Yards-Apartment-Homes-570592853358049/

 

Good find. Didn't think they had a website up yet. Even though the overall look of this building isn't my cup of tea, in that rendering it actually looks pretty good.

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I do like how they tried to take advantage of the obnoxiously tall parking garage by putting common areas there

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 Was passing by on the light rail just before Christmas and the top of the clock tower was done.

 

I'm not fully convinced yet. Looks a bit strange. Like an apartment complex with a clock tower stuck on the corner. 

 

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From the image above, this looks like a development, out on whats left, of the Katy Prairie.

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5 minutes ago, Urbannizer said:

@Triton should work now

 

Thanks. I think this is the first plat I've seen that actually has Fulton Street now going past Leona Street. City must have secured the ROW.

 

Hmmm... perhaps I am wrong.

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10 hours ago, Triton said:

The lit up clock tower looks really amazing, especially with the city skyline in the background. I'll have to wait until my next camera comes in until I get good night shots again... Here's what I got for now:

 

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Hardy Yards Downtown Houston at Night by Marc longoria, on Flickr

I'm loving the contrast and all the colors added to downtown's night skyline, and very visible, even from this distance.  Thanks for the cool photo !

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3 hours ago, Kinglyam said:

 

This is the empty lot next to the rail? It's ANOTHER wrap apartment. This isn't leaving a lot of room for mixed use, is it?

 

https://nrpconstruction.com/Home/ProjectDetail/8a561061-bd04-487f-a9dd-98e788273cda

 

That one looks like it will butt up against Residences at Hardy Yards (separated by the access road off Leona) and run all the way to Fulton.

I don't see any GFR and there is quite a lot of ground level parking... but there's still a lot of the site left for retail and/or office, and perhaps they're waiting for the beds to fill up before starting on those components?

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On 9/4/2019 at 2:08 PM, phillip_white said:

 

That one looks like it will butt up against Residences at Hardy Yards (separated by the access road off Leona) and run all the way to Fulton.

I don't see any GFR and there is quite a lot of ground level parking... but there's still a lot of the site left for retail and/or office, and perhaps they're waiting for the beds to fill up before starting on those components?

 

Yeah, that's my thought. Between this and the apartments they're doing closer to the light rail station, I assume they're relying on the still-strong rental market to get the population density that would be a draw for retail tenents. They're down to only the two blocks between Leona and Burnett, though. That's about what, 14 acres?

 

There's still a lot of retail opportunity in non-Hardy Yards property along Burnett. The old warehouse complex across Leona on Hardy is now for sale, I notice. Assuming CitiQuest doesn't snap it up for more townhomes like they've done half that area, that is!

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Some of those folks are going to have a great nighttime view of the skyline. Same for the apartments going up on the east side of 288. a little scotch, music, and great view.

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And it's all in the process of being developed. Going to get very busy there over the next couple of years. I saw surveyors out apparently laying out the garden-style apartment complex that's going up nearest the rail line, and I saw they've put out the bids to start the foundation work on the wrap next to the Residences. Plus someone apparently just put in a replat to turn all of those blue-ish sheet-metal warehouses I mentioned a few posts ago into yet more townhomes.

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Really hope we get the Fulton/San Jacinto connection sooner rather than later but chances are it won't happen until the I-45 project starts in this area.

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Someone on /r/Houston posted about some construction has started at Hardy Yards this week.

 

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I drive by this area every day, and I noticed last week they've chained off the area by the hardy yards apartments and they've broken ground. Does anyone know anything about what they're building there?

 

I'm guessing it's the Red Line apartments that were platted earlier this year? 

On 10/21/2019 at 4:02 PM, Triton said:

Really hope we get the Fulton/San Jacinto connection sooner rather than later but chances are it won't happen until the I-45 project starts in this area.

 

Is that actually going to happen? I just assume that anything that goes over or through a rail isn't going to happen unless there is big money involved, and that would be a city project unless it was rolled into NHHIP. 

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2 minutes ago, wilcal said:

Someone on /r/Houston posted about some construction has started at Hardy Yards this week.

 

 

I'm guessing it's the Red Line apartments that were platted earlier this year? 

 

Is that actually going to happen? I just assume that anything that goes over or through a rail isn't going to happen unless there is big money involved, and that would be a city project unless it was rolled into NHHIP. 

 

Yep, Red Line, the wrap apartments that Urbannizer posted back in March. 

 

I'm with you on the Fulton Street connection. If they did it, it would probably have to be an at-grade crossing. It's not part of the I-45 project (which I hope somehow still gets killed), and I see no sign that the City is particularly interested in it.

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4 hours ago, wilcal said:

Is that actually going to happen? I just assume that anything that goes over or through a rail isn't going to happen unless there is big money involved, and that would be a city project unless it was rolled into NHHIP. 

 

The latest plan I had seen from the city, because they needed to coordinate with TXDOT for the I-45 realignment, was to go below grade with the Fulton connection.

 

It looked like it has a somewhat steep grade going down and up, similar to Navigation Blvd rising up/coming down under Commerce St. In the last meeting I attended, the issue that they faced was that Fulton would also travel below the northside (west bound) feeder so they were trying to figure out how they could have at-grade ramps going to and coming from the northside feeder over to Fulton with the ROW that is there. 

 

Based on the last meeting, this connection is definitely presenting some challenges.

 

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39 minutes ago, Triton said:

 

The latest plan I had seen from the city, because they needed to coordinate with TXDOT for the I-45 realignment, was to go below grade with the Fulton connection.

 

It looked like it has a somewhat steep grade going down and up, similar to Navigation Blvd rising up/coming down under Commerce St. In the last meeting I attended, the issue that they faced was that Fulton would also travel below the northside (west bound) feeder so they were trying to figure out how they could have at-grade ramps going to and coming from the northside feeder over to Fulton with the ROW that is there. 

 

Based on the last meeting, this connection is definitely presenting some challenges.

 

Yeah, ouch. 

 

Also, wow @ the highway expanding all of the way to the railroad tracks. That's like 3X wider than it is currently right there. Really gives some scale. 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, wilcal said:

 

Yeah, ouch. 

 

Also, wow @ the highway expanding all of the way to the railroad tracks. That's like 3X wider than it is currently right there. Really gives some scale. 

 

 

 While I'm sure it's widening (I don't remember the dimensions and am too lazy to look), I'm pretty sure it's not 3x wider. It's just being moved closer to the residential area because some traffic design software somewhere said eliminating the curve would reduce travel times by 0.5 seconds or something...

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40 minutes ago, Kinglyam said:

 While I'm sure it's widening (I don't remember the dimensions and am too lazy to look), I'm pretty sure it's not 3x wider. It's just being moved closer to the residential area because some traffic design software somewhere said eliminating the curve would reduce travel times by 0.5 seconds or something...

 

I am fully aware of how completely unscientific this is, but based on that rendering of it stretching all of the way to the railroad tracks...

 

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Dang, you're going to make me do some actual research, aren't you? Here's a screencap from the project's interactive map showing that area. You can see it's nowhere near extending that whole width, nor does it go as close to the Residences as you're showing. The map's measuring tool says the existing freeway is about 250 ft wide, and the new one is about 450 at the widest. So not quite double, which makes sense for cramming two interstates together.

 

 

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Ahhh, I didn't realize that it would be shifting over. Just assumed it would be stretching wider.

 

Thanks for the actual research.

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3 hours ago, Kinglyam said:

Dang, you're going to make me do some actual research, aren't you? Here's a screencap from the project's interactive map showing that area. You can see it's nowhere near extending that whole width, nor does it go as close to the Residences as you're showing. The map's measuring tool says the existing freeway is about 250 ft wide, and the new one is about 450 at the widest. So not quite double, which makes sense for cramming two interstates together.

 

 

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This realignment is terrible for the area and I hope this portion gets changed (but, I’m not holding out too much hope). I live just north of here and feel this is not only not justified and a giant waste of taxpayer money, it’s also a social justice issue. Give more land to freeways, suburban commuters, and the rich people downtown by taking away land closer to us brown and black folks. This is a shameful project, especially in 2019 and especially in a city that supposedly prides itself on equality and diversity. 

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What's wrong with this section in particular?  It looks to me to be going through parking lots and "Acre in a Box - Houston's first urban based hydroponic farm".  I understand it's pertty bad elsewhere - especially demolishing Clayton homes - but what is wrong with this segment?

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44 minutes ago, cspwal said:

What's wrong with this section in particular?  It looks to me to be going through parking lots and "Acre in a Box - Houston's first urban based hydroponic farm".  I understand it's pertty bad elsewhere - especially demolishing Clayton homes - but what is wrong with this segment?

Let me ask you. If you lived 2 blocks from a freeway and learned the freeway were going to be brought one block closer to your house, would you care? 

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51 minutes ago, cspwal said:

What's wrong with this section in particular?  It looks to me to be going through parking lots and "Acre in a Box - Houston's first urban based hydroponic farm".  I understand it's pertty bad elsewhere - especially demolishing Clayton homes - but what is wrong with this segment?

 

Not only is it moving hundreds of feet farther north towards the residential areas, it's moving UP. It has to cross the light rail, which already has to cross the UPRR rail line. The cross-section shows I-10/I-45 is something like 120 feet in the air here. So, nothing to absorb or deflect sound away. Not to mention this area currently has a great downtown view that's going to be a selling point for the apartments they're building right now. But how much value are those apartments (and then, the rest of Hardy Yards) going to have when they are literally in the shadow of a major freeway?

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