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2 hours ago, ekdrm2d1 said:

Already a rant on SSP.

Yep I saw it ūüė≠ūüė≠ūüė≠

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And these are just random internet forums discussing architecture and development. Wait until this gets on the local news. I'm calling it now. (again, unfortunately). It doesn't matter for some folks that this isn't in the suburbs... as soon as they see the words "Shia", some will think this is an invasion and I am speaking from personal experience... I admittedly have people within my own family **distant that is** that will no doubt in my mind be absolutely appalled that something this close will be built near downtown, especially since they already complain about the Islamic Da'wah Center of Houston in downtown. And I'm not saying all of this to stir controversy on this forum, I just really worry that something architecturally and culturally significant might be prevented from being built because of a few loud ignorant voices in an ever growing diverse city.

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8 hours ago, wilcal said:

 

Hopefully, they'll be limited to the suburbs?

 

But yeah, definitely my initial thoughts¬†ūüėē

lol no way. If this was in Katy the yeah. 

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7 minutes ago, Triton said:

And these are just random internet forums discussing architecture and development. Wait until this gets on the local news. I'm calling it now. (again, unfortunately). It doesn't matter for some folks that this isn't in the suburbs... as soon as they see the words "Shia", some will think this is an invasion and I am speaking from personal experience... I admittedly have people within my own family **distant that is** that will no doubt in my mind be absolutely appalled that something this close will be built near downtown, especially since they already complain about the Islamic Da'wah Center of Houston in downtown. And I'm not saying all of this to stir controversy on this forum, I just really worry that something architecturally and culturally significant might be prevented from being built because of a few loud ignorant voices in an ever growing diverse city.

 

There may be some outcry but i don’t think protesters will have any substantial ground to stop this. At most neighboring residents may sue and hold it up in court by arguing traffic will be an issue.

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I think a cemetery lies across the street, and I doubt they'll be making any noise.

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The answer to your question, SSP

is "SkyscraperPage.com"check it

out, it's a pretty good 

forum.

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20 hours ago, Triton said:

 

Could you imagine something like this when driving down Montrose? I'm excited now.

 

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..or this...

 

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I will readily admit that I don’t have any creative vision.

 

that said, both of these buildings are, to me, ugly. ¬†And, the one with the yellow ‚Äúcranes‚ÄĚ on the top is beyond ugly, it‚Äôs hideous. ¬†Between the Fed Reserve building and this, Allen Parkway with be quite ‚Äúinteresting‚ÄĚ.

 

others mileage will vary.

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36 minutes ago, UtterlyUrban said:

I will readily admit that I don’t have any creative vision.

 

that said, both of these buildings are, to me, ugly. ¬†And, the one with the yellow ‚Äúcranes‚ÄĚ on the top is beyond ugly, it‚Äôs hideous. ¬†Between the Fed Reserve building and this, Allen Parkway with be quite ‚Äúinteresting‚ÄĚ.

 

others mileage will vary.


I may be wrong but the "yellow cranes" in the back of the second picture is a separate building. I think that is a football (soccer) stadium). The angle makes them look like one structure.

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47 minutes ago, thatguysly said:


I may be wrong but the "yellow cranes" in the back of the second picture is a separate building. I think that is a football (soccer) stadium). The angle makes them look like one structure.

Correct. The ‚Äúyellow cranes‚ÄĚ are part of the O2 Arena, which is used as a concert venue, among other things.

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I just can't believe the shortlist for this project:

 

Rem Koolhaas

Studio Gang

David Chipperfield

Farshid Moussavi

 

The selection was for Farshid Moussavi. Don't actually know this persons work, though I have heard the name before. I do know this person is an up and comer. Essentially they went with a more daring unproven choice which is interesting, but then again this organization really likes their buildings to pop. Even if they went with the "safe choice" it would have been stellar. I mean Rem is Rem. Studio Gang is one of the best firms working in the US. David Chipperfield is one of the biggest in London and Berlin. He also did the Menil Master Plan. Was originally going to do the Drawing Institute.

 

Now we wait for the first visuals.

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21 hours ago, bobruss said:

I have proposed a special Calatrava bridge at Montrose and an observation tower(Claus Oldenberg Flashlight) with its beam of light shining into space, to  tie Houston to the space exploration.

 

Fantastic idea on the tower!

 

Let's find someone besides Calatrava . . .

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1 hour ago, Luminare said:

I just can't believe the shortlist for this project:

 

Rem Koolhaas

Studio Gang

David Chipperfield

Farshid Moussavi

 

The selection was for Farshid Moussavi. Don't actually know this persons work, though I have heard the name before. I do know this person is an up and comer. Essentially they went with a more daring unproven choice which is interesting, but then again this organization really likes their buildings to pop. Even if they went with the "safe choice" it would have been stellar. I mean Rem is Rem. Studio Gang is one of the best firms working in the US. David Chipperfield is one of the biggest in London and Berlin. He also did the Menil Master Plan. Was originally going to do the Drawing Institute.

 

Now we wait for the first visuals.

Studio Gang's proposal for Tour Montparnasse is an extremely interesting proposal and a beautiful tower. They have done some really exciting new work.

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5 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

This will be another masterpiece for Houston. 

Do we already have a ‚Äúmasterpiece‚ÄĚ in Houston? ¬†It‚Äôs a subjective question, I know, but I would argue No.

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Williams Tower may not fit your definition of a "masterpiece", but does fit mine. It is easily one of the most recognizable buildings in the Houston landscape, as it clearly defines the part of town that it resides in. It also sets Houston apart from other major cities, allowing us to boast of its dominance in the category of 'Largest Building outside of a CBD in the US', and makes the city easily distinguishable from other cities from a photo. I could also add the Bank of America building as it also makes the Houston skyline easily recognizable.

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Frank Lloyd Wright would agree with TBooze on the Williams Tower. The Gulf Building is awesome. The Esperson complex is my personal favorite. But if I were going to vote for a "masterpiece" ("masterpiece" being one of those words that invites skepticism) I'd say the Penzoil Place. 

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Houston is still missing our Eiffel tower, Big Ben, Statue of Liberty, Burj al Arab, Space Needle. We have some amazing works here in Houston but nothing in my opinion that is truly globally recognizable like the structures I previously mentioned. I'm not saying this building will be that but it definitely has potential. 

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We don’t need or have a specific structure. We have the space shuttle or an old school oil rig as our identity. 

 

I’m sure something nice will end up here.  

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On 2/7/2019 at 8:06 AM, houstontexasjack said:

Correct. The ‚Äúyellow cranes‚ÄĚ are part of the O2 Arena, which is used as a concert venue, among other things.

The towers and dome are the external features of the Millennium Dome, built as part of the Y2K celebrations. It's 1200 feet in diameter and 160 feet high. The arena is a part of the internal use of the structure.

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Heres a good article on the project over at Architects Newspaper (a pretty good site overall btw):

 

https://archpaper.com/2019/02/farshid-moussavi-design-first-ismaili-cultural-center-united-states/

 

Link from the same publication which shows more info about Nelson Byrd Woltz, the landscape architect involved who is also another big time architect, and connections to other high profile projects:

 

https://archpaper.com/tag/nelson-byrd-woltz-landscape-architect/

 

The architect of record will be DLR Group which is pretty big firm, and the partner firm for this project. They are pretty competent.

 

This will be Farshid's second project in the US and the first project for Aga Khan in the US. In particular I really like this snippet "While preliminary renderings for the center have not been released, a spokesperson for the Ismaili Council¬†told the¬†Houston Chronicle¬†that¬†the Center ‚Äúshould be distinctly American and Texan in its approach, but expressive of Houston‚Äôs diverse cultures.‚Ä̬†¬†This in combination with Islamic geometric motifs should be really interesting!

 

Example projects they give in the article:

 

Yokohama International Port Terminal

 

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Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland

 

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Firms website:

 

https://www.farshidmoussavi.com/

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm not getting my hopes¬†up considering this thread started in 2008... ūüėĀ

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It looks like there's a wonderful amount of gardens and walkways in that project which makes me even more excited about this project. With a sloping lot towards the bayou I can only imagine the opportunities for water features, pavilions and landscaping which plays such an important role in an Aga Khan center. I also saw this last week and meant to mention. Thanks for posting because I think it makes us more aware of the plethora of possibilities that lie ahead. I can't wait to see the plans when they are presented.Hopefully we'll be seeing something in the next few months.

With this and the Houston Endowment project just across the bayou, and the Michael Graves Federal Reserve Bldg. next to the proposed Gillete project this will make a beautiful drive even that much more exciting.  

 

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11 hours ago, bobruss said:

It looks like there's a wonderful amount of gardens and walkways in that project which makes me even more excited about this project. With a sloping lot towards the bayou I can only imagine the opportunities for water features, pavilions and landscaping which plays such an important role in an Aga Khan center. I also saw this last week and meant to mention. Thanks for posting because I think it makes us more aware of the plethora of possibilities that lie ahead. I can't wait to see the plans when they are presented.Hopefully we'll be seeing something in the next few months.

With this and the Houston Endowment project just across the bayou, and the Michael Graves Federal Reserve Bldg. next to the proposed Gillete project this will make a beautiful drive even that much more exciting.  

 

 

And with this being their only US project they will be throwing down some cash. Its also a really good crew to bring forth a very refined project. The only question now is how will they position things on the site. My thinking is that they will place the garden more towards the bayou and then the actual center will be closer to the intersection of W Dallas and Montrose. Would be a really nice grand entrance and would be the most natural progression from Bayou to Park to Building, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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I would think given this properties proximity to the bayou and the number of times it has gone under water, that they will agree,  that the only safe plan is to position the actual center on the high ground half of the tract closer to W. Dallas and design the gardens and trails and water features similarly to what the Bayou project has done knowing all well the waters will rise. 

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