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actually fedoras and pork pies are trendy again. I saw a lot at a couple of mall stores. Journeys, and that other one with the skate/surf themed merch. Hot Tropix? They all look alike to me.

I just want a good old man hat since I feel old now. Bear Bryant style but nothing to do with bama.

How do yall not know what Lids is.....? They are in just about every mall. I buy all my hats from there.

Because I don't hang out in malls. And usually hats come to me for free. I think I bought one when I was 12.

I saw a man today downtown at lunch wearing an old time men's dress hat. I thought it was pretty cool looking.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Cool old man. Poncho or trench coat?

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actually fedoras and pork pies are trendy again. I saw a lot at a couple of mall stores. Journeys, and that other one with the skate/surf themed merch. Hot Tropix? They all look alike to me.

Are they? Is that among "young urban hipsters"? And here I had no idea.

I'm a toque kind of guy myself.

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It's funny, because when you go abroad you can of course identify other Americans by how they dress, and the baseball cap is always the surefire giveaway. It's practically the national costume.

hmmm, that's a funny observation. I never thought about that.

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It's funny, because when you go abroad you can of course identify other Americans by how they dress, and the baseball cap is always the surefire giveaway. It's practically the national costume.

Yes, and tennis shoes too! I've actually noticed more younger kids wearing baseball style hats in Europe over the last few years. The U.S. urban ghetto culture is even snaking its way in with more kids wearing baggy pants, etc. What a ridiculous look!

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Are they? Is that among "young urban hipsters"? And here I had no idea.

I'm a toque kind of guy myself.

Ah, yes. Mainly the kind of guys who wear skinny jeans. They're everywhere now, little anorexic 20-something guys with skinny jeans and jaunty hats, waxed eyebrows and very tight t-shirts.

If you're a toque guy, then kindly get yourself to my kitchen. I'm tired of cooking. :)

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Ah, yes. Mainly the kind of guys who wear skinny jeans. They're everywhere now, little anorexic 20-something guys with skinny jeans and jaunty hats, waxed eyebrows and very tight t-shirts.

If you're a toque guy, then kindly get yourself to my kitchen. I'm tired of cooking. :)

...or at least start wearing a pancho to hide your skinniness. :lol:

Why has Beyonce' cancelled the Ike benefit show at HOB? I think it was scheduled for Tue. or Wed.

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Well, I hope HP has gathered some steam by March 30th. My wife bought 2 tickets to Britney Spears :mellow: , and is expecting me to go with her to HP first for dinner, before walking to Toyota Center for the concert!

Oooh, bring your own fake headset and you can sing-along to the recording with her! Yeah, poor Jeebus.

I've never had a issue with McCormick & Schmick food so at least if you go there the pregame will be good. $1.95 bacon cheeseburger if you go during happy hour! (and eat in the bar area, assuming this one is like most others)

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Well, I hope HP has gathered some steam by March 30th. My wife bought 2 tickets to Britney Spears :mellow:, and is expecting me to go with her to HP first for dinner, before walking to Toyota Center for the concert!

I would drink heartily during dinner to help mellow the pain of a Britney Spears concert ^_^

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Good lord. I do hope dinner will at least make up for it. Britney pre-life falling apart I could probably go watch. Current Britney that dances around like a confused, slightly intoxicated, and poorly trained circus bear I'm not looking forward to.

I hope I can find some of those $1.25 cheeseburgers!

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I visited this place several weeks ago. I was utterly amazed by the beautiful 70s-style paint job, and desolate nature at best. The only thing I remember was a gigantic, ghost town like bookstore and LIDS. Other than that it looked it had been abandoned for years, with a paint job to set an outdated mood. Oh, and it smelled like pee. Shockingly, I saw no homeless people? Very queer!

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I visited this place several weeks ago. I was utterly amazed by the beautiful 70s-style paint job, and desolate nature at best. The only thing I remember was a gigantic, ghost town like bookstore and LIDS. Other than that it looked it had been abandoned for years, with a paint job to set an outdated mood. Oh, and it smelled like pee. Shockingly, I saw no homeless people? Very queer!

the painted plywood is temporary, soon to be relaced by glass retail front.... for the most part, at least.

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forgive me..............I have forgotten...........but why was the residential portion of HP cut???

If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a city requirement that parking be provided for the residential building. In any case, the developers are probably pretty happy that they didn't build it. Can you imagine trying to compete with for prices in this economy? Don't worry; there'll be plenty of downtown residential development after the economy is back in swing. The trend is moving closer to downtown, not away from it.

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Don't worry; there'll be plenty of downtown residential development after the economy is back in swing.

But will we still be alive to see it? This economy is not coming back anytime soon. It hasn't even really started to get bad yet.

We got one big downtown residential tower out of this boom. Once the construction that already has financing is over I wouldn't expect anymore for many years.

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If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a city requirement that parking be provided for the residential building. In any case, the developers are probably pretty happy that they didn't build it. Can you imagine trying to compete with for prices in this economy? Don't worry; there'll be plenty of downtown residential development after the economy is back in swing. The trend is moving closer to downtown, not away from it.

I'm sure that the developers would rather have residential than office space right now. And the parking requirement is less for residential than for office.

But as I've pointed out earlier in this thread, projects like this take so much time from conception through completion and operational stabilization that at a certain point developers just have to make an educated guess as to what will be the highest and best use, then hold their nose, close their eyes, and dive into the murky water; hopefully there are no jagged rocks just beneath the surface.

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But will we still be alive to see it? This economy is not coming back anytime soon. It hasn't even really started to get bad yet.

We got one big downtown residential tower out of this boom. Once the construction that already has financing is over I wouldn't expect anymore for many years.

blasphemy the Oman is in office now and all is candy and nuts!....you must be one of the fools still paying their mortgage and car payments and for utilities.....if you would just put your faith in the power of O then you would have so much more extra income!

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I had a chance to finally check this place out last weekend. Here's a few phone pics.

Considering that the mall has not filled most of it's spaces, I'll wait and see before judging it's success as a place.

Those walkways sure look narrow. If it ever fills up it might for some tough navigating.

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I'm in Denver interviewing for residency for the next 3 days... and I must say that the Denver Pavilions is a much better development in comparison to Houston Pavilions. Part of it has to do with the area -- the 16th St Mall where DP is located is an ideal pedestrian friendly, urban corridor. But much of it has to do with the architecture and tenants... much more open and inviting, less sterile concrete and steel.

Kind of disappointing to see what could have been. I will try to post some pictures later.

Downtown Denver is awesome, btw.

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Wow, that first pic reminds me of nothing so much as my high school. Except for the escalator. No escalator in the high school. (Also, HP is missing a big athletic field overrun by portables).

Lol, so true! That does remind me of a high school or small college building.

I'm in Denver interviewing for residency for the next 3 days... and I must say that the Denver Pavilions is a much better development in comparison to Houston Pavilions. Part of it has to do with the area -- the 16th St Mall where DP is located is an ideal pedestrian friendly, urban corridor. But much of it has to do with the architecture and tenants... much more open and inviting, less sterile concrete and steel.

Kind of disappointing to see what could have been. I will try to post some pictures later.

Downtown Denver is awesome, btw.

The Pavilions in downtown Denver is nice indeed. I stayed at a hotel right on 16th street a couple months ago. I walked right out onto the pedestrian-only corridor and found a place to eat. There are a few bums who ask for change, but the area is busy enough that the bums don't overwhelm the place.

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What Denver did right was build the retail at street level on a pedestrian only street (with the exception of a free bus that drives up and down the corridor). The stores in the Houston Pavilions seem kind of tucked away like in a typical mall, so you're not encouraged to go there unless you actually intend to shop. While on one hand I'm glad to see any retail in DT, I do think they really made a mistake in not opening it up a bit and providing a place for more than just shopping. I still think Houston needs more pedestrian-friendly places that feel public and urban rather than more private commercial places you feel trapped inside of.

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I'm in Denver interviewing for residency for the next 3 days... and I must say that the Denver Pavilions is a much better development in comparison to Houston Pavilions. Part of it has to do with the area -- the 16th St Mall where DP is located is an ideal pedestrian friendly, urban corridor. But much of it has to do with the architecture and tenants... much more open and inviting, less sterile concrete and steel.

Kind of disappointing to see what could have been. I will try to post some pictures later.

Downtown Denver is awesome, btw.

I agree with your post. I used to live in Colorado and hung out in Denver quite often. I was just there in August and I must say dwntn Houston makes dt Denver look like a mini New York in comparison. The Denver Pavilions does seem like the better development, even though Houston Pavilions is larger. Denver's smart planning with the 16th Street Mall has fostered development on adjacent streets, thus creating an atmosphere that's bustling everywhere. Houston downtown's main center of action and nightlife is around Main Street. I'm a little disappointed that HP doesn't seem to be creating the buzz that we all hoped for. The only way that will happen is if we open up more stores off Main Street! Sorry! :(

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I agree with your post. I used to live in Colorado and hung out in Denver quite often. I was just there in August and I must say dwntn Houston makes dt Denver look like a mini New York in comparison. The Denver Pavilions does seem like the better development, even though Houston Pavilions is larger. Denver's smart planning with the 16th Street Mall has fostered development on adjacent streets, thus creating an atmosphere that's bustling everywhere. Houston downtown's main center of action and nightlife is around Main Street. I'm a little disappointed that HP doesn't seem to be creating the buzz that we all hoped for. The only way that will happen is if we open up more stores off Main Street! Sorry! :(

good luck with that...

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Lol, so true! That does remind me of a high school or small college building.

The Pavilions in downtown Denver is nice indeed. I stayed at a hotel right on 16th street a couple months ago. I walked right out onto the pedestrian-only corridor and found a place to eat. There are a few bums who ask for change, but the area is busy enough that the bums don't overwhelm the place.

dense_phototour21.jpg

What Denver did right was build the retail at street level on a pedestrian only street (with the exception of a free bus that drives up and down the corridor). The stores in the Houston Pavilions seem kind of tucked away like in a typical mall, so you're not encouraged to go there unless you actually intend to shop. While on one hand I'm glad to see any retail in DT, I do think they really made a mistake in not opening it up a bit and providing a place for more than just shopping. I still think Houston needs more pedestrian-friendly places that feel public and urban rather than more private commercial places you feel trapped inside of.

??? The vast majority of the stores in Denver Pavilions are "tucked away" just as they will be in HP.

I agree with your post. I used to live in Colorado and hung out in Denver quite often. I was just there in August and I must say dwntn Houston makes dt Denver look like a mini New York in comparison. The Denver Pavilions does seem like the better development, even though Houston Pavilions is larger. Denver's smart planning with the 16th Street Mall has fostered development on adjacent streets, thus creating an atmosphere that's bustling everywhere. Houston downtown's main center of action and nightlife is around Main Street. I'm a little disappointed that HP doesn't seem to be creating the buzz that we all hoped for. The only way that will happen is if we open up more stores off Main Street! Sorry! :(

Get a grip, people. The place has been open for just over a month and a good portion of the tenants who have signed leases are not even open yet. Plus, they opened at a time when retail leasing is VERY tough.

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I agree that Denver does have a pretty hype downtown but Houston is on its way. Just allow everything to get cmoplete before judging. The nightlife scene downtown Houston is already happening and once the rest of the restaurants and bars opens, it will add to the nightlife.

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I agree, I think we need to give HP time.

I wasn't impressed with the Denver Pavilions when it opened, and frankly, I'm still not all that impressed.

However, downtown Denver has gradually gotten better and better over the years since the 16th Street Mall opened. So much so, that the DP is just another part of the whole scene, not the focal point.

My sense is that the redevelopment of the LoDo area has been the biggest positive force in downtown Denver. Unfortunately, Houston doesn't have as big a reservoir of interesting 100-year-old brick-or-stone-clad buildings downtown. Despite that, I think if we continue to get a variety of interesting redevelopments downtown -- not necessarily all big ones -- I think Houston will do well.

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I still think it was a mistake not to include the residential. Having those living directly above the site will only help keep people in downtown. I wouldn't put the economy as a factor for not building apartments...........I love the way Gables has their facility at Kirby/Westheimer...........you couldn't ask for anything better!!

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I will admit that i may be judging HP a little early. Denver did have a head start on its redevelopment in the early 90s. One thing for sure, Denver Pavilions is a small piece to what the rest of downtown has. 16th Street Mall is the busiest part to downtown.

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I will say that I went to HOB on Sunday afternoon and they had a great crowd. People need to stop being Houstonians and get positive. In a down economy this thing is so far holding it's own and probably 10% of the entire thing is open. Once Lucky Strike's opens, you will see an entire different crowd coming to this development.

I will say this, it is far from reaching its potential. But if you were to fast forward 10 years, this thing will probably be a huge success.

Mark

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