wernicke Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 i believe house of blues is opening the 18th. they are having some kind of opening party cause of friend of mine is proud of his tickets.Attell was supposed to open on Friday, the 10th, but cancelled. HOB opens this Saturday with Cowboy Mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Attell was supposed to open on Friday, the 10th, but cancelled. HOB opens this Saturday with Cowboy Mouth.ah ok..that must be the opening party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 He's crude and skanky but I like dave attell's stand up.The big question, are my tix for Thievery Corp still going to be good? I notice they fell off the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 ah ok..that must be the opening party.I don't think they're going to have an "opening party" per se for Cowboy Mouth, just a few nights of shows...and then the night of the Blues Brothers that your friend got tickets to will be the big celebration - I think most of the tickets were given away and then they auctioned off a few for a charity or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) I don't think they're going to have an "opening party" per se for Cowboy Mouth, just a few nights of shows...and then the night of the Blues Brothers that your friend got tickets to will be the big celebration - I think most of the tickets were given away and then they auctioned off a few for a charity or something like that.yep the 18th is what i was referencing, my bad. i know some of the businesses that will be at HP got tickets too. Edited October 8, 2008 by musicman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Im not sure what kind of impact the current economic situation will have on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) yall notice the new website?http://www.houstonpavilions.com/I like how all the entertainment venues are on the third floor.Also, I was surprised to see Qatar Airlines as a tenant.Retail Hours (restaurants and entertainment will vary)Monday through Saturday — 10:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m.Sunday — 12:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.Thanksgiving Day — ClosedChristmas Day — Closed Edited October 8, 2008 by lockmat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) I see Qatar Air opened an office there... ha ha... that's interesting. And Lucky Strike is on the 3rd floor... didn't see that coming. Also weird... HOB is on the 1st floor and 3rd floor but not 2nd. Edited October 8, 2008 by HtownWxBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I see Qatar Air opened an office there... ha ha... that's interesting. And Lucky Strike is on the 3rd floor... didn't see that coming.Also weird... HOB is on the 1st floor and 3rd floor but not 2nd. High ceilings I guess? Or maybe an upper deck seating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) Wow... a lot of restaurants. Hard to believe there is a demand for all of them.The "100 Days of Escapades" sounds interesting... Edited October 9, 2008 by wernicke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deut28Thirteen Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Wow... a lot of restaurants. Hard to believe there is a demand for all of them.The "100 Days of Escapades" sounds interesting...I was watching the news last night and the devloper said he did not want it to be a destination just for dowtown but a downtown destination (or something like it). I guess they built it for many people. Did I hear the HoB has a 15,000 or was it a 5,000 seat amphither. We would have went to HP for dinner prom night rather than the woodlands if it was built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I was watching the news last night and the devloper said he did not want it to be a destination just for dowtown but a downtown destination (or something like it). I guess they built it for many people. Did I hear the HoB has a 15,000 or was it a 5,000 seat amphither. We would have went to HP for dinner prom night rather than the woodlands if it was built.It was 1,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 High ceilings I guess? Or maybe an upper deck seating?Not sure... it seemed weird b/c if you look at the floor plan there is space for shops on the 2nd floor between the 1st and 3rd floor HOB space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 yall notice the new website?http://www.houstonpavilions.com/ I like how all the entertainment venues are on the third floor. Also, I was surprised to see Qatar Airlines as a tenant. Friday and Saturday should have their own schedule. Like open an hour later or something. And lets get a good shoe store in there. A place that would sell the type of shoe in my signature . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 after reading the tenants again, this should attract the same crowd as midtown. however for me this is very ho hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Friday and Saturday should have their own schedule. Like open an hour later or something.And lets get a good shoe store in there. A place that would sell the type of shoe in my signature . There is. It's called the Tipping Point and it's across the street on Main. http://www.thetippingpointstore.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I didn't realize there were still so many vacant stores...prime real estate for some big names, say apple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I thought this thing was supposed to be open on Oct 8th. And the signage hasn't been installed yet. Does anyone know if the video screens that are going up, are they supposed to be motion screens or still screens?Anyway. i'm tired of waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I thought this thing was supposed to be open on Oct 8th. And the signage hasn't been installed yet. Does anyone know if the video screens that are going up, are they supposed to be motion screens or still screens?Anyway. i'm tired of waiting.It was supposed to open Oct. 8th... they are 2 weeks behind due to Hurricane Ike... so now they are saying the end of October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSky Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Most of the Retail space on the 2nd floor is empty, which is shocking. I think the retail orgs are waiting to see how this thing pans out. I can tell you that when I worked at Foleys as an assistant buyer. The DTN Foley's was a mid-tier store that did well. This area has nothing but upside and if retailers were smart they would open up in their sooner rather than later. The foot traffic will be there with the restaurants that are opening up within the location. It is a different genre. Most of the eating establishments downtown are not mid-tier casual dining. You either have the high end $40 dollar per plate or you have the park shops and the tunnel restaurants which is primarily fast casual. You are missing the McCormick and Schmicks, good mexican restaurants and others, which with a strong lunch menu at the 10-15 dollar range will get a significant amount of traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Most of the Retail space on the 2nd floor is empty, which is shocking.if you walked on main st i don't think you would be shocked. there's quite a bit of retail that is already available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I love it: the world economy is circling the drain, the banks are being nationalized, and people are upset the jumbotrons are not installed. Want some bread to go with that circus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I love it: the world economy is circling the drain, the banks are being nationalized, and people are upset the jumbotrons are not installed. Want some bread to go with that circus? I know. What's going on with those jumbotrons, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I love it: the world economy is circling the drain, the banks are being nationalized, and people are upset the jumbotrons are not installed. Want some bread to go with that circus?it's complaining within context. I'm okay with it.People all over the world are starving and unjustly dying every day. Doesn't stop us from complaining during financial good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I know. What's going on with those jumbotrons, anyway?they've become a little less jumbo. 19" recycled CRTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 they've become a little less jumbo. 19" recycled CRTs Times tough all around! I'm picturing a winter scene on the street at HP, with people warming their hands over a trash can fire, looking at the latest Dolce&Gabbano ads on the little fuzzy screens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I love it: the world economy is circling the drain, the banks are being nationalized, and people are upset the jumbotrons are not installed. Want some bread to go with that circus? it's complaining within context. I'm okay with it.People all over the world are starving and unjustly dying every day. Doesn't stop us from complaining during financial good times. not wanting to go OT too much, I think there have been several posters (including myself) who partake in fairly hedonistic ventures/hobbies that other people simply can't enjoy. I've been waiting for the jumbotron as well. Drove by it last night and it looks great! There were more than a few people milling around it for a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasVines Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 what will HOB become when it shuts its doors in a year or two can we discuss that here or should I start a new thread it is amazing for all the people that complain on this forum about chain food they think nothing of drooling over chain entertainment especially at stupid prices HOB is a joke and destined to go the way of planet hollywierd in short order and really 125 pages for a shopping mall in downtown and the HPs website seems to be down right now....not a good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 what will HOB become when it shuts its doors in a year or twocan we discuss that here or should I start a new thread it is amazing for all the people that complain on this forum about chain food they think nothing of drooling over chain entertainment especially at stupid prices HOB is a joke and destined to go the way of planet hollywierd in short order and really 125 pages for a shopping mall in downtown and the HPs website seems to be down right now....not a good start Does it really matter what the venue is? It's the guest that's important, at least I thought so. Don't get me wrong, I'd see a show at the gorge over any other venue anytime. But most people don't have that option. And maybe it's down b/c too much traffic? hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChannelTwoNews Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm still somewhat ambivalent at this point. I mean, yes, the grand opening for the project is next Thursday (10/16)... but businesses will supposedly be opening into January. That said, I still plan to walk through that day or in the days following the first events. I'd wait till February or a bit later to take an objective look at the place, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 It may officially open 10/16 but Spring is more realistic for a true picture of what this will become. I walked around a few minutes ago and it is really cool. I think when they light up those circular skywalks, that will be really spectacular. I am far more optimistic about HP because HOB and Lucky Strike will be two venues that draw people in. Of course the restaurants are going to be great as well and we all know downtown needs a real nice bookstore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 what will HOB become when it shuts its doors in a year or twocan we discuss that here or should I start a new threadit is amazing for all the people that complain on this forum about chain food they think nothing of drooling over chain entertainment especially at stupid pricesActually, HOB has a lot of shows at very reasonable prices... matisyahu and blues traveler starting at $25, bob schneider at $18.50. But you are going to pay if you wanna see Jay-Z, BB King, etc... which is expected I think.I think HOB will be fine. The 20 restaurants... I'm not sure.Also just FYI, if you look at the commercial/office brochure on the site, it has a few more places plugged into the layout (a bank, T-mobile, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 As I've said time and again, I'm not worried about it. It will give downtown convention goers an option for entertainment within walking distance to the various hotels. While I am disappointed that they cut down some of the plans, I was especially bummed they cut out the hotel portion. That would have added a whole new dimension to the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) As I've said time and again, I'm not worried about it. It will give downtown convention goers an option for entertainment within walking distance to the various hotels. While I am disappointed that they cut down some of the plans, I was especially bummed they cut out the hotel portion. That would have added a whole new dimension to the area. In a way, Houston alread has that setup over in the Galleria. The hotels will come, they'll just be nearer to Discovery Green and the convention center where they should be. I have no doubt that HP will be successful, just like Discovery Green has been a wild success. Downtown has broadened its offerrings to both Houstonians and visitors alike, and that's something to be proud of. What I'm hoping for is that HP will spur some healthy competition with the existing retail in downtown to expand their operating hours. If Houston Center were willing to expand into the 9pm-10pm range with retail, downtown will really be in the game with entertainment and retail. Just think, along with the theater district and sports venues, we've now got a world-class city park, another great entertainment venue in HOB, a decent commercial bookstore, wealth of new restaurants, and even an upscale bowling alley all in downtown. Man, we better not squint or we'll think we're in SAN ANTONIO Edited October 9, 2008 by totheskies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasVines Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Does it really matter what the venue is? It's the guest that's important, at least I thought so. Don't get me wrong, I'd see a show at the gorge over any other venue anytime. But most people don't have that option.And maybe it's down b/c too much traffic? heheI agree that the venue name really should really not matter, but lets be honest if the HOB in HP was called "Club" there would not be near the discussion about it, when it is opening, or who will play there much less the decorations and architecture of it. So it seems to me that sadly many in this forum have bought right into itand really it should not be called HOB because the first acts are gangsta rappas and comedians, but again if it was called "club" and they were charging 200 to see a tired gangsta rappa and have the joy of getting in the cross fire of some athlete and his possie most on here would be laughing how a place called "club" thought they would ever get anyone to pay those prices for some fools to spray you with champagne....fortunately there are some intelligent people in this forum that so see through it....but not enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) I wasn't really compliaining about the jumbotrons not being installed, I was just trying to ask if anyone knew if they were supopsed to be MOTIONLESS screens or MOTION screens like in Dallas. If they're MOTIONLESS like the ones on the Toyota Center and Hobby Center, then I'm not that excited! Edited October 9, 2008 by tierwestah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I agree that the venue name really should really not matter, but lets be honest if the HOB in HP was called "Club" there would not be near the discussion about it, when it is opening, or who will play there much less the decorations and architecture of it. So it seems to me that sadly many in this forum have bought right into itand really it should not be called HOB because the first acts are gangsta rappas and comedians, but again if it was called "club" and they were charging 200 to see a tired gangsta rappa and have the joy of getting in the cross fire of some athlete and his possie most on here would be laughing how a place called "club" thought they would ever get anyone to pay those prices for some fools to spray you with champagne....fortunately there are some intelligent people in this forum that so see through it....but not enoughthis post in inanely moronic, and i'm not even going to waste my time explaining to you why.but kudos, nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasVines Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) this post in inanely moronic, and i'm not even going to waste my time explaining to you why.but kudos, nonetheless.when people like you make a post like this the reality is they can't back up there reasons....not that they refuse toand then they expect a few fools to blindly buy into it....if you were really not going to waste your time you would have not even posted....but you can't resist going for the support of the blind followers of hype and so you had to make at least some form of post even if it was a failurenice try....you have the support of a few total idiots and that is about it....but that is really all you deservethe HOB is nothing but a planet hollywierd and a hard rock cafe.....fluff and nothing more...it is the chain restaurant of entertainment and when its trend fades so will you and its supportersI did not realize that the blind trend followers and the fans of champagne sprayers and athletes posses were so easily offended Edited October 9, 2008 by TexasVines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 glad to see that we are all cooperating here and hoping that HP will be a successbtw, TexasVines I'm not going against you here or trying to start an argumentbut what is the purpose of your posting here(in the HP topic) to open ppls eyes and making them realize that HP isn't what they think it is?hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 the HOB is nothing but a planet hollywierd and a hard rock cafe.....fluff and nothing more...it is the chain restaurant of entertainment and when its trend fades so will you and its supportersHouse of Blues is a music venue, Planet Hard Rock are restaurants with memorabilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 House of Blues is a music venue, Planet Hard Rock are restaurants with memorabilia.But they're part of a wave of commerce that's replacing real things with pretend things. HoB isn't a music venue, it's a music venue themed amusement park ride. Houston has lots of music venues with genuine funk on them. Why do we need pre-fab funk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I don't see the big deal. Why do people think it's so cool to be non-commercial? So what if it's popular? They bring acts that many people want to see. That doesn't make it bad.When it comes down to it, when you're sitting or standing in the venue, all that matters is the music. Listening to it in a crappy warehouse doesn't make it any cooler or genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 But they're part of a wave of commerce that's replacing real things with pretend things. HoB isn't a music venue, it's a music venue themed amusement park ride. Houston has lots of music venues with genuine funk on them. Why do we need pre-fab funk?If I go there and see a chuck-e-cheese robot band dressed up like The Clash, I'll probably agree with you. If I go there and see a real live band that I know and like, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 If I go there and see a chuck-e-cheese robot band dressed up like The Clash, I'll probably agree with you. If I go there and see a real live band that I know and like, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Oooh, animatronics! That'd make me go more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasVines Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) glad to see that we are all cooperating here and hoping that HP will be a successbtw, TexasVines I'm not going against you here or trying to start an argumentbut what is the purpose of your posting here(in the HP topic) to open ppls eyes and making them realize that HP isn't what they think it is?hmm?I hope HP does very well....but stepping into reality what is HP....it is a shopping mall full of mostly restaurants downtown with a bit of office space on top....I am far from a hypster for mixed use, but as many others have pointed out a hotel and or residences would have made this project something uniqueI also posted my opinion that people are WAY over hyping the HOB because honestly after seeing a picture of it on wikipedia I have seen air conditioner cooling towers that were more architecturally interestingand a place called House of BLUES kind of makes me laugh when their opening acts are gangsta rappas and comedians for WAY too much cost.....I would prefer to pay to go to a comedy club on open mic night and hear something original than go see a comedian for too much money that I will already know what 90% of his jokes are before he says them....mix in the over priced drinks to pay for all the "atmosphere" at the house of blues and I will pass on most of their acts.....HOB made a name for themselves as a place that gave small BLUES acts a venue and instead of opening with reasonable prices and a line up of BLUES acts that most would rarely see they open with a has been rappa and comedians and it is correct to say that sitting in an old warehouse does not make something special, but neither does sitting in a contrived over priced ugly box with a name on the front make something specialpeople seem set on being excited that it is THE HOB when the reality is it is uglier than a wharehouse and cost more and will be full of people more borish than an empty warehouse.....not really getting what all the excitement is aboutI wish this mall the best, but they will really need to WORK to make it something more than just another mall away from a large population center with over priced venues living on what they were somewhere else VS what they have become now Edited October 10, 2008 by TexasVines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 When it comes down to it, when you're sitting or standing in the venue, all that matters is the music. Listening to it in a crappy warehouse doesn't make it any cooler or genuine. A few generations of musicians, music lovers, historians, and other musical types would beg to differ. It does make it cooler. It is more authentic. How much live music have been exposed to, exactly? HOB is exactly a Planet Hollywood with stages. Does it mean I won't go there? No. But understand the difference between a show, and music. I understand that most people are not going to go into some joint in the ward to see a bluesman, or a scuzzy warehouse to see some atonal punk band. But don't think for a second that it is not more valuable to see an art form in its natural state. We're all poseurs. I understand what you're getting at there. But if you have the chance, and you love music, you should always seek it out where it exists. Pay the service charge to get a ticket to someplace shiny, and enjoy the show. But if you're interested, don't be satisfied with just that. And for god's sake listen to music through good, well placed speakers and not earbuds. And if you really love music, buy it. Not song by song, but actual albums. It keeps the musician types fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I don't see the big deal. Why do people think it's so cool to be non-commercial? So what if it's popular? They bring acts that many people want to see. That doesn't make it bad. It isn't bad because it's commercial. I bought a ticket to see the Butthole Surfers in an abandoned warehouse. There was commerce. It isn't bad because it's popular. Lots of great stuff is popular. It's bad because it's fake, and it doesn't even acknowledge that. It convinces us little by little that it's as real as the real thing. It steals the real out of our lives. It's like pornography: OK in a pinch, but wouldn't you rather have sex with a real human being? Or at the very least, a real farm animal? When it comes down to it, when you're sitting or standing in the venue, all that matters is the music. Listening to it in a crappy warehouse doesn't make it any cooler or genuine. If the music is all that matters then listen to a CD at home. You can hear a much better mix without the limitations of large hall acoustics and amplification, or the interference from other people. Or farm animals. Live performance is about more than music. It's about a real experience, not a "real" "experience". Look at this: That isn't an old building; it's new. It was built to look old. It's like the worst sort of magic trick, the kind where the magician pretends that magic is real. It was built by people who think you are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 It isn't bad because it's commercial. I bought a ticket to see the Butthole Surfers in an abandoned warehouse. There was commerce. It isn't bad because it's popular. Lots of great stuff is popular. It's bad because it's fake, and it doesn't even acknowledge that. It convinces us little by little that it's as real as the real thing. It steals the real out of our lives.It's like pornography: OK in a pinch, but wouldn't you rather have sex with a real human being? Or at the very least, a real farm animal? If the music is all that matters then listen to a CD at home. You can hear a much better mix without the limitations of large hall acoustics and amplification, or the interference from other people. Or farm animals. Live performance is about more than music. It's about a real experience, not a "real" "experience". Look at this: That isn't an old building; it's new. It was built to look old. It's like the worst sort of magic trick, the kind where the magician pretends that magic is real. It was built by people who think you are an idiot. is it because they think people are idiots or because they want to capitalize on authenticity and appear to be authentic? the existence of places like this is evidence that the real thing is/was way better. a tuscan mansion in memorial or the woodlands lacks the very thing that inspires it. give me a musty hole in the wall with good music any day, or a four hundred year old building still serving its function that is clean as the day it was built. authenticity does not live at HOB or in a mega mansion in..........ok, i just can't say it. long live fitzgeralds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 don't devastate the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 So take your favorite singers. Put them in the Houston Pavilion's HOB. Is it real or fabricated?I'd rather listen to good music inside some place fake than bad music in a "real" place.Who's not to say that the owner of a "real" genuine music venue is not dooping us? He convinces some people that just because it's an old abandoned warehouse that the music is good.I'm with crunch. Just go where the music is, regardless of the venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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