Jeebus Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I think you could put a soundwaves in this development and still have a Virgin megastore. The Virgin megastore will sooth all your top 40 teeny-boppers, while soundwaves could focus on their vinyls, indies, skate/surf gear. The Virgin megastore would be your tourist attraction, while soundwaves is the hometown shop - downtown.Oh, I don't buy cd's - but kjb434: What did you mean by people who buy cd's at Bestbuy or Warehouse music have been missing out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 My experience with Virgin (in New Orleans) was three large floors of a large selection of music. I found artists i could only read about on the internet and hope to download a song from them.There are a lot of music choices in Europe and the rest of the world that you typically don't have access too that I was able to get too.In todays world with Amazon and other internet retailers, you can get almost everything. This is why I think the music store concept in general is not too strong unless it can offer more than just CD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 My experience with Virgin (in New Orleans) was three large floors of a large selection of music. I found artists i could only read about on the internet and hope to download a song from them.There are a lot of music choices in Europe and the rest of the world that you typically don't have access too that I was able to get too.Exactly and the prices are not that way off from the sheer variety of stuff that they offer. I found the one in NYC jacking up their prices a little bit though. When I lived in SF, the prices were not that high because of the competition they had in the city with local retailers. Maybe Virgin is not appreciated because of how big they have become, but they offer what any quality music store has, from R&B, hip-hop, punk, country, pop, etc, and then some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Not really talking about the physical store itself or the location, just the terrible product offering. The Regent Street store is wondeful, and the location is second to none. Shopping is everywhere. But the product offering still stinks. So if Houston gets a Virgin Store and it sells typical Sam Goody fare, how long can it last? Good point, Coog-and something I've been wondering: When and where has a Virgin outlet gone under? They seem to have some staying power-at least in the cities I've traveled to off and on. Seems like the Pavillion developers are going for top-tier retailers that they can count on having some staying power. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therepguy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 So what's with this town - lots of great ideas but never any actions - just what do the clients pay their architects to do in the first place? I've been back in town for the better part of two years and all I've seen is a circle jerk - lots of start and stops - but nothing in the way of a major project ever get past the design stage!http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/style_images/1/folder_rte_images/textcolor.gifAre the local/regional developers that short of funds or what?I mean there busy work and then their busy work!What ever happen to the cutting edge style - that was once found here in Houston - did we all just get old or what?I mean there busy work and then their busy work!ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I've got a bad feeling about this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I've got a bad feeling about this project. Who would have guessed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I don't, i think this project is a go.Just give it time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Here we go again.Let the pessimism rain.There are no signs that this project is faltering. The final peice the developer needed to move forward went off without a hitch: the city approved the TIRZ changes for the project.Also, Houston has plenty of project starts within the last two years. Why wouldn't this project move forward? Just saying so doesn't really mean anything. Do you have evidence that the project is having problems? (probably should ask houston-development) Everything I've seen so far seems this project is on tract.I guess I should go and puch a hole in one of those parking lots, take a picture, and post it on here as the construction starting. While that make some of the pessimist happy?thefireguy, most large scale projects will pay architects to perform a general design before they have any assurance the project will move forward. What the architects produce is used to help sell the project to investors and financiers.Also, nmainguy: I think you have a good point. I think the Pavilons projects have picked retailers that have staying power. Virgin record stores generally have an appeal to them and having only one in the city will only help them stay open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Do people on here realize that it is imperative to place retailers that are not found all over the metro, so people can have a reason to go to downtown?I think this is critical. There has to be an added incentive to go to the Pavillions DT, particularly on weekends. Not only are we talking about eateries but we're talking about consumable goods, too. Having unique stores that offer at least decent merchandising is important. It's why the Galleria and Uptown are distinguishable from, say, Meyerland or Memorial City.Even Gulfgate has a bit of a niche in their area of town. Where's their nearest realistic competitor?Meanwhile, you have an opportunity to appeal to the new jack urbanists in Midtown, near North, West End and the East End as well as to the young, hip hop crew found on nearby campuses such as UH and TSU (Rice has its own niche in The Village, but you get my point).Also, I enjoy reading the unfounded pessimism that rears its ugly head on this site. No perspective at all, which on the one hand is ridiculous, but on the other hand shows passion at least. It's better than the person who is indifferent and has nothing to offfer. Edited November 2, 2005 by The Great Hizzy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 You can't be too hard on Virgin, I suppose. Looks what they have to work with:Lohan, Duff and Crow join American Music Awards performershttp://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/ae/3433190What? Was Ashlee Simpson already booked? What a poop-fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) I HAVE TO SAY that i somewhat share Houstonsemipro's frustration regarding this project. When i look at all the multiple projects that are taking place in Dallas, i conclude and feel that Houston's a little on the slow side.Dallas mentioned the Victory Development and wide plasma screens not even a year ago. They've already begun to move some dirt showing progress and signs that the projects are moving along. It's frustrating. Dallas appears to be the most booming city in the state right now. Why can't we at least start seeing some dirt flying or being moved for the Pavilions? I'm mad as hell! Edited November 2, 2005 by tierwestah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) some dirt being moved for the PavilionsMaybe becase they are using an existing structure!Have you ever been to downtown Houston? Edited November 2, 2005 by MidtownCoog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Maybe becase they are using an existing structure!Have you ever been to downtown Houston?I'm there all the time. What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Houston has it all. It's just not all in one central location.That's Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I HAVE TO SAY that i somewhat share Houstonsemipro's frustration regarding this project. When i look at all the multiple projects that are taking place in Dallas, i conclude and feel that Houston's a little on the slow side.Dallas mentioned the Victory Development and wide plasma screens not even a year ago. They've already begun to move some dirt showing progress and signs that the projects are moving along. It's frustrating. Dallas appears to be the most booming city in the state right now. Why can't we at least start seeing some dirt flying or being moved for the Pavilions? I'm mad as hell!Wrong. I have a friend in Dallas that has been waiting on Victory for years. Try the 90's. Maybe a Dallasite on this forum could tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 also, remember, that living in houston and watching the papers and websites daily, it can feel like a project is taking forever. and, if you only periodically check on the developments in another city it can feel like many things are happening quickly. whereas, if you lived in the other city you may feel the same as you do about the progress of things here. just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 WEINER'S is a chain of discount stores I've seen them in the south a lot. I guess they haven't made it to Texas. They're nothing too impressive. Ummmm, how long you been here KJB ? You can't be too hard on Virgin, I suppose. Looks what they have to work with: What? Was Ashlee Simpson already booked? What a poop-fest. They couldn't find a cd player that wouldn't skip during the playback for Ashlee, so she is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I've been here for 3 years. That's why I haven't probably seen a Weiner's here.Many of the ones in Louisiana have closed down too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Maybe becase they are using an existing structure! There are no existing strutures. QUOTE(kjb434 @ Friday, July 1st, 2005 @ 9:32am) WEINER'S is a chain of discount stores I've seen them in the south a lot. I guess they haven't made it to Texas. They're nothing too impressive. Weiner's was a Houston based, cheap-ass, trailer trash clothing outlet that died a merciful death about 5-10 years [?] ago. Edited November 2, 2005 by nmainguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 So I am confused.What's going in the old Sakowitz location? I thought this was all one structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) So I am confused.What's going in the old Sakowitz location? I thought this was all one structure. Sakowitz is supposed to be getting an American Apparel store on the ground floor. Houston Pavilions is going to be next door to Sakowitz on the 3 empty blocks bounded by Main, Dallas, Caroline and Polk. Edited November 2, 2005 by nmainguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Main, Dallas, Caroline and Polk.If that is the case, then I don't see this project happening, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelimon Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) If that is the case, then I don't see this project happening, either.Here is an Idea why don't one of us on here call the company and ask if this project is on track? Edited November 2, 2005 by eelimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2H Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 i've tried, they don't like to give out any information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 And the hysteria ensues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 It'll take some big balls to take the risk.Hope they are well hung.It would be a neat area. Macy's, AA, Virgin, Corner Bakery, Kriby Lofts, Humble Apts all within walking distance.It just makes too much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Chan's Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Weiner's was a Houston based, cheap-ass, trailer trash clothing outlet that died a merciful death about 5-10 years [?] ago.Hey, some of us didn't have a choice! Weiner's served a market, and my family was definitely part of that market. Not all of us could wear Izod and Polo...somebody had to represent with the fake Pumas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelimon Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hey, some of us didn't have a choice! Weiner's served a market, and my family was definitely part of that market. Not all of us could wear Izod and Polo...somebody had to represent with the fake Pumas!regarding Winners. I always liked getting lost between the clothing racks. I think even back then I was too embarrassed to be seen at such a low cost store even though it was all my family could afford at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian in Iraq Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 regarding Winners. I always liked getting lost between the clothing racks. I think even back then I was too embarrassed to be seen at such a low cost store even though it was all my family could afford at the time Hey me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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