Guest Professional Hornblower Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 That is an interesting choice of tenants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Why a Virgin Megastore? I been to one, and it don't have nothing inside. It's just has a nice flashy sign on the outside. I'd rather a FYE then Virgin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I've been to one Virgin Megastore in New Orleans in the French Quarter. It was pretty cool. They had three floors of music of anything you can think of. Before Amazon and other places on the internet, I used to go there for CDs I couldn't get anywhere else. That was just my experience at that particular store.As for the Pavilons, I just hope it turns out better than Bayou Place. I also hope the project completes itself with the office and residences without stopping at the retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Why a Virgin Megastore? I been to one, and it don't have nothing inside. It's just has a nice flashy sign on the outside. I'd rather a FYE then Virgin.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>virgin is more exclusive and when i lived in san fran, it was a million steps up from the suburban mall store fye. may i ask which virgin did you visit? fye can be found anywhere, mostly in the suburbs. virgin is cool because they never fail to locate in an urban location, for the most part, and the designs of the store give true character to the streets at groundlevel. trust me, you wouldn't be disappointed. the ones in miami and chicago are pretty cool too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YakuzaIce Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Estimated time for completion: 2007.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, 2007, they really need to get started pretty soon if the whole project will be done by then. Is it going up in phases, or all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Any new news on this? Have they started knocking down the old shopping center? If not, When will they start? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Citykid. I called there two days ago. They told me groundbreaking posed to be this year she told me, again. She also said, keep checking the website for new updates, and keep calling for more info. So, I'm guessing this project is legit. We just have to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 what is the website? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I sure hope this happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I noticed that the sign advertising these three blocks is still up. I would put this in the wait-and-see column. From our experience with the Shamrock we know that developers can throw out dates and assurances as easy as anyone else can. It doesn't mean they're worth anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YakuzaIce Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 what is the website?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://www.houstonpavilions.com/pavilions_content.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 The project is going to happen. I am very excited but weary about certain design flaws. Look for a press release in about a week and a ground breaking late this year or early '06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 The project is going to happen. I am very excited but weary about certain design flaws. Look for a press release in about a week and a ground breaking late this year or early '06.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>from your respnse i think it is appropriate to ask what is your role in this project? just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YakuzaIce Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 ...weary about certain design flaws...<{POST_SNAPBACK}>What might those be? There does not seem to be to much info on the project as of yet, so as texasboy said are you working with the project? I hope if you are working with them, that you are allowed to give us some more info.But if not thats cool anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Im thinking about a diffrent pavillion, the one in the Galleria area, This one is the one downtown, the one Im talking about is where two old shopping centers are in Uptown/Galleria area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 That one is called Pavilion at Post oak. This one is called Houston pavilions. Reading the thread would have shed light on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 from your respnse i think it is appropriate to ask what is your role in this project? just curious.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm nobody, just interested in the project. If I do find out anything else concrete I'll let you guys know. Just curious, is anyone on this board a city planner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 That one is called Pavilion at Post oak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) I know everything there is to know about Juliet Homes, Roosevelt Mortgage and First Texas Residential. I am ready to go public. Toni Villarreal Edited June 13, 2005 by jmancuso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmancuso Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I know everything there is to know about Juliet Homes, Roosevelt Mortgage and First Texas Residential. I am ready to go public. Toni Villarrealwhat does this have to do with the thread topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 SPAM. That's what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmancuso Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 i thought so. i'll ditch the e-mail address then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 So, as of now nothing new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Hey guys...I have a little info to chime in on.... I usually post at Clutchfans.net. Great site, I'm from New York and it has helped me miss my Knicks less and less and now love the Rockets now more and more. Yesterday I chimed in on a rail spurring development debate with a little info I knew. I got called out for it by someone here, I will not mention who out of respect.... So since "spilt" this info, I might as well share it with you guys. Take it how you want it...every one of the 15,000 posters at CF.net knows me as a reliable source who is rarely wrong. I have already one scoop to my name here at HAIF as I found out about the redevelopement plans of Northwest Mall and it tying into a proposed Soccer Stadium for an MLS team, most likely to be owned by Mexico's Televisia, owner of Club America. But I assume few noticed that as it generated few replies...I guess no one likes soccer here. I was planning on holding out with this info BELOW until I got more facts to back up what I say as this "my relative is..." source is shaky at best for most to believe. But with me getting 'called out" yesterday, I decided to hold out no more, here it is.... THE INFO: Virgin is coming to Houston. My Cousin is a top ranking manager at the Times Square Store. Sometimes, they have her and other managers travel to stores under construction to help prep new staff with the day to day operations of the business. She has alerted me that she is coming to Houston soon, no timetable has been set. The facts I need to garner is where in Houston. The location is not %100 official but they have scouted downtown and the Galleria. Of Downtown, she said there location would not be stand alone in downtown, rather be incorporated into a new mixed use development, which is a staple of Virgin stores. This leads me to believe that Virgin is looking to be apart of this Pavillions project, the only mixed us project with space downtown. She said she will provide me with more info as it comes in.... Again, take it for what its worth....if you dont believe me, that's fine. I can understand why. Just know this...when it happens, who know who said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Credit given where credit due, that's my motto! What you're saying makes sense. It seems that Virgin would be a good fit for a development such as Houston Pavillions. It seems like a better "fit" than the Galleria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 wow thats huge news...way to be on the inside. i think places like virgin could be the start up of many others like it thanks again for the info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 No Probs. One more thing to add....I was on Main at Grass hopper saturday night. Before I went there, I decided to walk the street. Its has a great atmosphere. I feel within a few years it will rival that of the French Quarter as more and more clubs are coming to Main. While walking around downtown, I passed by the proposed Shamerock site, which still has activity of some sort. I dont know what's going on but "soil samples" can not take this long. I am convinced the delay for this project is due to the redesign, which was due to its new sight restrictions. Any major overhaul of project will delay it as floor plans, HVAC, Electrical, lighting, plumbing etc would all have to be redrawn. Shamerock was literally sliced in half, juging by the newest rendering. Furthermore, if the 'we've sold %60" thing is ture, this has to be a go because they sold these before the design revision, which probably sliced half of its square footage. With this design revision, that figure is probably at %85-90 percent, beased on the amount of vacant space lost in the revision. ut then again, they might have had to resell the project to those who bought already, as this revision could have reduced the square footages in the dwellings they had bought....which could also lead to a delay. In any case, "the Sham" to me is not dead by a long shot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Very awesome news about the Virgin Store it would be cool to have one and along with Sakowitz, it should boost DT retail a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 It would be nice if the Houston Pavillions had something like a Target. I know, I know, not exactly glamour-puss, but it would draw a lot of shoppers, complement the specialty stores like Virgin, and help create a viable downtown retail base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I cannot wait for this to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian in Iraq Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I'm totally out of the loop out here. The way y'all are talking about the Houston Pavilions it looks like a GO. Is there any development yet? Have they broken ground? Put up fences? Gotten rid of those damn surface lots? Signs? I'm just anxious about all this as most of y'all are. I just want all this to happen already not just this project but BPII, Sakawitz, the Sham, etc..... All I can do is wait for y'all to post stuff or read it in the Chronicle... Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 There are a few problems with the Houston Pavilions project. From what I've been told there are many retailers including Virgin that have LOI's for the project. The list is pretty amazing, but none of it will happen unless the developer gets his financing. He's apparently gotten the most difficult loan from a bank overseas and will use that to secure the rest of the loans, but so far he has shown nothing to the city or anyone associated with downtown. The developer is a difficult one to read. The other problem is the design. Much of the Pavilions is inward facing, meaning the loading docks and utilities are all along the outside facing Dallas. This cuts the pedestrian out of the project unless he/she is walking through the center. In that sense, it is designed like an outdoor mall, paying little attention to the surrounding streets. It negates the urban fabric of downtown any tries to become its own little complex. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled this development could possibly happen. There are a number of exciting tenants waiting to hear the good news about the financing. The fact is, the developer needs to tweak the design or else we'll see another potential Park Shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Man too bad about the loading docks facing the streets, too bad they won't have some sort of alley for that sort off stuff. Hopefully it doesn't ruin the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMND Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Sounds like Downtown Disney in Orlando. All the stores are facing the main walkway, none face out where the parking lot is, it's the back of all the buildings facing the parking lot, and that's fine for a Disney project in Orlando, but not so much for downtown, you don't want to walk down Dallas St pass the BACKS of all the stores. I still really want this project to happen, just kind of a bummer about the design, I figured there would be stores facing a central area plaze type thing, but then also stores facing the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 There are a few problems with the Houston Pavilions project. From what I've been told there are many retailers including Virgin that have LOI's for the project. The list is pretty amazing, but none of it will happen unless the developer gets his financing. He's apparently gotten the most difficult loan from a bank overseas and will use that to secure the rest of the loans, but so far he has shown nothing to the city or anyone associated with downtown. The developer is a difficult one to read. The other problem is the design. Much of the Pavilions is inward facing, meaning the loading docks and utilities are all along the outside facing Dallas. This cuts the pedestrian out of the project unless he/she is walking through the center. In that sense, it is designed like an outdoor mall, paying little attention to the surrounding streets. It negates the urban fabric of downtown any tries to become its own little complex. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled this development could possibly happen. There are a number of exciting tenants waiting to hear the good news about the financing. The fact is, the developer needs to tweak the design or else we'll see another potential Park Shops.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know. Denver Pavilions is the same way but they still have sidewalk entrance to some stores. Pacific Place in Seattle is another example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUCAJUN Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 why does dallas have two(virgin megastores)and we don't have one yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxDave Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I wouldn't put too high of expectations on a Virgin Megastore. Based on current trends in downloading music (and movies), these stores are struggling. From what I have heard, several real estate people expect that the days are numbered for the exisiting Virgin Megastore in Dallas' successful Mockingbird Station development. Some are already planning for its potential replacement (along with the Tower Records on Lemmon). I am certainly no expert on the subject, but I don't think the future is in "music" stores. Some kind of revolution will have to happen to make these stores really hot again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Repeat after me:"The virgin megastore does not a city make","The virgin megastore does not a city make","The virgin megastore does not a city make".The store is a 90's phenomenon. Houston doesn't need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I am certainly no expert on the subject, but I don't think the future is in "music" stores. Some kind of revolution will have to happen to make these stores really hot again.Very true. Amazon. iPod. Walmart. Demographics. Some large music chains have already filed bankruptcy. There will always be a market for music stores, but it's a shrinking pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Found a pic of the three surface lots where Houston Pavilions will be located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Talk about an infill development project. I would worry too much about most of the development facing inward. The streets will crowed with people driving there car to park at the place.(a little sarcasm)My biggest hope is that the project is sustained once built. Hopefull the Park Shops would elevate themselves after this project is built. The Park Shops facility would be a great commercial center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Talk about an infill development project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Nice photos. Yeah, I hope the Pavilions can spur the type of retail growth downtown that Seattle has witnessed. With the Sakowitz, Foley's, and then Pavilions, that sectiion of DT is looking like a retail powerhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 The Foley's will probably close down there unless Bloomingdales decides on changing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I know everything there is to know about Juliet Homes, Roosevelt Mortgage and First Texas Residential. I am ready to go public. Toni Villarreal<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Going back to that post earlier from Toni, I bets she is refering to the Tremont Towers, I was reading a post in the Crater Houston Alliance Threads and found this.http://www.hobb.org/hobbv2/index.php?optio...d=25&Itemid=147------read below--------Think you can't afford to live here? Juliet Homes/First Texas Residential and Bernie Kane, "creative accounting superstar," will magically make it appear that your income is double to get you in, even if you have a negative net worth of $18,000. Hey what a great guy. He'll pay your first 6 months of mortgage payments, maybe 2 years of association dues, throw in a washer and dryer. He'll do whatever it takes!---------------------------I wonder if she is complaining about them, and yes, SPAMing the boards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Love this quote: "Jordan had looked forward to a leisurely life taking care of her new house and writing memoirs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 It is still in the design stages. Everything should be ready by this fall in September. Stay tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian in Iraq Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 It is still in the design stages. Everything should be ready by this fall in September. Stay tune. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cool Hopefully I'll be home for it. Who knows though Looking foward to it. Anything solid though? Ground breaking date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasboy Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Cool Hopefully I'll be home for it. Who knows though  <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You will. I'm praying for you man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Me too, Houstonian. I'll be praying for you, and the other troops to return home safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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