GreenStreet: Mixed-Use Development At 1201 Fannin St.

[LTAWACS]

it's a dead link.

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[danes75]

um yeah, their site doesn't mention the development (that i can find). dead in the water perhaps?

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found it, under "on the boards"... isn't there a stat somewhere that says like 2% of projects "on the boards" actually make it off?

and semipro -- just because an artists rendering shows something doesn't mean it actually will have it. anyone remember what the artist rendering of the courthouse looked like? not like the actual building. and artists always seem to throw in a lake or ocean in front and a jungle behind buildings.

http://www.altoonporter.com/projects/on_th...enter/index.php

[houstonsemipro]

So what. It's not going to get built anyway.

[LTAWACS]

So what. It's not going to get built anyway.

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[Subdude]

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This thread seems to be pretty much just a series of random comments unrelated to the topic, so closing for now. If anyone wants to discuss the proposed Main at Polk development it can be reopened.

[guess]

Houston Pavilions now has a website.

Pavilions

Here is an OLD render of the project.

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/9297/pavilions2wg.jpg

The renders on the site seem to correspond with the recent chronicle article about the project, unlike the old image above.

http://img225.exs.cx/img225/373/newpavilions5ln.jpg

The light rail on main is at the bottom of the picture and it looks like the new Hilton is also in the background.

There are a few more random pictures on the site.

[greystone08(returns)]

great now enough with the drawings let's get the darn thing built already!!!

[111486]

Atleast they are serious about the project and are updating the renderings. The last time, they were talking about the Toyota Center was proposed now they actually have the Hilton Americas in the rendering and light rail. The location is also awesome, not sprawly like some of these awesome developments happening 10 miles away from downtown or in the suburbs. lol. This is happening right next door to Main Street Square across from the Courtyard by Marriott. Hope this gets off the ground. This is the exact same thing as the one in Denver.

[UrbaNerd]

So..I guess this means this project is going to be built!

"Roger, its a go, Houston!"

EDIT: Well, IMO, the renderings do not quite look final...

[Trophy Property]

So..I guess this means this project is going to be built!

"Roger, its a go, Houston!"

EDIT:  Well, IMO, the renderings do not quite look final...

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I would not hold my breath on this. The website had zero information except renderings.

I heard that Crescent is going to re-do the shops to offer more of a urban feel vs suburban feel. I would love to see both projects.

[UrbaNerd]

All the webiste says is "coming soon"...

Crap..I justr hope this does not go like the Shamrock..

Say..watever happened to the Sham, anyway?

[kzseattle]

All the webiste says is "coming soon"...

Crap..I justr hope this does not go like the Shamrock..

Say..watever happened to the Sham, anyway?

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Well, the project thats going up in Memorial City also had a website for a while that just said "Coming soon....". So just because the website doesnt have enough information doesnt mean much. They probably havent finalized the details yet and they probably do not want to give details that may change.

[houstonsemipro]

Well, shamrock have a website, and nothing happened.

[dalparadise]

All the webiste says is "coming soon"...

Crap..I justr hope this does not go like the Shamrock..

Say..watever happened to the Sham, anyway?

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I love referring to Shamrock Tower as "The Sham".

If you had only had to deal with those guys like I did, you'd know how appropriate this nickname is.

[C2H]

This sounds exciting but i am a little confused. Are there two Pavilions in Houston that are supposed to be going up? I remember reading about the same type of project in the Galleria area off Post Oak. So there's a similar project proposed for downtown? If so, that might really boost Houston's downtown image.

[kzseattle]

This sounds exciting but i am a little confused. Are there two Pavilions in Houston that are supposed to be going up? I remember reading about the same type of project in the Galleria area off Post Oak. So there's a similar project proposed for downtown? If so, that might really boost Houston's downtown image.

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Yeah, thats right. The one in Galleria area is going to replace the existing center that is called Pavilions. I dont know what the new development would be called.

The one in downtown is being developed by the same company that did Denver Pavilions and that is why they are calling it Houston Pavilions.

[houston-development]

I love referring to Shamrock Tower as "The Sham".

If you had only had to deal with those guys like I did, you'd know how appropriate this nickname is.

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who is this and what have you done with dal?!?!?!

[houstonsemipro]

I heard they will break ground this fall.

[texasboy]

I sent out an email to the developers today telling them how much potential this development will have in downtown Houston.

[texasboy]

I heard they will break ground this fall.

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what's your source?

[houstonsemipro]

I called that number on the website, and you can too at, 818-991-2964. I was looking for blueprints, and she turn me over to Harvey Construction CO. Those are the project builders, but I haven't spoke to them yet. I'm planning on to some time tomorrow.

[Subdude]

I'm really hoping that this project gets done. Maybe if it does it will re-start the momentum for some other downtown development, like what happened after the renovation of the Rice and opening of Bayou Place in the late 90s. We could sure use it now.

[marc]

I called that number on the website, and you can too at, 818-991-2964. I was looking for blueprints, and she turn me over to Harvey Construction CO. Those are the project builders, but I haven't spoke to them yet. I'm planning on to some time tomorrow.

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(818)?? that is my neck of the woods! Is the company based in LA?

m.

[houstonsemipro]

(818)??  that is my neck of the woods!  Is the company based in LA?

m.

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Yes. It's in L.A.

[Sunstar]

I went and checked out the proposed site today. It looks like about 3 or 4 parking lots starting at Main and running directly back to the Hilton. Aside from that there's good density all around it, so this project would fit quite snuggly into the area. I could definitely see people on their lunch hour strolling through the Pavillion. How it would make out on the weekends is a whole other question.

Also, the fact that this would border Foley's (Macy's) and The Shops would pretty much establish a downtown retail district. A well executed project by a recognized developer could help secure some of the high-end retailers that have typically passed on downtown up to this point. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, but the potential certainly seems to be there.

[houston-development]

anyone know the block numbers? cbre had a deal for sale consisting of blocks 272, 273, and 274 (bordered by polk/dallas and main/caroline) for sale a while ago. it was a large chunk; over four acres and asking about $125 psf. is it the same deal?

[Houston19514]

^ Yes, I believe those are the correct block numbers.

[shasta]

I sent out an email to the developers today telling them how much potential this development will have in downtown Houston.

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texasboy,

Did you ever get a response to your email?

[skwatra]

maybe if this gets built, the shops at houston center and the tunnels will be open later in the evening and all weekend.

i've sadly never been to either of those places because they're never open when i'm downtown.

[brijonmang]

You're really not missing anything in either location. All the shops & restuarants seem to be really catered to a lunch crowd.

I often wonder how they would fare if they were all street level and didn't close at 6pm though?

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Well, it definitely wouldnt hurt the efforts to increase the nightlife downtown

[texasboy]

texasboy,

Did you ever get a response to your email?

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nope. kind of what i expected.

[Houston Retail]

Your block numbers are correct. The project also encompasses the parking garage on main to the south which will lower construction costs. From what I hear, the project WONT be connected to the tunels, which I think is great in getting activity on the street level.

[houstonsemipro]

When this baby going to kick off?

[WestGrayGuy]

I am so excited about this project. What a great way to create density within the central business district. This will surely add a much needed connection between Main Street and the East End.

One thing though, I do not like that website. You can not look at any of the rendering in detail. The towers will be office or residential?

I am guessing that the "central park" the city is planning will be at the Eastern end of this project? This should send downtown into critical mass in terms of entertainment choices.

Personally I would like to get to a point where we get rid of every surface parking lot in downtown. The days of the downtown ghost town are over. It is time to fill in the blanks in our CBD.

[houstonsemipro]

I am so excited about this project.  What a great way to create density within the central business district.  This will surely add a much needed connection between Main Street and the East End.

One thing though, I do not like that website.  You can not look at any of the rendering in detail. The towers will be office or residential?

I am guessing that the "central park" the city is planning will be at the Eastern end of this project?  This should send downtown into critical mass in terms of entertainment choices.

Personally I would like to get to a point where we get rid of every surface parking lot in downtown.  The days of the downtown ghost town are over. It is time to fill in the blanks in our CBD.

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It will be both. Office and Residential.

[arche_757]

Wow the old render is 100010201230 times better than the "new render"

Looks like they forgot to add details to their VIZ/3DSMAX renders like, textures/real glass.....ect....ect....

just nit picking

But this would be great for downtown development.

[H-Town Man]

Wow the old render is 100010201230 times better than the "new render"

Looks like they forgot to add details to their VIZ/3DSMAX renders like, textures/real glass.....ect....ect....

just nit picking

But this would be great for downtown development.

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You're... back?

Where the heck've you been for two years?

There's light rail on main street now.

[texasboy]

Wow the old render is 100010201230 times better than the "new render"

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we really don't know yet. the new rendering is not as detailed and does not show the ground level shops.

[arche_757]

You're... back?

Where the heck've you been for two years?

There's light rail on main street now.

Yep - as to the old rendering being better - its true, granted they dont have that much detail on the new one, but hopefully its a work in progress.

[houstonsemipro]

I just found out that this project will not be built. Sorry fans. Another one bites the dust.

Okay, I'm just kiddin!

[arche_757]

I just found out that this project will not be built. Sorry fans. Another one bites the dust.

This is what we will all read in about 2 months. Projects like these never get off the ground in Houston.

[UrbaNerd]

He said he was kidding, dude!

[YakuzaIce]

nope.  kind of what i expected.

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I am guessing you still haven't. I sent one today asking when they think construction may start. I really hope that this project comes to fruition.

[houstonsemipro]

I call them before, and they told me construction may start around this fall. But, we will see.

[Sunstar]

I just don't see how any project that invloves building towers downtown could get off the ground. I think a shopping arcade would be sufficient.

[greystone08(returns)]

i called the number listed on the website and asked the lady who answered the phone if the project was really going to happen. She almost bit my head off and said, "Off course it'll happen!" She said there's going to be plenty of variety including House of Blues. Estimated time for completion: 2007.

I'm just like the next guy, I hope this isn't one of many other Houston projects that fall through but let's hope for the best!

[Guest Professional Hornblower]

I also called the number, I must have had the same lady- she did say there would be A House of Blues, along with a T-shirt store, pet shop, UNOS pizza, teather ball court, and a laser tag area.

She said those were just some ideas of places taht would occupy the lower level.

[Sunstar]

I also called the number, I must have had the same lady- she did say there would be  A House of Blues, along with a T-shirt store, pet shop, UNOS pizza, teather ball court, and a laser tag area.

She said those were just some ideas of places taht would occupy the lower level.

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Teatherball? No kidding?

[yaga]

Teatherball? No kidding?

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SWEET!

[texasboy]

That is an interesting choice of tenants. I thought this was more clothing retail oriented like the one in Denver. Also I wonder what are the chances of Virgin Megastore building in downtown in this development. The one in Denver is pretty cool, but hopefully they will update the design.