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I originally thought that was going to be where Wulfe was going to develop a grocery store center. However, if you look on their site, there is nothing listed there anymore. When you say gone, do you mean demolished or just abondoned? Don't know if maybe somebody else is developing something there.

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Here is a quote from Danax in another thread from July:

....That old Stevenson and Stevenson plant on Harrisburg has been bought by Wulfe & Co, (Gulfgate, Meyerland and many others) and they're just waiting for a bonafide supermarket anchor before they begin to turn it into something.....

Maybe he knows if something has changed? Danax?

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Here is a quote from Danax in another thread from July:

Maybe he knows if something has changed?  Danax?

I had talked to Steven Tou at Wulfe & Co. quite awhile ago, maybe even a year ago, about plans there. He said that they were waiting for a major grocer to step up and anchor the site and "didn't want it to be a bunch of dollar stores". There was an HEB a couple of blocks away on Harrisburg that closed down about the same time Wulfe bought that land so maybe grocers are spooked. I have no idea if anything has changed with Wulfe's plans.

It's a transitional area so maybe it's still kind of early over there for what they envision. A lot of people are coming over from other parts of town to Eastwood, Warehouse Dist, Clinton Dr. and older East End neighborhoods but this stuff takes years. They know it's potentially one of the best corners on the East End, especially with Lockwood being the main route to the future Symphony Island, Botanic Gardens and all of the rest of the stuff they plan for the Bayou. The BRT will also go right past it.

I hope they can hold on.

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Latest on this project, from Houston Business Journal.

Ambitious project on hold as East End goes through transition

Houston Business Journal - March 31, 2006by Jennifer DawsonHouston Business Journal

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Developer Frank Liu's ambitious retail project planned for the East End still has not gotten off the ground. The cause of the delay could be that the project was a little ahead of its time.

Liu's company, Lovett Commercial Realty, acquired an old industrial site in 2004 with plans to develop retail, restaurants and a grocery store east of downtown Houston. The bulk of the project was slated for 16.5 acres on Harrisburg at Lockwood formerly occupied by the manufacturing operations of Stewart & Stevenson Services Inc. (See "Retail to replace landmark industrial complex," April 23, 2004.)

Elizabeth Jacob of Lovett Commercial says the project is on hold because retailers are not yet ready to commit to an area of town in transition. Gentrification is starting closer to downtown, Jacob says, and is slowly moving southeast toward the Harrisburg tract.

"It's taking hold, and it's going," she says.

Even though new residential properties are under development in nearby areas, Jacob says, the existing demographics have not convinced retailers to build in the area.

"It's going to be a very desirable area to live in," Jacob says. "It's just in transition."

The Houston East End Chamber of Commerce Web site says the downtown additions of Minute Maid Park, Toyota Center and the Metro light rail system have prompted more than 60 new residential and commercial developments in the area.

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"Well, our barbarians are energy costs," he said. "Energy costs are going to continue to rise and never get cheaper, and so it becomes more important to establish high-density city centers."

Building using energy efficient techniques would save energy whether it be high density or not.

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"I have so much faith and trust in the East End because I really think that one day, maybe soon, driving (cars) will not be cool anymore," said Frank Liu, director of Lovett Homes.

Liu said he's been working on that project with the Florida-based architect Andres Duany, a proponent of the "new urbanism" movement, which promotes walkability, mixed-income housing and sustainable development.

I know both of these guys have been criticized here and elsewhere, but at least it sounds like they're willing to give the urban/walkable idea a shot, and few others seem willing to.

It's good to see a developer get excited about the East End's potential. With the overall vastness of the area, the tracts of redevelopable land, low-barrier, low-crime nabes and a superior natural recreational future, the area is poised to become Houston's high-density boomtown for the moderate income masses.

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I see Stewart's & Stevenson's is gone. What will become of this corner in the future?

There was a very interesting aerial photo in one of the offices inside of Stewart & Stevenson. Lockwood was just 2 lanes and quite narrow. That old gas station was in the pic with cool classic cars filling up. That corner was all trees, across the street were big old homes. S & S was fun to work at while it lasted.

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don't go getting excited now, but I saw a 'CVS coming soon' sign today on the corner of Lockwood and Harrisburg.

Which was sort of funny, because I was coming back from the CVS at Cullen and Polk. Which sucks, by the way. How does a drugstore not have hydrogen peroxide? I understand I'm not gonna shop for makeup and bath salts in the 'hood, but come on.

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I was hoping they would build some residential units there but no. We have succumbed to CVS creep.

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I was hoping they would build some residential units there but no. We have succumbed to CVS creep.

Lovett is still working on true lifestyle retail for that site, but it may be a little while more in coming. It'll take a while to complete road work on Harrisburg, and by that time hopefully the entire retail sector won't be in quite such desperate financial circumstances.

If I had to guess, I'd imagine that the hard corner was going to get sold as a pad site, one way or the other. It's really too valuable not to parcel off.

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I was hoping they would build some residential units there but no. We have succumbed to CVS creep.

Oh no!...we're evolving into a suburb...eeek! B)

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Lovett is still working on true lifestyle retail for that site, but it may be a little while more in coming. It'll take a while to complete road work on Harrisburg, and by that time hopefully the entire retail sector won't be in quite such desperate financial circumstances.

If I had to guess, I'd imagine that the hard corner was going to get sold as a pad site, one way or the other. It's really too valuable not to parcel off.

Perhaps something similar to the hardy rail yard project would be good for this location. Now all that must be done is to remove all the bloody railroad tracks from the middle of the neighborhood.

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Still hard to believe that the blasted Churche's Fried Chicken is still there! :o If they dropped the H bomb that place would still be in operation. The tiny old former 1930's gas station across the street is the only real thing of historical significance in that intersection. I worked very briefly at S & S around 1980 and my boss had an aerial view photo of that very interesection. There were classic cars filling up gas and Lockwood was like just 2 lanes! The homes there had much larger frontage property. City must have gobbled it up from them to widen back when. The building we worked in is gone.

That company used to employ many of the men/women from that neigborhood most would just walk in with lunch box in hand. Those were the days when you came out of the military, got married and got a job right there and stayed for decades. Something you wont see ever again. I can still hear that whistle blow to take a break, lunch and go home. Bygone era.

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This confirms the rumors we've heard for a a few months about a Ross.

Still plenty of room in there for a Verizon store and Payless Shoes! It's easy to be snarky... it is a vast improvement for the corner. I have to wonder, though, given the current economic climate. There's still a mostly empty, brand new strip center just down Harrisburg.

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I have to wonder, though, given the current economic climate. There's still a mostly empty, brand new strip center just down Harrisburg.

Along that line of thought: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6126675.html

But the vacant strip center at Harrisburg and the railroad tracks is in a terrible location with poor accessibility and was not even designed to have an anchor store. It was built completely on spec and they tried to lease up even as METRO was hyping the East End LRT corridor, which any retailer knows is a death sentence while the street gets reconstructed. And since then it has become known that that retail center will be in the shadow of an overpass.

Comparing Lovett's situation to that of this non-starter is to compare a just-picked apple to a rancid, moldy orange.

lol! my non-indigenous ass has got plenty of t-shirts and pants from Ross. I guess I picked the right hood.

I'm not indigineous either, and I just bought a pair of jeans and a new belt at the Ross in Meyerland yesterday.

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as someone who may have some infuence on what happens to that old, ugly car lot on lockwood and harrisburg, across the street from the old s&s. what do yall suggest for a business there? i was thinking a full service gas station, car wash, inspection, food mart type set up. any other suggestions would be appreciated. thanks.

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"CVS creep" LOL

I know I live in the Med Cent and everything, but on my 3 mile drive to Rice Villages for work I pass THREE CVS's an TWO Walgreens. I also pass 3 Lubys. It's a little crazy.

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This CVS, etc is going up quick! This may sound crazy but that is the best thing that has happened to that specific area in hmmm about 40 plus years. There should be as much fanfare/media glitz when it opens like they do in Las Vegas when they open a new Hotel/Casino!

Now to continue the new growth in all 4 directions. Dreaming I know. :rolleyes:

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as someone who may have some infuence on what happens to that old, ugly car lot on lockwood and harrisburg, across the street from the old s&s. what do yall suggest for a business there? i was thinking a full service gas station, car wash, inspection, food mart type set up. any other suggestions would be appreciated. thanks.

A nice cafe ala Brasil. Would have nice view of the DT skyline and the Metro rail...just my 2 pesos.

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Hello,

My husband and I were in Houston a couple of weeks ago and looked at several houses in Eastwood. We met the owner of Garland Company and were able to see his homes under renovation as well. We were quite impressed with him and the quality of his work. We are particularly interested in a home on Rusk that is being restored. This home backs to the new retail area.

How do you think the new retail could impact the home? (Some of our concerns are things like bright lights lighting the parking lot, increased pedestrian activity close to the house, other potential businesses that could go in, etc). Or could the new retail bring potential benefits?

I recognize there is some distance between the house and the retail center but I can't quite remember how much.

Thank you in advance for your opinions and comments.

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Hello,

My husband and I were in Houston a couple of weeks ago and looked at several houses in Eastwood. We met the owner of Garland Company and were able to see his homes under renovation as well. We were quite impressed with him and the quality of his work. We are particularly interested in a home on Rusk that is being restored. This home backs to the new retail area.

How do you think the new retail could impact the home? (Some of our concerns are things like bright lights lighting the parking lot, increased pedestrian activity close to the house, other potential businesses that could go in, etc). Or could the new retail bring potential benefits?

I recognize there is some distance between the house and the retail center but I can't quite remember how much.

Thank you in advance for your opinions and comments.

That's great that you looked at some of his houses in the neighborhhood--you are correct he does nice work--not your typical flips! We apprectiate that he is working with houses that would otherwise be destined for demolition. (you should have the seen the one one Walker St before he started the job!)

Neighbors on Rusk that we've talked to (they are right the old warehouse space) are not concerned. Keep in mind there's a railroad between Rusk and and the site-- in your backyard, essentially. There seems to be agreement that it will be safer and nicer all the way around with the retail as opposed to empty space. Depending on the lot you're looking at, there is some quite heavy brush between the Rusk street homes, the rail, and the warehouse. There's already a lot of foot and bike traffic in the area from people who live there, and the bus is well utilized, which might increase once the stores are in--but less so on Rusk than other streets.

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That's great that you looked at some of his houses in the neighborhhood--you are correct he does nice work--not your typical flips! We apprectiate that he is working with houses that would otherwise be destined for demolition. (you should have the seen the one one Walker St before he started the job!)

Neighbors on Rusk that we've talked to (they are right the old warehouse space) are not concerned. Keep in mind there's a railroad between Rusk and and the site-- in your backyard, essentially. There seems to be agreement that it will be safer and nicer all the way around with the retail as opposed to empty space. Depending on the lot you're looking at, there is some quite heavy brush between the Rusk street homes, the rail, and the warehouse. There's already a lot of foot and bike traffic in the area from people who live there, and the bus is well utilized, which might increase once the stores are in--but less so on Rusk than other streets.

Yes, we liked the quality of his work very much, plus he is a nice person - someone you would feel comfortable doing business with.

We liked Eastwood quite a lot and could see ourselves really enjoying the neighborhood and location. There are still a couple of things that we are weighing pros and cons about. We are also trying to keep an open mind about other neighborhoods/areas too, but we do keep on coming back to this one. So we are trying to do all the research we can. When I saw this thread regarding the retail, I thought it would be a good place to pose this particular question.

Maybe I shouldn't have said pedestrian activity, I guess loitering would have been a better word. It would be weird to think about people just standing around behind your house or something (not that they would, but it was just something that crossed our minds).

Thank you very much for your comments. It is good to know other people on the street don't seem concerned.

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Is the property description really "Gentrification Area"?

 

As well, I'm surprised it says "4 story parking garage". I somehow doubt that actually happens.

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The immediate area has changed a little but I think the gentrification the flyer is referring to is most likely Eastwood and EaDo. I have my doubts about this getting built too, but I get a feeling the Joe V's probably will get done and a maybe a few of the random pad sites. The office space just seems too over ambitious to me.

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I observed what appears to be construction / excavation on this site. Last flyer I saw from Lovett Commercial (Frank Liu) shows the Ross, office space, and a couple of pad sites, no Joe V's. Ill try to get some pictures here soon.

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They're literally breaking ground on a neighborhood center for this site! Construction trailer is in and so are some holes in the ground! 

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I've heard rumors that Frank Liu was in the process of dealing with the city and east end to build a garage on this site which also

happens to include the neighborhood center. :-)

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What a great location for east end folks if it comes through. Its almost unfortunate that the CVS takes up so much real estate on the corner there, but early bird gets the worm.

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So essentially this will be a Baker-Ripley campus? Isn't Ripley House already close by? It's a nice building but we desperately need a new grocery store. 

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On 6/14/2017 at 0:12 PM, intencity77 said:

So essentially this will be a Baker-Ripley campus? Isn't Ripley House already close by? It's a nice building but we desperately need a new grocery store. 

 

considering I was able to walk in, get what I needed and walk out in 15 minutes from combat kroger yesterday afternoon about 5, do we?

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7 hours ago, samagon said:

 

considering I was able to walk in, get what I needed and walk out in 15 minutes from combat kroger yesterday afternoon about 5, do we?

 

Depends on the particular individual. Some East Enders are more than happy with a small, mediocre Kroger, others would like to see other options. So yes, IMO, we do.

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A very large mobile crane arrived three/four days ago and tilt wall construction has now begun. I can only hope there will be some type of retail slots on the bottom floor, being as this project is at a rail station. 

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