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Just saw a sign up on the building that once housed Vivianns nightclub. I sure do love that purple building. Our local homeless man always talks about when Vivianns and the Black Cat were the places to be on a saturday night! Wonder what exciting new hipster bar is coming soon?

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5-story structure proposed somewhere along Washington.  

Your link didn't work, but I was able to find... Unfortunate that none of their project renderings have any detail (location, status, builder, etc). Maybe they're all conceptual?

Nah, the baby is so heavy, the stroller sinks into the pavement.

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Just saw a sign up on the building that once housed Vivianns nightclub. I sure do love that purple building. Our local homeless man always talks about when Vivianns and the Black Cat were the places to be on a saturday night! Wonder what exciting new hipster bar is coming soon?

Viviana's has a new location on Dacoma. The old location was slated for re-development. Guess that all fell through.

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Maybe it's the same one, but I just got word that a new bar on Washington near T.C. Jester is having a soft opening tomorrow night...no word yet on the name though...

edit - oops, this one is supposed to be on T.C. Jester near Washington...

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i was told last week that there's something like 87 liquor permits in the pipeline for the wash. corridor.

There are 133 TABC permits in the 77007 zip code, including some for places that I'm not yet aware of. ...but a lot of places have multiple permits (Spec's, for instance). And browsing the list and looking at what is already there, I just can't think of where that many new establishments would go!

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There are 133 TABC permits in the 77007 zip code, including some for places that I'm not yet aware of. ...but a lot of places have multiple permits (Spec's, for instance). And browsing the list and looking at what is already there, I just can't think of where that many new establishments would go!

Is there an online link of that list? I'm curious to see the potential new places.

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Is there an online link of that list? I'm curious to see the potential new places.

Yep, just google for TABC and prod around on their page. Their information is cumbersome, but fiddle around with it and you can get it to work in Excel.

You can also look at reported violations. Those can be interesting.

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Yep, just google for TABC and prod around on their page. Their information is cumbersome, but fiddle around with it and you can get it to work in Excel.

You can also look at reported violations. Those can be interesting.

Thanks TheNiche.

So does this list include places that haven't opened as well? I saw there was a "Pub on Washington" (I'm assuming this is Pub Fiction?) at 5102 Washington and a "Tap's House of Beers" at 5120 Washington, but I've never seen either. Why would they get a license before they open? Also, has anyone heard anything about Tap's House of Beers? This sounds like an interesting place.

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So does this list include places that haven't opened as well? I saw there was a "Pub on Washington" (I'm assuming this is Pub Fiction?) at 5102 Washington and a "Tap's House of Beers" at 5120 Washington, but I've never seen either. Why would they get a license before they open?

Maybe because a bar couldn't really open without first having a license. Just my guess; I don't have any background in the restaurant/bar business.

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Maybe because a bar couldn't really open without first having a license. Just my guess; I don't have any background in the restaurant/bar business.

Correct. To be more precise, they could open, but could not sell alcohol without the license. Most would consider that bad for business. It should be noted that the procurement of a license can take from 1 month to several months, depending on numerous factors, such as background checks on the bar owners, and distance that the front door (or property line) sits from churches, schools and other protected places in the statutes. Plus, both the city and the county must sign off on the permit before TABC will issue it. If there are problems, one must do battle with the city or county or TABC, including potential lawsuits to overturn a negative ruling.

Not knowing if any of these factors will come into play makes it good business to secure the permit BEFORE spending money on buildout.

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Correct. To be more precise, they could open, but could not sell alcohol without the license. Most would consider that bad for business. It should be noted that the procurement of a license can take from 1 month to several months, depending on numerous factors, such as background checks on the bar owners, and distance that the front door (or property line) sits from churches, schools and other protected places in the statutes. Plus, both the city and the county must sign off on the permit before TABC will issue it. If there are problems, one must do battle with the city or county or TABC, including potential lawsuits to overturn a negative ruling.

Not knowing if any of these factors will come into play makes it good business to secure the permit BEFORE spending money on buildout.

Interesting, good to know.

So it's safe to assume that if a place has a permit it should be opening sometime in the near future? It'd be nice to have some place within walking distance to get a beer :D . Cova's not bad, but sometimes (ok, most of the time) I rather just have a nice cold beer.

I didn't see Benjy's on that list of TABC permits. Aren't they opening up this month?

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I heard that there is a Men's Club slated for Washington, somewhere between Pearl Bar & Candelari's. Allegedly a sign was posted yesterday about an application for a liquor license.

Please tell me that you're kidding...Where did you hear this and if you have anymore details, please do provide.

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I heard that there is a Men's Club slated for Washington, somewhere between Pearl Bar & Candelari's. Allegedly a sign was posted yesterday about an application for a liquor license.

Doubt it. Seriously doubt it. The new distance restrictions for SOBs would not allow it.

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From what I can tell, in 2008, original mixed beverage licenses were issued for the following in 77007 or 77008:

152 Bronx Bar - 152 Bronx LP - 4520 Washington Avenue (two blocks east of Shepherd)

Benjy's on Washington - Mabra Inc. - 5922 Washington Avenue (about a block east of the Wescott roundabout)

Block 21 - Air Bar Partners Ltd. - 2420 Washington Avenue Suite B (just west of Sawyer)

Blue Label Lounge - Rucker's Blue Label LLC - 4500 Washington Avenue Suite 300 (three blocks east of Shepherd)

NOx - AADK Ventures LLC - 4701 Nett Street (two blocks north of Washington, just east of Shepherd)

Porch Swing Pub - Double G Entertainment Group L.L.C. - 69 Heights Boulevard (where Cosmos was)

Pub on Washington - Pub Heights LLC - 5102 Washington Avenue (two blocks west of Durham)

Rare Bar - Rare Bar L.P. - 700 Durham Drive (three blocks south of Washington)

Taps House of Beers - Daka Arms LLC - 5120 Washington Avenue (four blocks west of Shepherd)

Terlingua Texas Border Cafe - 920 Interests Inc. - 920 Studemont Suite 900 (in the strip center at Washington and Studemont)

Viet Restaurant - P.M. Cheng LLC - 3600 Kirby Dr Suite H (can't tell what the 77007 connection is)

Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar - Applebee's Restaurants Texas LLC - 2959 N Loop 610 West

Bedford - Bedford Group LP - 1001 Studewood (Studewood at 10th)

Big Star Bar - Out On The Tiles LLC - 1005 W 19th Street (west of Durham)

Cedar Creek Cafe - Cedar Creek Cafe LLC - 1034 W 20th Street (west of Durham - listed as 77007 for some reason)

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From what I can tell, in 2008, original mixed beverage licenses were issued for the following in 77007 or 77008:

152 Bronx Bar - 152 Bronx LP - 4520 Washington Avenue (two blocks east of Shepherd)

Benjy's on Washington - Mabra Inc. - 5922 Washington Avenue (about a block east of the Wescott roundabout)

Block 21 - Air Bar Partners Ltd. - 2420 Washington Avenue Suite B (just west of Sawyer)

Blue Label Lounge - Rucker's Blue Label LLC - 4500 Washington Avenue Suite 300 (three blocks east of Shepherd)

NOx - AADK Ventures LLC - 4701 Nett Street (two blocks north of Washington, just east of Shepherd)

Porch Swing Pub - Double G Entertainment Group L.L.C. - 69 Heights Boulevard (where Cosmos was)

Pub on Washington - Pub Heights LLC - 5102 Washington Avenue (two blocks west of Durham)

Rare Bar - Rare Bar L.P. - 700 Durham Drive (three blocks south of Washington)

Taps House of Beers - Daka Arms LLC - 5120 Washington Avenue (four blocks west of Shepherd)

Terlingua Texas Border Cafe - 920 Interests Inc. - 920 Studemont Suite 900 (in the strip center at Washington and Studemont)

Viet Restaurant - P.M. Cheng LLC - 3600 Kirby Dr Suite H (can't tell what the 77007 connection is)

Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar - Applebee's Restaurants Texas LLC - 2959 N Loop 610 West

Bedford - Bedford Group LP - 1001 Studewood (Studewood at 10th)

Big Star Bar - Out On The Tiles LLC - 1005 W 19th Street (west of Durham)

Cedar Creek Cafe - Cedar Creek Cafe LLC - 1034 W 20th Street (west of Durham - listed as 77007 for some reason)

This neighborhood is going to love that Applebee's.

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So does this list include places that haven't opened as well? I saw there was a "Pub on Washington" (I'm assuming this is Pub Fiction?) at 5102 Washington and a "Tap's House of Beers" at 5120 Washington, but I've never seen either. Why would they get a license before they open? Also, has anyone heard anything about Tap's House of Beers? This sounds like an interesting place.

Those two places are supposedly opening down the street from my house, and there were signs for a liquor license up a couple months ago, but they have been gone recently. There has been lots of work and cleaning out done to those 2 buildings. I hope they keep the buildings and put the bars inside. Right now, we do a lot of walking to Cahill's and Max's, so having somewhere closer to us would be nice. Just hope it's doesn't get too super-trendy crowded like The Drake...

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Those two places are supposedly opening down the street from my house, and there were signs for a liquor license up a couple months ago, but they have been gone recently. There has been lots of work and cleaning out done to those 2 buildings. I hope they keep the buildings and put the bars inside. Right now, we do a lot of walking to Cahill's and Max's, so having somewhere closer to us would be nice. Just hope it's doesn't get too super-trendy crowded like The Drake...

It actually wouldn't bother me if the bars never showed up and some top notch restaurants decided to take their place. Bars seem to come and go a lot faster than restaurants do, not to mention they tend to attract a certain demographic (i.e. DWI's, street urinations, etc). I actually went by Pagoda (behind Cadillac Bar) the other day and it is marketed as a bistro/bar, which seemed pretty interesting.

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The bars and niteclubs are part of the natural progression of the strip. The bar and niteclub owners come and and retrofit the buildings for use as bars, installing infrastructure such as plumbing and electricity. After they run their course, they move on, leaving a structure that is easily converted to restaurant use. The marketing done by bars and niteclubs also establishes the strip as a center of evening commerce. While the niteclubs can be slightly (or largely) annoying during their time on the strip, within several years they will have largely moved on, and restaurants will replace them. This process has been repeated in numerous locales around town, and there is no reason to suspect that it will not also occur on Washington.

Hang tough. You will easily outlast the trendiness.

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I heard that there is a Men's Club slated for Washington, somewhere between Pearl Bar & Candelari's. Allegedly a sign was posted yesterday about an application for a liquor license.

Close, but not really correct. There is a pseudo "gentlemen's club" place going in, but it will not have to have an SOB permit (meaning no topless girls). Their TABC notice sign has been up since September or so. They were slated to open in November, but due to permitting, Ike, etc. it has taken longer.

Benjy's should open in the next 2 weeks, so that will bring more good food to the area. Personally, I think he'll do well in that location.

Nox has the same owners of Kobain, so fans of that joint should be pleased here.

Bedford, Big Star Bar, Block 21, and Cedar Creek are all now open.

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It appears as though notices have been posted on buildings and land is being cleared (and buildings cleaned out) on the South side of Washington in between Lester and Detering (just East of the CVS) as well as the same side of the street one block closer to downtown (in b/w Lester and Reinerman -- the purple building). These are both pretty good sized lots, especially the United Hardware lot in b/w Lester and Detering.

Anyone know what is going in there? Please tell me it's not the titter that was referenced earlier in this thread.

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Close, but not really correct. There is a pseudo "gentlemen's club" place going in, but it will not have to have an SOB permit (meaning no topless girls). Their TABC notice sign has been up since September or so. They were slated to open in November, but due to permitting, Ike, etc. it has taken longer.

Any idea of the exact location of this pseudo "gentlemen's club"?

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I'm thinking more upscale burlesque than trailer park bikini bar (no offense to my trailer park friends). If the entertainers have strategically placed clothing, then no SOB is required. Keep in mind, the Pussycat Dolls have made millions by being "strippers with clothes on."

As far as the lot near CVS goes... I'll have to do some digging and see what I can come up with.

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I'm thinking more upscale burlesque than trailer park bikini bar (no offense to my trailer park friends). If the entertainers have strategically placed clothing, then no SOB is required. Keep in mind, the Pussycat Dolls have made millions by being "strippers with clothes on."

As far as the lot near CVS goes... I'll have to do some digging and see what I can come up with.

Oh, I do so love America and our faux morals. It is so much more fascinating than reality. :)

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Traffic looks horrible around 2am. So do all the people trashing, parking and pissing in my yard. It is no fun to live anywhere close to washington anymore on the weekends.

But is there prostitution in the yard also? You need to talk to those Garden Oaks people with the bus stop problem, see how that sign worked out for them. Or put up a huge electric fence, with sniper towers and a moat with gators. And children of the corn.

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and what's the latest on Taps? I was told that the guy that owns Kobain's was putting this one in.

They have a fence up around where it will supposedly be (5120 Washington @ Reinerman - where the alcohol permit was posted a few months ago), and have been working on it more and more... I'm hearing "early 2009" for it to open.

Also, next door has a fence up too - "A&J Auto Repair" @ 5102 Washington - it's supposed to become the "Pub on Washington" - not sure if they are one in the same, or 2 separate places.

Either way, someone cleared the lot a month-ish ago across Roy from these two buildings - I'm thinking/hoping that will be parking for the bars. They will definitely need parking!

Other new places:

Block 21 - 2420 Washington Ave (open)

NOx - 4701 Nett St (dance club - early 2009)

Rare Bar - 700 Durham (not sure when it opens...)

BRC - a "gastro-pub" - Shepherd, near Washington (Spring 2009)

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They have a fence up around where it will supposedly be (5120 Washington @ Reinerman - where the alcohol permit was posted a few months ago), and have been working on it more and more... I'm hearing "early 2009" for it to open.

Also, next door has a fence up too - "A&J Auto Repair" @ 5102 Washington - it's supposed to become the "Pub on Washington" - not sure if they are one in the same, or 2 separate places.

Either way, someone cleared the lot a month-ish ago across Roy from these two buildings - I'm thinking/hoping that will be parking for the bars. They will definitely need parking!

Other new places:

Block 21 - 2420 Washington Ave (open)

NOx - 4701 Nett St (dance club - early 2009)

Rare Bar - 700 Durham (not sure when it opens...)

BRC - a "gastro-pub" - Shepherd, near Washington (Spring 2009)

Pub on Washington will be "Pub Fiction"#2, same owners

NE Corner of Roy and Washington will be a parking a lot for the time being

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i sure hope washington ave doesnt become the next richmond strip.

rice millitary is a great area today but how many people want to buy $350k+ homes with that many bars? some can get use to the trains but loud, obnoxious drunks from around 10 pm until 2:30? compound that with parking in the neighborhood, on narrow streets, and minimal street lights. it's a recipe for hit and runs, trash in front yards, public urination, and such..

and as a side note, i know someone who recently went to pearl bar. when she left with a friend (another female), the bouncer requested a security guard escort them to their cars. said there have been a couple assaults and it was a preventative measure.

/debbie downer

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rice millitary is a great area today but how many people want to buy $350k+ homes with that many bars? some can get use to the trains but loud, obnoxious drunks from around 10 pm until 2:30?

While I agree with your statement 100%, I do want to add that before moving to Houston I used to live in Jackson Square in the French Quarter of New Orleans. And yes, I had to deal with the drunks at 2am who thought it was cool to smash bottles on the street. And as far as drunks go, Washington Ave will never compare to the Quarter. However, set aside the annoying habits of the non-residents, it was still a fantastic place to live and the positives far outweighed the negatives.

So, I guess all I'm saying is if Washington Ave becomes a popular place for the right reasons (define 'right' in your own terms) then the residents will tolerate a small negative in exchange for an overwhelming positive.

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