Can Obama Win Texas?

[Daniepwils]

A vote cast is never a waste!!!! I am voting for Nader. It is funny, every person has responded with "why are you voting for him, that is a waste of a vote" when asked who will I vote for.

Edited October 14, 2008 by Daniepwils

[crunchtastic]

Move to Cuba! Marxist!

Red, you dirty marxist you, if you go, bring me back some of that good Cuban rum.

[RedScare]

Move to Cuba! Marxist!

Why would I need to if Marxism is coming here?

...though I have to admit, the thought of good rum, fine cigars, and hot Cuban chicks IS tempting!

Edited October 14, 2008 by RedScare

[west20th]

Move to Cuba! Marxist!

When McCain loses maybe you can move to Alaska and join the separatist movement with the "first dude".

Edited October 14, 2008 by west20th

[Trae]

It's a running joke ed. Trae said the polls "didn't matter" when McCain was in the lead a couple of weeks ago, and that only the electoral college website mattered at that point, and the rest of the Libs. here agreed. Now, when Obama is back on top, the polls are in play again ? It's just very amusing.

Do you see me posting Gallup polls? Nope. I've always posted the Electoral Map closer to the election.

[TJones]

Do you see me posting Gallup polls? Nope. I've always posted the Electoral Map closer to the election.

Did I say YOU put them in play again ? I was simply pointing out how your minions don't listen to you.

[editor]

OK, let's get this back on topic -- Obama and Texas, specifically.

[houstonmacbro]

I don't think he will win Texas, but I don't think the spread is going to be as much of a slam dunk as in the past 2 elections.

[Disastro]

When McCain loses maybe you can move to Alaska and join the separatist movement with the "first dude".

Oh, I won't need to move for that. Once Obama and the DC Marxist goon squad start stripping freedoms away and redistributing wealth -- you'll see a nation-wide "separatist movement". Texas might be the epicenter of that.

Keep your seatbelts on, Marxists.There's still a silent majority out here that won't tolerate a Marxist USA. You're going to see that roughly 50% of the country that isn't brainwashed by the Obama Marxist (assuming he gets in the White House) take the proper and appropriate steps if he (and his cronies up in DC) decides to go crazy up there with the Marxism.

You'll see.

Edited October 15, 2008 by Disastro

[Trae]

Oh, I won't need to move for that. Once Obama and the DC Marxist goon squad start stripping freedoms away and redistributing wealth -- you'll see a nation-wide "separatist movement". Texas might be the epicenter of that.

Keep your seatbelts on, Marxists.There's still a silent majority out here that won't tolerate a Marxist USA. You're going to see that roughly 50% of the country that isn't brainwashed by the Obama Marxist take the proper and appropriate steps if he (and his cronies up in DC) decides to go crazy up there with the Marxism.

You'll see.

Good for you son. Good for you.

[N Judah]

He's got about a 10% chance of taking Texas, according to Intrade.

You guys are too late to secede. Wealth has been redistributed ever since the federal income tax was instated. This probably has more to do with something else. Can't you all just go back to blaming ACORN for everything?

[crunchtastic]

There's still a silent majority out here that won't tolerate a Marxist USA.

Why stay silent? I'd really like to see you out in the middle of Dicovery Green with a megaphone, advocating for the deployment of tactical nukes to send a message to the Islamic fascists. Come on out in public and brief us on the 'proper and appropriate steps' you and your fellow patriots who make up this alleged 'majority' intend to take. Why not get all Martin Luther on us. Come on out and post your plan up on the video screens outside Houston Pavillions, and let the revolt begin.

I'd love to see all the freeper bunker trolls come out of hiding. I could even be persuaded to pay a cover charge for that.

[RedScare]

Keep your seatbelts on, Marxists.There's still a silent majority out here that won't tolerate a Marxist USA. You're going to see that roughly 50% of the country that isn't brainwashed by the Obama Marxist (assuming he gets in the White House) take the proper and appropriate steps if he (and his cronies up in DC) decides to go crazy up there with the Marxism.

You'll see.

Sure hope they can do their math better than you do.

[west20th]

Oh, I won't need to move for that. Once Obama and the DC Marxist goon squad start stripping freedoms away and redistributing wealth -- you'll see a nation-wide "separatist movement". Texas might be the epicenter of that.

Keep your seatbelts on, Marxists.There's still a silent majority out here that won't tolerate a Marxist USA. You're going to see that roughly 50% of the country that isn't brainwashed by the Obama Marxist (assuming he gets in the White House) take the proper and appropriate steps if he (and his cronies up in DC) decides to go crazy up there with the Marxism.

You'll see.

What are those "proper and appropriate steps"?

[editor]

If they're not about Texas, then they're off topic.

[Trae]

What are those "proper and appropriate steps"?

Well, to stay on topic, the crazies from Texas will head on over to DC and I assume attempt an assassination on Obama.

[VicMan]

I wonder how long Texas will remain firmly GOP.

Keep in mind that:

* Cities are expanding, and so more Democrat-leaning people settle in inner cities in Texas

* South Texas is expanding, and many in South Texas lean towards Democrats

* Many rural Republican communities are fading away, so the suburbs of large cities become the major powerhouses of the GOP

[Disastro]

What are those "proper and appropriate steps"?

As I said -- If they try forcing Marxism on this country you'll see. There's no point in outlining anything on a purely speculative scenario.

That would just play into your socialist hands.

The crazy ones are the sheep like you and Trae who would gladly hand over your rights to a Marxist and happily watch this country be destroyed from the inside out. Crazy is refusing to believe or consider the record and past of a dangerous "manchurian candidate" like Obama.

Are you people on drugs?I'm truly struggling with the notion that there are that many stupid people out there. Please tell me it's drugs that are to blame...

Edited October 15, 2008 by Disastro

[N Judah]

Troll troll troll. And not even a good one, at that.

[sevfiv]

Are you people on drugs?I'm truly struggling with the notion that there are that many stupid people out there. Please tell me it's drugs that are to blame...

The incessant labelling of certain posters as Marxist/other names and generalizing are getting tired and are rude. Please use some consideration when posting.

[plumber2]

I think it doubtful that Obama will win Texas. Most democrats in Texas tend to vote for the Republican presidential candidate. They also tend to vote for the republican guebnatorial candidate which later comes back to bite them. My point being is that Hillary Clinton was able to win the popular vote in the Texas Democratic primary, but Obama was able to capture more delegates because of our unique delgate selection process.

Example: My precenct in Galveston County was allocated only 1 delegate and 1 alternate to the state convention. We sent a Clinton delgate and a Clinton alternate. A similar sized precent over in LaMarque was allocated 5 delegates and 5 alternates, because the rules allocate delegates by how many voters in that precenct voted for the democratic guebnatorial candidate in previous general election. Black voters are very loyal, and therefore always vote for the democratic candidate, insuring a larger piece of the convention delegates in the next primary season. (That precenct sent 5 Obama delgates and 5 Obama alternates to the state convention. The 5 alternates all eventually got seated as Obama delegates because so many Clinton delgates apparently lost interest and did not attend).

But McCain will probably win Texas easily.

[Disastro]

The incessant labelling of certain posters as Marxist/other names and generalizing are getting tired and are rude. Please use some consideration when posting.

Yeah, let's get an early start on the "thought policing" that will go "warp ten" once Obama gets in office...

I'll pass. I find censorship and thought policing to be *beyond* rude myself.

Look, since I am going to call em as I see em, maybe it's best I not post here at the political threads (at least).

My (fact based) views aren't changing anymore than the earth is going to stop orbiting the sun.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Disastro

[westguy]

Look, since I am going to call em as I see em, maybe it's best I not post here at the political threads (at least).

Yes, that would be best.

[sevfiv]

Requesting a poster to be considerate is not thought-policing or censorship.

Your views and the right to express them are fine - it's the name calling and rudeness (that have created several complaints) that need to take a hike.

Yeah, let's get an early start on the "thought policing" that will go "warp ten" once Obama gets in office...

I'll pass. I find censorship and thought policing to be *beyond* rude myself.

Look, since I am going to call em as I see em, maybe it's best I not post here at the political threads (at least).

My (fact based) views aren't changing anymore than the earth is going to stop orbiting the sun.

[Disastro]

Requesting a poster to be considerate is not thought-policing or censorship.

Your views and the right to express them are fine - it's the name calling and rudeness (that have created several complaints) that need to take a hike.

Cool...agreed on your second point...

[editor]

Yeah, let's get an early start on the "thought policing" that will go "warp ten" once Obama gets in office...

I'll pass. I find censorship and thought policing to be *beyond* rude myself.

Look, since I am going to call em as I see em, maybe it's best I not post here at the political threads (at least).

My (fact based) views aren't changing anymore than the earth is going to stop orbiting the sun.

If you can't find a way to express yourself in a more civil manner you will have your posting privilege restricted.

Posting on HAIF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege and it will be taken away.

[Disastro]

If you can't find a way to express yourself in a more civil manner you will have your posting privilege restricted.

Posting on HAIF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege and it will be taken away.

Editor,

Read post #75. We've moved on.

If we can't agree, then perhaps I should just voluntarily close my membership here right now.

Post #75 is the best you're going to get from me. I am trying to be reasonable.

End of subject.

[KinkaidAlum]

Please don't close this thread about TEXAS and the possibility of Obama winning. It is far too amusing to disappear.

To stay on topic, I don't think Obama has a chance in Texas but there are several red states from 2000 and 2004 that he can and will win.

Obama has leads outside of the margin of error in New Mexico, Iowa, and Virginia. He also has narrower leads in Colorado, Nevada, North Dakota, Missouri, Ohio, and Florida. And, he's tied in North Carolina.

He's trailing, but just barely, in Indiana and West Virginia and he's making huge inroads in Georgia and Montana.

What is interesting is he is no longer actively campaigning in North Dakota and Georgia and he never was actively campaigning in West Virginia (although, West Virginians get media market feed from Ohio, Penn. and Virginia).

[VicMan]

I think it doubtful that Obama will win Texas. Most democrats in Texas tend to vote for the Republican presidential candidate.

Plumber, by this you mean rural Democrats, correct?

I would imagine that urban Democrats would vote Obama.

[HtownWxBoy]

I'm a libertarian who almost always votes Democrat... I will be voting for Obama in this election... I don't expect Texas to go for Obama but I still want my voice heard. I am originally from PA... my vote would have counted much more up there! ha ha

[Disastro]

I'm a libertarian who almost always votes Democrat... I will be voting for Obama in this election... I don't expect Texas to go for Obama but I still want my voice heard. I am originally from PA... my vote would have counted much more up there! ha ha

According to Democrat John Murtha...you must be a racist. He said there's a bunch of racists up there in PA.

You're either that or one of those gun-toting religious freaks that Obama was referring to?

No?

[HtownWxBoy]

According to Democrat John Murtha...you must be a racist. He said there's a bunch of racists up there in PA.

You're either that or one of those gun-toting religious freaks that Obama was referring to?

No?

I am from eastern PA... the better half!! ha ha ha Western PA (what Murtha was talking about) is a little bit more "backwards"... there are racist people there... but there are racist people everywhere, including where i grew up. Everyone thinks Pennsylvania is liberal b/c it's in the Northeast... the cities are very liberal, but most of the state is rural / suburban... these areas are obviously more conservative.

[houstonmacbro]

I am from eastern PA... the better half!! ha ha ha Western PA (what Murtha was talking about) is a little bit more "backwards"... there are racist people there... but there are racist people everywhere, including where i grew up. Everyone thinks Pennsylvania is liberal b/c it's in the Northeast... the cities are very liberal, but most of the state is rural / suburban... these areas are obviously more conservative.

Are people form rural areas more racist or just more conservative?

[memebag]

Are people form rural areas more racist or just more conservative?

If we're willing to generalize, I'll say both.

[Disastro]

If we're willing to generalize, I'll say both.

Oh those nasty conservatives!

And for such a "racist" country...there sure are a lot of white Obama supporters. How did this happen?

[barracuda]

Are people form rural areas more racist or just more conservative?

I would describe them as less educated and less informed. Like HtownWxBoy said, there are stark differences in states like Pennsylvania. I grew up near Philadelphia, and it was generally progressive and liberal-leaning, like much of the Northeast. But the the smaller working class towns, and especially the secluded towns in the Appalachian mountains, will make you feel like you've traveled back in time. It's as if these folks were cut off from the rest of society many years ago, and some of their prejudices still remain.

But I'm sure this is the case in all states. When people are far removed from the dynamics of cities and society in general, I imagine they are less apt to be concerned about progressive issues and less likely to have an accurate world view.

[Fringe]

[Disastro]

Koolaid?

Yeah, that's the truth!

[HtownWxBoy]

Are people form rural areas more racist or just more conservative?

People in rural areas are definitely more conservative (socially especially)... and sorry if this angers people but there is probably a higher percentage of those who are prejudice or racist in these rural areas. That's not saying everyone is racist... I am saying there is a higher percentage of those who are. This also doesn't mean all of these people want to join the KKK... they may not "hate", they just may not like or trust people of a different race b/c of things they believe are true. When you live in a more diverse area like a big city you tend to become more educated and open-minded b/c you are exposed to others who are different from you.

[editor]

People in rural areas are definitely more conservative (socially especially)... and sorry if this angers people but there is probably a higher percentage of those who are prejudice or racist in these rural areas. That's not saying everyone is racist... I am saying there is a higher percentage of those who are. This also doesn't mean all of these people want to join the KKK... they may not "hate", they just may not like or trust people of a different race b/c of things they believe are true. When you live in a more diverse area like a big city you tend to become more educated and open-minded b/c you are exposed to others who are different from you.

I think what you're describing is the effects of cultural isolation, not necessarily ruralism.

If you put a group of white people out in the woods to live, the stereotype is that they will learn to fear blacks from the city.

Similarly, though, if you have a group of blacks who don't venture to other parts of a city, they will learn to fear whites.

The inverse is also true.

If you have a group of white people in an enclave of a city who don't venture beyond their cultural boundaries they can learn to fear blacks (I think of my grandmother who lived in a very very white part of Brooklyn).

And if you put blacks in the sticks (think of the small black towns of Mississippi) they learn to fear whites.

The people inbetween who don't learn to fear another race, or learn to overcome that fear, aren't necessarily more educated or open-minded. They're just used to seeing other people and realize that there are more similarities than differences between different types of people.

All humans are products of their experiences, whether they live in the city or the country.

[sevfiv]

All humans are products of their experiences, whether they live in the city or the country.

I can't agree with you more - it's all about experience and exposure

[Disastro]

People in rural areas are definitely more conservative (socially especially)... and sorry if this angers people but there is probably a higher percentage of those who are prejudice or racist in these rural areas. That's not saying everyone is racist... I am saying there is a higher percentage of those who are. This also doesn't mean all of these people want to join the KKK... they may not "hate", they just may not like or trust people of a different race b/c of things they believe are true. When you live in a more diverse area like a big city you tend to become more educated and open-minded b/c you are exposed to others who are different from you.

So what yer sayin' is..."they ig-nert"!

Edited October 17, 2008 by Disastro

[HtownWxBoy]

I think what you're describing is the effects of cultural isolation, not necessarily ruralism.

Oh I totally agree.

So what yer sayin' is..."they ig-nert"!

Ha ha... yes, some are ig-nert.

[plumber2]

Plumber, by this you mean rural Democrats, correct?

I would imagine that urban Democrats would vote Obama.

Correct!

[therepguy]

Very insightful.

I think Bush should be the new baseline against which other Presidents will be measured. By that measure, either candidate is an improvement. It's just a matter of getting through the trough in the wake of all the Bush disasters. If the next President can survive that and turn things around, he will be judged a success.

Can it be ... an enlighten Texan?

I'm not alone!

...judged more along the lines of a true Saint! <Grin>