Can Obama Win Texas?

[citykid09]

Can Obama Win Texas?

Many Texas Republicans are telling Texas that if they vote for Obama its a waste because he is not going to win the state. But I here that if atleast 70% of Texas Democrats went out and voted for Obama, that he could win the state. What do you guys think?

[crunchtastic]

Can Obama Win Texas?

IMO, no.

But it does make one wonder, what would have to occur to cause a republican presidential candidate to lose Texas?

.....Other than a heretofore unseen mobilization of hispanic and young voters. Demographics could eventually swing the pendulum.

[TheNiche]

Can Obama Win Texas?

Many Texas Republicans are telling Texas that if they vote for Obama its a waste because he is not going to win the state. But I here that if atleast 70% of Texas Democrats went out and voted for Obama, that he could win the state. What do you guys think?

Nope. But you can take solice in that for every Democrat that doesn't show up out of resignation there is a Republican that isn't showing up out of complacency.

[TJones]

No.

[tanith27]

But I here that if atleast 70% of Texas Democrats went out and voted for Obama, that he could win the state.

I'll be doing my part thats for sure.

[Mark F. Barnes]

Can Obama Win Texas?

Many Texas Republicans are telling Texas that if they vote for Obama its a waste because he is not going to win the state. But I here that if atleast 70% of Texas Democrats went out and voted for Obama, that he could win the state. What do you guys think?

Well if they believe that their own vote is a waste, than I guess it is. If they need someone to tell them what their vote is worth or how to cast it, it actually is a waste. The way I see it is, a vote is meant to represent presence of thought and knowledge. It's meant to represent the the agenda of the person casting it, and what they believe is in their own best interest. If they can't decide that for themselves, then I guess it is a waste.

[Disastro]

God I hope not!

If that Marxist gets in the White House we are ALL going to be sorry. You Obama-zombies will be BEGGING for Bush back.

That's all I have to say about the Obamanation.

[barracuda]

I doubt it, but I bet it will be closer than the last two elections.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...-628.html#polls

[barracuda]

If that Marxist gets in the White House we are ALL going to be sorry. You Obama-zombies will be BEGGING for Bush back.

Very insightful.

I think Bush should be the new baseline against which other Presidents will be measured. By that measure, either candidate is an improvement. It's just a matter of getting through the trough in the wake of all the Bush disasters. If the next President can survive that and turn things around, he will be judged a success.

[TJones]

I doubt it, but I bet it will be closer than the last two elections.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...-628.html#polls

'Cuda I will have to disagree, it will be even further apart than the last two. No more of ACORN's medling, even "America's Team", The Dallas Cowboys, can't vote in two states. ACORN is under a full investigation now, and anyone "signed up" by them as a new voter will be cast aside. Good-bye Ohio Good-bye Florida, possibly Good-bye Illinois.

Edited October 13, 2008 by TJones

[editor]

Nope. But you can take solice in that for every Democrat that doesn't show up out of resignation there is a Republican that isn't showing up out of complacency.

College students (and high school student, too) like to make a lot of noise about how they're going to change the world "this election." But every time an election comes around they chant and make signs and hold rallies for three months, and then simply fail to vote.

Since MTV started all that "Rock the Vote" hype in the 90's voter turnout for 18-24-year-olds is down. It's all a bunch of noise and the kids don't even realize that they're being used by the corporations (the ones who sponsor these initiatives) and the political parties to do free advertising for them.

[Trae]

'Cuda I will have to disagree, it will be even further apart than the last two. No more of ACORN's medling, even "America's Team", The Dallas Cowboys, can't vote in two states. ACORN is under a full investigation now, and anyone "signed up" by them as a new voter will be cast aside. Good-bye Ohio Good-bye Florida, possibly Good-bye Illinois.

And Obama can still win without those states. That's how far ahead he is.

www.electoral-vote.com

[editor]

possibly Good-bye Illinois.

One can only hope. It'll certainly put a lot of people in their place. I don't know how many times I've had to explain to people that Illinois isn't really a blue state, it's just that Chicago is the tail that wags the dog. Looking at the electoral map from the 2004 election 100 of the 102 counties were red. Only Cook and I think Lake went blue, but it was enough to blow out the votes from all the other counties.

[TJones]

I actually need Obama to win this election so I can CASH IN !!! My fellow Republicans will spend money on cars regardless, but by having a Dem. as the talking head, it will enable the brainwashed sheople of the left to loosen up their purse strings a bit, because they will think all is well again.

Edited October 13, 2008 by TJones

[BryanS]

One can only hope. It'll certainly put a lot of people in their place. I don't know how many times I've had to explain to people that Illinois isn't really a blue state, it's just that Chicago is the tail that wags the dog. Looking at the electoral map from the 2004 election 100 of the 102 counties were red. Only Cook and I think Lake went blue, but it was enough to blow out the votes from all the other counties.

Thank God. And if you looked at Ohio in 2004... and looked at a 3-D rendering of the red vs. blue counties... The 3-D image kinda looked like a big blue middle finger, centered around Cincinnati. Unfortunately, it was not enough then to win Ohio. But perhaps the middle finger will be larger, more prominent this year.

I think this election is going to be just as tight as all other years, once Nov 4 rolls around.

Edited October 13, 2008 by BryanS

[TexasVines]

Thank God. And if you looked at Ohio in 2004... and looked at a 3-D rendering of the red vs. blue counties... The 3-D image kinda looked like a big blue middle finger, centered around Cincinnati. Unfortunately, it was not enough then to win Ohio. But perhaps the middle finger will be larger, more prominent this year.

I think this election is going to be just as tight as all other years, once Nov 4 rolls around.

yes lets all thank God that the corrupt and the welfare hags and the ignorant voted in droves for someone......America should aspire to be like New Orleans, Detroit, DC, Gary Indiana, East St. Louis and many of the other totally ghetto democratic strong holds

[editor]

I think this election is going to be just as tight as all other years, once Nov 4 rolls around.

I hope so. This is the first time in 20 years I haven't had to work election night. I'm looking forward to just watching it all on TV as a civilian.

[RedScare]

'Cuda I will have to disagree, it will be even further apart than the last two. No more of ACORN's medling, even "America's Team", The Dallas Cowboys, can't vote in two states. ACORN is under a full investigation now, and anyone "signed up" by them as a new voter will be cast aside. Good-bye Ohio Good-bye Florida, possibly Good-bye Illinois.

I must say that full investigations are much better than partial ones. It might also be useful to point out that it would be illegal to "cast aside" any legal voter registration, regardless who signed the voter up. Even if 99 voter registration cards were illegitimate, if the 100th registration is legit, the voter will be registered. So, no good-bye to Ohio (unless the GOP rigs the vote count again), no good-bye to Florida (unless the Republican Supreme Court jumps in to make it "fair"), and no good-bye to Illinois.

It might be instructional to listen to the words of everyone's favorite tax man, Paul Bettencourt. While Harris County Democratic voters set records in the primary, almost all of them had previously voted. There are not that many new voters signed up, especially compared to the total number of voters. What accounts for the surge is the voters who skipped previous elections due to apathy.

[TJones]

Red, they will most likely be tied up in the investigation, so in effect wouldn't they be cast aside. If one or 6,000 are in question, wouldn't they ALL be in question ? All the "hanging chads" are in ACORN's offices. This all goes to show that even when Dems. try to cheat, they still can't win.

Edited October 13, 2008 by TJones

[RedScare]

Red, they will most likely be tied up in the investigation, so in effect wouldn't they be cast aside. If one or 6,000 are in question, wouldn't they ALL be in question ? All the "hanging chads" are in ACORN's offices. This all goes to show that even when Dems. try to cheat, they still can't win.

Nope. It takes almost no time to verify a registration as that of a real person, as the voter must list identifying information, such as a DL or SSN. Once the registration is validated, it goes through. The investigation that takes time is finding out who turned in the invalid card, and whether the person did so with criminal intent.

Your theory is shot to hell.

Edited October 13, 2008 by RedScare

[editor]

Red, they will most likely be tied up in the investigation, so in effect wouldn't they be cast aside. If one or 6,000 are in question, wouldn't they ALL be in question ? All the "hanging chads" are in ACORN's offices. This all goes to show that even when Dems. try to cheat, they still can't win.

The exact method varies from location to location, but most places I've been, if there's a question about your legitimacy as a voter you are still allowed to cast a "provisional" ballot. I forget if that ballot/voter gets investigated later to determine legitimacy for the canvass, or if it ends up like the overseas votes in some areas -- only counted if there's a tie.

[sifuwong]

College students (and high school student, too) like to make a lot of noise about how they're going to change the world "this election." But every time an election comes around they chant and make signs and hold rallies for three months, and then simply fail to vote.

Since MTV started all that "Rock the Vote" hype in the 90's voter turnout for 18-24-year-olds is down. It's all a bunch of noise and the kids don't even realize that they're being used by the corporations (the ones who sponsor these initiatives) and the political parties to do free advertising for them.

True, but i think this election is gonna see many 20-24 yr olds unlike previous elections.

[westguy76]

To answer the original question NO

[TJones]

Nope. It takes almost no time to verify a registration as that of a real person, as the voter must list identifying information, such as a DL or SSN. Once the registration is validated, it goes through. The investigation that takes time is finding out who turned in the invalid card, and whether the person did so with criminal intent.

Your theory is shot to hell.

It's ok if it's shot to hell, using your 99 out of 100 logic, Acorn is most assuredly to lose over half of the registration names they tried so hard to make up. It's a win/win.

[N Judah]

I hope it's a landslide. A close victory for either side would destroy this country.

[RedScare]

It's ok if it's shot to hell, using your 99 out of 100 logic, Acorn is most assuredly to lose over half of the registration names they tried so hard to make up. It's a win/win.

More like a non-starter. Registering fake people does not create any actual votes, since the voter does not exist. A non-existent voter does not vote. Of more concern should be the polls showing McCain down 10 points in the race among likely voters. These are phone calls made to actual people who actually have voted in previous elections. If McCain cannot make up the deficit among REAL voters, the only use these fake registrations will have is for AM radio talk show hosts to blame for McCain's loss.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27155454/

[TJones]

Newsweek is at +14 and Zogby is at +4. I thought the polls didn't matter anymore ? Now they matter again when your Messiah is ahead, as usual.

[RedScare]

Newsweek is at +14 and Zogby is at +4. I thought the polls didn't matter anymore ? Now they matter again when your Messiah is ahead, as usual.

Man, Austin has made you bitter. Even McCain's own people admit that he is behind and it is a concern.

Seriously, TJ. I've been friends with you for a couple of years. If you are going to start twisting my words and name call me, I can ignore you just as I do some of the nutjobs on this board. I'd hate to do that with you. But, if you are going to attack me rather than my arguments, I'll do what I need to do. Many of my Republican friends have become increasingly vengeful as McCain tanks in the polls. I've been forced to become "unavailable" to them, at least until after the election. I hope you and I don't have to go there as well.

[barracuda]

I hope it's a landslide. A close victory for either side would destroy this country.

Don't forget that Bush was claiming he won by a mandate in 2004 with just 51% of the vote to Kerry's 48%. But you're right, the last thing anyone wants is a drawn out 2000 style ballot counting or an illegitimately won office.

[PapillionWyngs]

God, I hope not!

[citykid09]

True, but i think this election is gonna see many 20-24 yr olds unlike previous elections.

And I'm one of them!

[TJones]

Man, Austin has made you bitter. Even McCain's own people admit that he is behind and it is a concern.

Seriously, TJ. I've been friends with you for a couple of years. If you are going to start twisting my words and name call me, I can ignore you just as I do some of the nutjobs on this board. I'd hate to do that with you. But, if you are going to attack me rather than my arguments, I'll do what I need to do. Many of my Republican friends have become increasingly vengeful as McCain tanks in the polls. I've been forced to become "unavailable" to them, at least until after the election. I hope you and I don't have to go there as well.

What are you talking about ? I am quoting the poll's numbers. They are both in Obama's favor. I am not bitter, I am pissed that there is nobody worth a hoot running for President, maybe that is where the bitterness is coming in ? What did I call you, if you took offense to anyhting I have said, especially anything I said about you personally, I will apologize in front of everyone here. I honestly don't know what namecalling you are referring to.

If you are referring to the Sheople comment, man o'man, I thought you had thicker skin than that my friend.

Edited October 13, 2008 by TJones

[Mark F. Barnes]

What are you talking about ? I am quoting the poll's numbers. They are both in Obama's favor. I am not bitter, I am pissed that there is nobody worth a hoot running for President, maybe that is where the bitterness is coming in ? What did I call you, if you took offense to anyhting I have said, especially anything I said about you personally, I will apologize in front of everyone here. I honestly don't know what namecalling you are referring to.

If you are referring to the Sheople comment, man o'man, I thought you had thicker skin than that my friend.

You're just bitter because the shadow of your ass now weighd 30 pounds. Don't you dare blame that crap on Austin, maybe too many trips to the Oasis......

Maybe he's been in the Zacapa Centenario too much TJ

[TJones]

You're just bitter because the shadow of your ass now weighd 30 pounds. Don't you dare blame that crap on Austin, maybe too many trips to the Oasis......

Maybe he's been in the Zacapa Centenario too much TJ

How you doin' there Pot ? Hey Red, check out "slim" here trying to make fun of me. With friends like Mark......

[RedScare]

How you doin' there Pot ? Hey Red, check out "slim" here trying to make fun of me. With friends like Mark......

That is a bit scary. Haven't seen Mark doing any NutiSystem commercials recently.

TJ, I may have done a bit of a preemptive strike there, but the election just needs to hurry up and end. Like I said, McCain supporters are starting to get more personal, and as soon as I saw your post starting to go there, I decided to say something. Don't take it too personal. I have to refrain from calling McCain/Palin supporters morons and knuckle draggers, so you can refrain from calling me sheeple or messiah worshiper.

Fair enough?

Edited October 14, 2008 by RedScare

[KinkaidAlum]

yes lets all thank God that the corrupt and the welfare hags and the ignorant voted in droves for someone......America should aspire to be like New Orleans, Detroit, DC, Gary Indiana, East St. Louis and many of the other totally ghetto democratic strong holds

Nice list. You forgot to mention Boston, Providence, Hartford, New York City, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Honolulu as other totally ghetoo democratic strong holds!

[KinkaidAlum]

One can only hope. It'll certainly put a lot of people in their place. I don't know how many times I've had to explain to people that Illinois isn't really a blue state, it's just that Chicago is the tail that wags the dog. Looking at the electoral map from the 2004 election 100 of the 102 counties were red. Only Cook and I think Lake went blue, but it was enough to blow out the votes from all the other counties.

Um, which map are you looking at?

Kerry won 15 counties and Lake wasn't one of them.

Kerry carried several counties in St Louis' metro (Calhoun, Madison, and St Clair).

Kerry also carried Cook like you said. This is BIG since Cook County has a larger population than 29 states! Kerry carried over 70% of the vote here.

Kerry also won in other "urban areas" in the state; winning Peoria County and two counties in the Rock Island/Moline metro.

He also carried large university counties like Champaign (U of Illinois) and Jackson County (Southern Illinois U).

He managed to win a few rural counties too.

I look for Obama to win about 45 counties this go round.

[RedScare]

Nice list. You forgot to mention Boston, Providence, Hartford, New York City, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Honolulu as other totally ghetoo democratic strong holds!

He also left out Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, and Houston.

[editor]

I thought the polls didn't matter anymore ?

Both sides say that and everyone wants it to be true, but unfortunately well-run polls have a very good track record.

[TJones]

Both sides say that and everyone wants it to be true, but unfortunately well-run polls have a very good track record.

It's a running joke ed. Trae said the polls "didn't matter" when McCain was in the lead a couple of weeks ago, and that only the electoral college website mattered at that point, and the rest of the Libs. here agreed. Now, when Obama is back on top, the polls are in play again ? It's just very amusing.

Edited October 14, 2008 by TJones

[KinkaidAlum]

Up until 2000 and 2004, polls were almost always right, especially exit-polling. In fact, it is exit polling that is used worldwide to investigate elections by various international voting rights agencies.

The latest polling is starting to look grim for not just McCain/Palin but for repubs down ballot too. Dems have a chance to pick up Senate seats in Oregon, Minnesota, North Carolina and a few other places largely on the coattails of Obama's surge.

Here's the latest by state;

Quinnipiac Polls (from today)

54-37 Obama lead in Wisconsin

51-40 Obama lead in Minnesota

52-43 Obama lead in Colorado

54-38 Obama lead in Michigan

These were all considered swing states. I can see why McCain took off out of Michigan? Maybe Wisconsin will be next?

Survey USA (from last 3 days)

55-40 Obama lead in Pennsylvania

50-45 Obama lead in Ohio (the Dem's largest)

57-40 Obama lead in Oregon

64-31 Obama lead in New York

55-40 Obama lead in New Jersey

51-43 McCain lead in Georgia (Bush carried by 17% in 2004)

51-43 Obama lead in Missouri

Rasmussen (from last 3 days)

50-47 Obama lead in Virginia

48-48 tie in North Carolina

49-47 Obama lead in Ohio

50-47 Obama lead in Missouri

51-46 Obama lead in Florida

56-40 Obama lead in California

[Disastro]

Man, Austin has made you bitter. Even McCain's own people admit that he is behind and it is a concern.

Seriously, TJ. I've been friends with you for a couple of years. If you are going to start twisting my words and name call me, I can ignore you just as I do some of the nutjobs on this board. I'd hate to do that with you. But, if you are going to attack me rather than my arguments, I'll do what I need to do. Many of my Republican friends have become increasingly vengeful as McCain tanks in the polls. I've been forced to become "unavailable" to them, at least until after the election. I hope you and I don't have to go there as well.

McCain has been consistently behind (with an average of) 4 to 6 points in the polls pretty much all along. I'm not worried about him not winning. 4 to 6 points is WAY to slim a margin for Obamabots to be crowing about potential "landslide" and such. With such a slim margin, it could go either way. Nothing's changed.

I am NOT a McCain fan, but he's a HELL of a lot better than the Hezbollah, Amadinejad, Hugo Chavez, Castro, AND American Communist Party ENDORSED Obama! (Don't believe me on this? It's all out there for you to read. I suggest you look. And if this doesn't disturb you, then you must think Cuba and North Korea are utopia.) G.D., this country is so F-ed if that Marxist wins the White House.

Not just because of Obama but because of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, and other other slimy Marxists in our government -- as well as the R.I.N.O. SELLOUTS!

Read my lips: This country is SCREWED. And I hope you people who want to vote for the Marxist hang onto your wallets...because he's going to REDISTRIBUTE all your "wealth". And if you think it's only going to happen to the people making $250,000 a year you are a FOOL!

Wake up and rethink your votes, Obamabots. Trust me, after it's in there for awhile, you're in for a rude awakening. And it's not a matter of JUST the President being a Marxist either...and that's what truly has this country screwed!

Dis

Edited October 14, 2008 by Disastro

[sarahiki]

Read my lips: This country is SCREWED. And I hope you people who want to vote for the Marxist hang onto your wallets...because he's going to REDISTRIBUTE all your "wealth". And if you think it's only going to happen to the people making $250,000 a year you are a FOOL!

Wake up and rethink your votes, Obamabots. Trust me, after it's in there for awhile, you're in for a rude awakening. And it's not a matter of JUST the President being a Marxist either...and that's what truly has this country screwed!

Dis

In the words of the great Bob Dylan, when you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose. Me and the other po' folks are going to vote Obama and see what happens. Enjoy the ride!

[sevfiv]

In the words of the great Bob Dylan, when you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose. Me and the other po' folks are going to vote Obama and see what happens. Enjoy the ride!

Yep - I was reading over this a while back (someone please update with new data if that is outdated) and according to what's on paper my "wealth" (lol) will not be taken from me. Of course I am not in the McCarthyism camp, either.

[tanith27]

Obama won't win Texas because he chose not to advertise on my Xbox video game.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6199379.html

You do have to admit, this is pretty clever.....

[crunchtastic]

I think someone forgot their meds today.

[Disastro]

In the words of the great Bob Dylan, when you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose. Me and the other po' folks are going to vote Obama and see what happens. Enjoy the ride!

One always has something to lose.

Your freedom and democracy immediately come to mind.

If you are "po" now, you'll be "po" later. History is replete with megalomaniacs promising to give this and that and only TAKING freedom and HARD EARNED wealth promising to "redistribute" it. The problem is, the "po" never see it. Only the upper ruling class reaps the rewards. Everyone else lives in misery.

That's Marxism.

Obama is a dangerous person. The endorsements I pointed out are but one example of the ways I could count...his own words, relationships and history only serve to reinforce and underscore what a menace and Marxist he is.

You'll see, if he gets in there.

I think someone forgot their meds today.

And some people are OVER medicated to the point of incapability of reason and rational thought.

Those people vote for Obama, the Marxist.

[RedScare]

One always has something to lose.

Your freedom and democracy immediately come to mind.

If you are "po" now, you'll be "po" later. History is replete with megalomaniacs promising to give this and that and only TAKING freedom and HARD EARNED wealth promising to "redistribute" it. The problem is, the "po" never see it. Only the upper ruling class reaps the rewards. Everyone else lives in misery.

That's Marxism.

This sounds a lot like the last 8 years if you ask me.

You know, I'd consider voting for McCain, but I don't think I can afford another 4 years of "freedom and democracy" and "wealth" if it looks anything like the last 8.

[Disastro]

This sounds a lot like the last 8 years if you ask me.

You know, I'd consider voting for McCain, but I don't think I can afford another 4 years of "freedom and democracy" and "wealth" if it looks anything like the last 8.

Move to Cuba! Marxist!

[sarahiki]

Disastro, you earned your name today. The sky is falling! Obama is dangerous! We're losing our freedom and democracy! Have you been spending too much time at Palin rallies?