Native Son Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 My father-in-law was a native Houstonian, and he used to talk about an old illegal casino/brothel(?) out Hwy 90. He said it existed after WWII and up into the 1950's. There was an old brick gatehouse just west of the current Beltway on the south side of 90 that he said belonged to the casino...does anyone know about this, or was my late father-in-law yankin' my chain? Jake Friedman Domain Privee Casino At 11620 South Main St. Edit: This is actually located on Old Main Street Loop Road near South Main Street (Highway 90.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Well, it wasn't exactly the Bellagio. They weren't set up with all the neon lights and whatnot waterfountains that played music. A few table games and a couple of backroom poker tables and a bar is about it. The kind of stuff you'd find in a Mike Hammer novel. The people that ran this establishment weren't the Steve Wynn tycoon types, they were the Vinnie Bag O' Donuts, break your friggin' legs if you don't pay up, types. Come to think of it, there was a huge pond back there where the Alligators were kept for the deadbeats who couldn't pay their credit off, so THAT could be considered like the Bellagio water show ? I am sure this place existed as well as others around this city, and in Galveston. He isn't pullin' your leg. Edited May 27, 2008 by TJones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmer Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Correct. It was Jakie Friedman's "Domain Privee." Search this site using those terms and you will find several posts about it. It was very classy and exclusive, and was well loved by Houston's movers and shakers. After it closed down in the 50s due to more stringent enforcement of gambling laws (this was about the time of Galveston's Balinese Room's demise, too), Mr. Friedman moved to Las Vegas and created the Sands Hotel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 There are a series of posts on this topic starting here.Someone help me out here - is Hwy 90 the same as Old Main Street Road? or does the title need to be corrected for this topic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 There are a series of posts on this topic starting here.Someone help me out here - is Hwy 90 the same as Old Main Street Road? or does the title need to be corrected for this topic?Old Hwy 90 is the New I-10. I don't think it was ever part Old Main St. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmer Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Old Hwy 90 is the New I-10. I don't think it was ever part Old Main St. ?No, at the time of Domain Privee, Hwy 90 was the current Main Street, not Old Main. OST is Alternate 90. See the 1935 map:http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0436.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 There might have been a point when it was Hwy 90. Since Main St wasn't extended below Brae's Bayou until the 1930s, Old Main would have been the primary southwest route until then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houwest Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Mr. Freidman was Carolyn Farb's grandfather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Just read about this gambling place in one of my Houston books. Said he was nice to teenagers, gave them a soda, and sent them home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 My father-in-law was a native Houstonian, and he used to talk about an old illegal casino/brothel(?) out Hwy 90. He said it existed after WWII and up into the 1950's. There was an old brick gatehouse just west of the current Beltway on the south side of 90 that he said belonged to the casino...does anyone know about this, or was my late father-in-law yankin' my chain? Here is the big question...What presently stand in its place? and was it truly just a Casino? Sometimes the word brothel gets tossed in for intrigue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm5k Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Here is the big question...What presently stand in its place?and was it truly just a Casino? Sometimes the word brothel gets tossed in for intrigue. All that is there now is a field, which is fenced up. I notice on the air views that some businesses seem to be moving onto that area and building it up. At as of the most recent pix I see, the exact place where the house was is still a vacant lot. If you are driving down that road, you can still see the concrete curbs etc that was once the entrance. Yep, it really was Casino. And only for high rollers. I read somewhere where Carolyn Farb was talking about going there as a kid, and meeting movie stars when she would come down to eat breakfast in the mornings.. I don't think it was ever a brothel. When gambling pressure increased in the 50's, he packed up to Vegas and opened the Sands. BTW, I believe the Sands was demolished not too long ago.. As you may have seen in other posts, I'd actually been in the place when it was a ramshackle dump in the early 70's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Looks like not a lot there besides a fence, Vertigo. I worked down the street from that site, traveled those roads on many occasions, had no idea. That whole area is so interesting, and overflowing in history. Thanks everyone for the interesting topic, and wonderful old maps. Satellite pics of old structures are great for showing patterns of roads and old dirt & concrete foundations, otherwise not detectable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmer Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I had a good friend, now unfortunately deceased, who was a lifelong Houstonian and a professional musician for more than sixty years. He lived to an advanced age and he loved to tell stories about the people he played with and the things he'd seen. Once I gave him some Bob Bailey calendars and you would have thought I had given him a million dollars. We went through them and he recognized something about every picture! Anyway, one of the pictures was the aerial shot of Domain Privee. He played there many times and had very fond memories of Mr. Freedman and Domain Privee. Apparently it was beautifully appointed inside and Mr. Freedman was an unusually generous employer. Among Houstonians of his generation (now fast disappearing) Freedman was apparently very well loved and respected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmer Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Took a while to find it, but here's the Bob Bailey aerial of Domain Privee: Here's the text from the 1995 Bailey calendar photo: On a two-lane gravel road in a remote area off the southern end of Main Street, about fourteen miles from downtown, this elegant colonial mansion was one of the fanciest gambling casinos in America. It was Jakie Freedman's "Domain Privee." Only a select few were permitted past the gate guards. Thirty to forty made a capacity gambling crowd. But these were the very wealthy. Chips began at $5.00. Domain Privee flourished through World War II. However, in the early 1950's steps were taken to enforce Texas' gambling laws. Under this threat, Freedman closed Domain Privee and moved to a town in Nevada, where gambling is legal. The grandiose resort hotel and casino that he ran in Las Vegas, The Sands, became world famous. and here's the direct link at UT's Center for American History: Center for American History 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm5k Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Took a while to find it, but here's the Bob Bailey aerial of Domain Privee: Here's the text from the 1995 Bailey calendar photo: and here's the direct link at UT's Center for American History: Center for American History Back in the 70's it was totally overgrown with tall weeds, etc. After it was abandoned, people started going there to party, drink beer, etc.. You see the entrance road.. Later people formed their own road and extended the turn to the right to cross the parking lot area in the back, and extend on around so it met with the road forming the circle in front of the house. So in the 70's, people would be able to drive in and make a complete circle without stopping or turning around. See the big building behind the house? That had a big swimming pool in it. It was still intact when I went there, and at that time probably one of the oldest below ground pools I'd seen. I don't know when the place was built. But I always found the pool pretty interesting. I didn't know they had pools that good, that long ago. It was probably modern and state of the art when it was installed. I was talking to a friend a while back about the place, and he told me that he and a friend of his spent the night there one time. He told me while they were there, some other people drove up, so they climbed on the roof to see who it was, and also evade detection. The people later left, and they went back down into the house to camp out. They said that later on that night they were sleeping, and they heard this huge crashing noise that woke them up. After it got light, they noticed that a section of the roof they had been climbing on totally collapsed into the upper rooms of the house. I remember walking around in the house a bit. Most of the rooms had fancy red wallpaper, I remember that. There were quite a few rooms, and had an upstairs and downstairs. You can see the windows of the upstairs rooms sticking out of the roof line. I notice in that pix, there seems to be an outdoor pool in front of that north building, which I don't even remember when I was there. But...I'm fairly sure I remember there being a pool directly behind the house, where that big building is.. So if I'm right, they had not one pool, but two. One indoors, and one outdoors. Or so it would seem anyway.. I guess that northern building and pool must have been toast, or covered with brush in the 70's, as I don't even remember seeing them. But like I say, it was like a jungle, so maybe they were sitting in the brush rotting away and we couldn't see em. It's all mowed down flat as a pancake now.. But in looking at the sat pix, you can still see vague traces of where things once were. Also the property lines stick out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Native Son Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) that is what I love about this place....just for the asking! you guys are the best....does anyone else remember the gravel loader across S. Main from the Mc Clendon Triple?...we used to climb that beast and watch movies without sound....back when that seemed like a cool thing to do Edited May 28, 2008 by Native Son 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Thanks marmer for the fab post w/pic, and nm5k for that story...how intriguing, an overgrown swimming pool, & property w/ that kind of history. I dream about these types of places. Hidden gems in a jungle. Unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Tbird Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Here is a 1960 shot of that area. You can see, what I believe are, the remains of Domain Privee toward the lower left corner. In the extreme lower left, and barely visible, would be part of the parking area of the old South Main Drive-In theater. Just above that is Brochsteins, which I remember being there then, and still appears to be in this recent Google shot. That would be the Old Main Street Loop running diagonal just below the DP remains. The north-south road running into South Main/Hwy90 is Hiram Clarke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Back in the 70's it was totally overgrown with tall weeds, etc. After it was abandoned, people started going there to party, drink beer, etc.. You see the entrance road.. Later people formed their own road and extended the turn to the right to cross the parking lot area in the back, and extend on around so it met with the road forming the circle in front of the house. So in the 70's, people would be able to drive in and make a complete circle without stopping or turning around. See the big building behind the house? That had a big swimming pool in it. It was still intact when I went there, and at that time probably one of the oldest below ground pools I'd seen. I don't know when the place was built. But I always found the pool pretty interesting. I didn't know they had pools that good, that long ago. It was probably modern and state of the art when it was installed. I was talking to a friend a while back about the place, and he told me that he and a friend of his spent the night there one time. He told me while they were there, some other people drove up, so they climbed on the roof to see who it was, and also evade detection. The people later left, and they went back down into the house to camp out. They said that later on that night they were sleeping, and they heard this huge crashing noise that woke them up. After it got light, they noticed that a section of the roof they had been climbing on totally collapsed into the upper rooms of the house. I remember walking around in the house a bit. Most of the rooms had fancy red wallpaper, I remember that. There were quite a few rooms, and had an upstairs and downstairs. You can see the windows of the upstairs rooms sticking out of the roof line. I notice in that pix, there seems to be an outdoor pool in front of that north building, which I don't even remember when I was there. But...I'm fairly sure I remember there being a pool directly behind the house, where that big building is.. So if I'm right, they had not one pool, but two. One indoors, and one outdoors. Or so it would seem anyway.. I guess that northern building and pool must have been toast, or covered with brush in the 70's, as I don't even remember seeing them. But like I say, it was like a jungle, so maybe they were sitting in the brush rotting away and we couldn't see em. It's all mowed down flat as a pancake now.. But in looking at the sat pix, you can still see vague traces of where things once were. Also the property lines stick out. Amazing you actually got to go inside! I could just kill to get my hands on any photos of the parties that occurred there in it's prime that is. Someone must have had a camera when celebs or others stepped out of their cool cars/limos. Imagine if there are images of the inside of the roulette wheels or gambling tables? Hope a movie director is reading all of this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlydays Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Correct. It was Jakie Friedman's "Domain Privee." Search this site using those terms and you will find several posts about it. It was very classy and exclusive, and was well loved by Houston's movers and shakers. After it closed down in the 50s due to more stringent enforcement of gambling laws (this was about the time of Galveston's Balinese Room's demise, too), Mr. Friedman moved to Las Vegas and created the Sands Hotel.There was also a famous casino in Galveston called the Hollywood Club, on Stewart Road, near Jones Road. I remember seeing it in the early 50's, when I was a boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverartfox Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 There was also a famous casino in Galveston called the Hollywood Club, on Stewart Road, near Jones Road. I remember seeing it in the early 50's, when I was a boy.Wow, I remember that one, too! It was surrounded by stucco walls and all you could see from the road was the neon sign and the tops of palm trees planted inside the walls.Even as a child, I had rather peculiar tastes - couldn't wait to grow up, put on an evening gown and go there and to the fabled Balinese Room. Goodness knows where my ideas came from - my parents certainly didn't go for night clubs or gambling... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 The Balinese Room in Galveston has always fascinated me. I am amazed that it is still standing, not only from the "tear down the old - way of thinking", but also from the fact that it is sitting out over the surf. The seashore elements have not disintegrated it. It is still there, right? I think it should be on an episode of "If These Walls Could Talk". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 The Balinese Room in Galveston has always fascinated me. I am amazed that it is still standing, not only from the "tear down the old - way of thinking", but also from the fact that it is sitting out over the surf. The seashore elements have not disintegrated it. It is still there, right? I think it should be on an episode of "If These Walls Could Talk".Still there, and open for business once again after a renovation:Visit Galveston's Historic Balinese Room 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmer Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Wow, I remember that one, too! It was surrounded by stucco walls and all you could see from the road was the neon sign and the tops of palm trees planted inside the walls.Even as a child, I had rather peculiar tastes - couldn't wait to grow up, put on an evening gown and go there and to the fabled Balinese Room. Goodness knows where my ideas came from - my parents certainly didn't go for night clubs or gambling... The Hollywood Dinner Club. The first big Maceo brothers enterprise. It was opened in 1925 and closed in 1939 after a narcotics bust. It boasted gaming tables and fine dining and featured nationally known performers and celebrities. There's an apocryphal story that a Dinner Club bandleader, desperate because of an absent trumpet player, gave a chance to a young kid from Beaumont named Harry James. Later it was used as a storage area for furniture and old gaming equipment from the Balinese Room. The Hollywood Dinner Club building stood vacant (except for storage) from 1939 until it was destroyed by a fire in 1959. Here are a couple of pictures from the Rosenberg Library, reprinted in Frank Chalfant's book "Galveston: Island of Chance" HDC in its heyday: HDC, vacant and neglected in 1957 before the 1959 fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 The Hollywood Dinner Club. The first big Maceo brothers enterprise. It was opened in 1925 and closed in 1939 after a narcotics bust. It boasted gaming tables and fine dining and featured nationally known performers and celebrities. There's an apocryphal story that a Dinner Club bandleader, desperate because of an absent trumpet player, gave a chance to a young kid from Beaumont named Harry James. Later it was used as a storage area for furniture and old gaming equipment from the Balinese Room.The Hollywood Dinner Club building stood vacant (except for storage) from 1939 until it was destroyed by a fire in 1959. Here are a couple of pictures from the Rosenberg Library, reprinted in Frank Chalfant's book "Galveston: Island of Chance" HDC in its heyday: HDC, vacant and neglected in 1957 before the 1959 fire Stop the press's! The right half of that building is still on Broadway! Or at least there is an almost exact duplicate of it. Its now a Mexican Restaurant. If anyone can verify? Its on your left as you drive East on Broadway. PS, I forgot that famous trumpeteer Harry James was an old Texas boy! Mom was lucky enough to see him play here in Houston back in his hey day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emscougar Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) I was doing some remenissing looking up videos of astroworld, and I some how ended up reading this forum. My eyes almost popped out of my head. I am 43, when I was a child, I went to a school called Town and Country. Across the street and down a bit was an old mansion. My mother and I used to jump the fence and go explore it. I remember the guard house at the gate, the black swimming pool, there was a ballroom with tall marble pillars, and an open stairwell that led down into darkness. I never went there!I even went into a closet on the upper floor and went through an opening to see an attic with piles of pidgeon poop 6 feet high. On the ground floor there was a bar, with red carpet. Over my visits, someone broke all the mirrors, then later I saw someone had tried to pull the bar out, but it never made it through the door. Inside that bar the floor was covered with trash, and in that trash, I kid you not, I found hundreds of child toy items like crayons, coloring books, army men, little cars, dolls, etc. There were garages out back where I found jars of screws and nails. We called it my haunted mansion.My grandfather said the owner was busted for gambling, and sent to prison. I never knew anything about this childhood memory till I saw your posts. This is amazing, I have been looking for answers all my life about this. Is there ANYWAY to find pictures of this mansion? You guys are the first people I have run across that even know anything about it!!And yes, I wanted to metal detect it too!! I even had wild thoughts of using a sizemagraph to locate the basement and dig down to it, cause back then I was chicken to go down there. Silly, huh?Oh....and the guy with the pony rides on main,.....bought my grand fathers car, last I heard of him, he was arrested for animal cruelty and they led the starving horses off in trailers.I would LOVE to get old photos of this area, the mansion, the shamrock hilton, especially that 25 foot deep pool I swam in once. But particularly I would love photos and more history on the mansion. I spent many hours exploring that place. it was not torn down, it was arsoned twice, the second time it burned to the groung according to my grandfather.Mike aka Cougar!!ems_cougar at yahoo.com Edited September 11, 2008 by emscougar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhinoVP Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Mike,have a look here.http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...showtopic=16171Regards,Rhino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emscougar Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 All I can say is......oh.....my......God. You do not realize how long I have searched for memories of this place. The ariel photo even shows the garages I plundered. The outdoor swimming pool is right where I remembered, off to the right of the driveway. Another poster mentioned an indoor pool....my mom kept a tight leash on me and would not let me go into places that looked structuraly unsafe, so I guess I missed that one. I can relate to portions of the roof collapsing, there were portions of the lower roofs down when I was there. And when I poked my head into the attic to see all the bird poop, the roof had hundreds of holes in it, letting the sunlight beam down through onto the dung piles. These posts have unlocked some more memories too, I remember my grand father telling me about the alligators and I recently saw the same tactics being used in early Las Vegas on the History Channel. I now remember the red velvet wall paper too. Years later, I ended up getting put into a private boarding school in New Mexico called Brush Ranch. There were two girls there, a Marla Dorfman and a kristen Rosenthal. After watching the ep on History channel I am now wondering if I went to school with mafia daughters!! But back to the mansion....yes, it was overgrown, it was a real jungle, The pool to the right of the driveway was filled with black sludge, there was an equestrian type riding boot on the floor of the gate house (which was about the size of a phone booth) wow, this is just bringing a WHOLE lot back. As I posted earlier, I attended Town & Country school just down the street, it was third grade, and Im figuring I was about 8 years old. I want to do some serious research on this mansion, and learn more, especially since I have now publically admitted to burglarizing a mob bosses house when I was a child!! I'm prolly inline to get whacked now!! hahahah!! But seriously, since I have been there and it is such a part of old memories, I would love to learn as much as I can about the old place. This forum is awsome. Mike Sorry bout skipping spell check, Im just so excited to find people who remember this property. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalkj Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I found a Google Book about Houston that mentions the Jackie Freedman gambling spot...LINK.Kevin Jackson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 You guys are lucky you got to see this mysterious place. We used to also sneak into old abandoned big houses (human curiosity) but wouldnt advise now of of course. I learned a big lesson when going into a large old one on our side of town. It was pitch black inside and I hit my face hard on the newel post of the staircase. I saw birds circling round like in the toons. lol and you are right this forum can be a real scream. Tell all your pals about it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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