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What a sad, depressing world this would be if each building were like this. Why are people against lighting?

Some of us are not especially against lighting insomuch as we do not care. We have no dog in the fight; as an aside, that's also why I personally have a hard time caring about professional sports.

Really...downtown lighting...what does it mean?

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What a sad, depressing world this would be if each building were like this. Why are people against lighting? Downtown would certainly look much better like this:

Now, downtown looks dead at night, hopefully the Hess Tower lighting can inspire these boring owners. Heck, even the Methodist Outpatient Center turned off it's lights, what's the deal?

It's not depressing, it's eerie, could be chilling depending on the noise level in the area. Some lights are ok, extravagant light pollution for no reason isn't necessary.

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It's not depressing, it's eerie, could be chilling depending on the noise level in the area. Some lights are ok, extravagant light pollution for no reason isn't necessary.

Perhaps there is too much science fiction talking here, but it seems to me that the less human a place the more brightly lit it is. Creeps me out.

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Perhaps there is too much science fiction talking here, but it seems to me that the less human a place the more brightly lit it is. Creeps me out.

In all fairness, I'd have to dispute that.

Of all the races depicted in the Star Trek canon, only Starfleet ships were ever brightly lit, often featured brightly-lit deflector dishes, large blue-striped nacelles with prominent glowing Bussard Ramscoops, running lights, and plenty of lit windows facing out into space. The less humanistic the race, the darker-colored the ships; at the far end of the spectrum were the Borg, with dark-colored unlit windowless, featureless, geometric shapes for ships.

Gene Roddenbery probably would've favored downtown lighting. But I'm not him. I just don't care.

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In all fairness, I'd have to dispute that.

Of all the races depicted in the Star Trek canon, only Starfleet ships were ever brightly lit, often featured brightly-lit deflector dishes, large blue-striped nacelles with prominent glowing Bussard Ramscoops, running lights, and plenty of lit windows facing out into space. The less humanistic the race, the darker-colored the ships; at the far end of the spectrum were the Borg, with dark-colored unlit windowless, featureless, geometric shapes for ships.

Gene Roddenbery probably would've favored downtown lighting. But I'm not him. I just don't care.

Star Trek, nyet. More the bright white lights of Kubrick.

But I'm with you, I don't much care about lights downtown. Just don't be ugly and slutty about it, is all I'm saying.

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I guess you haven't been paying attention to the news for the past couple of years.

Guess not. The only thing I can think of is that Houston is trying to be "energy efficient" I read that in the news. But other than that, pleas fill me in.

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Guess not. The only thing I can think of is that Houston is trying to be "energy efficient" I read that in the news. But other than that, pleas fill me in.

I don't think "Houston" is trying to be more energy efficient, I think it is the owners of the various buildings, current and future, that are trying to be smart and find new ways to reduce costs for the long run.

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Maybe, but one would think that they would start with the interior lighting, can't imagine how leaving all those lights on inside costs less that leaving the exterior lights on outside.

The interior lights that you see now are just part of the construction process. The fixtures that are ultimately installed will be significantly more efficient and not constantly on.

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The interior lights that you see now are just part of the construction process. The fixtures that are ultimately installed will be significantly more efficient and not constantly on.

No I am talking about the interior lights always on on all of the completed buildings, I was just talking about downtown in general (I know off topic lol sorry) Actually I am quite satisfied with the Hess Tower lighting.

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No I am talking about the interior lights always on on all of the completed buildings, I was just talking about downtown in general (I know off topic lol sorry) Actually I am quite satisfied with the Hess Tower lighting.

Umm...ever heard of cleaning crews?

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Umm...ever heard of cleaning crews?

Unacceptable, the cleaning crews should be staffed only with morlocks so they can keep the lights off. Anyone working late during a new moon is asking for it.

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Umm...ever heard of cleaning crews?

...or 24-hour call centers, or workaholics, or pulling an all-nighter to wrap a project on a hard deadline. I've done a lot of the latter two but have never worked for a firm that didn't employ some kind of mechanism to turn off the lights once everyone was out of there.

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According to some code (maybe a fire code), a certain number of lights on each floor cannot turn off. That, cleaning crews, and investment bankers are why you see all of those buildings lit up.

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Umm...ever heard of cleaning crews?

Of course I have. I have family that work in offices and they say the cleaning crews/custodians do their thing, and leave the lights on all night after they've finished.

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Now, an owner with an empty building might look at it differently. Building owners in Miami, Atlanta and Dallas, where vacancy rates are far higher, may add some lights in an effort to lure a new tenant.

One would think that a building owner with empty tennants wouldn't even have the $$$ to light exterior lighting. Do you really think that's the reason why Dallas lights its buildings? I thought it was to look pretty.

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The lights are largely off at 4 am. Late workers and cleaning crews will keep them on until midnite or so, but once people are gone, the buildings go dark. I suppose those who have never had to keep a budget may complain that they want lights for their amusement, but building owners trying to keep tenants in the building must deal with real life issues, such as common area fees. Since forum posters do not pay the bills, it is easy to see why their pleas fall on deaf ears.

Now, an owner with an empty building might look at it differently. Building owners in Miami, Atlanta and Dallas, where vacancy rates are far higher, may add some lights in an effort to lure a new tenant. It may work for some. But, having rented a few offices in my day, I can safely say that not once have I ever made a choice on a building's lighting scheme. In fact, none of my offices were ever lit at night.

I honestly think the building owners can afford to keep ample lighting on, as evidenced by the pre-Ike lighting schemes. I think Hurricane Ike destroyed some lighting, and the issue is just that the owners don't want to spend the time to fix it. I just would like the city to look nice, is that such a bad thing to ask? And I guess these "real life issues" occur only in Houston? Please post a picture of a major city that has no building lighting, such as our own? Because I can't seem to find such a picture, I'm sure there's one though.

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Can you substantiate that hypothesis at all? It seems far-fetched.

Wells Fargo Bank Plaza used to have a greenish light surrounding the top, but after Hurricane Ike, the greenish light was only on a small section of the top. I'm not sure if that small section is still on today however, but it was obvious something happenend to it. Compare these two pics:

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The first picture was taken before Ike, the second after. In the second one, you can see a small strip of the greenish lighting above the Wells Fargo Bank Plaza still illuminated, of course later they turned it off.

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I posted several in another post complaining about lighting. Perhaps you can search for it. It was quite illuminating. While you are searching, look for articles about the lending crisis for commercial buildings. You'll find that buildings owners don't have as much cash as you think. 'Pre-Ike' is also known as 'pre-recession' in financial circles.

I did a search on downtown lighting, and I'm not about to go through the hundreds of pages of threads to find a few of your pictures. And sorry, I just can't take your word for it, either. :) The darkest downtown I've seen in any other big city at this time is San Diego, but they have company lighting on almost all of their buildings, to be honest I don't think downtown's lack of lighting is due to the recession, it' just that I think that the owners don't give a shit about lighting. Sure downtown lighting doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah but I'm sure you'll find that many people think downtown Houston is boring at night, and why not light it up to make it less boring?

The top 5 cities in the US's downtown lighting:

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Now you would think that since Houston has supposedly fared better than others during the reccesion, they wouldn't be so broke as to not afford lighting. So I just can't see how that is the case. I think it is simply the "I don't care how my building looks, I just want to make as much money possible" attitude, which is fine, but is doesn't make the city any better IMO.

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i actually do recall a chron article about hurricane damage taking out several buildings exterior lights.... could have been Ike.

That being said... Ike may have taken some out, but it seems more likely the recession is keeping them out.

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300' Oil derrick with 50' Jeff Bagwell at the top and the retired shuttle Discovery mounted on to the side..... all bronzed....

Yes.

Before I even got to this post I was planning to search for this awesome rendering of yours. I'll just link to the post rather than confuse innocent googlers searching for Discovery Tower info.

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But really, I do care about tacky or not, that's why I said that's a valid argument. I'm definitely not for flashy neon lights, but the simple Continental Airlines blue light at the top was good and it'd be nice to see that simple style lighting across more buildings.

But let's face it, in Houston money talks and that's why we don't see an extravagent night skyline... I wouldn't mind if that changed though.

I am not really a fan of colored lights. If anything was to be done, I'd only be a fan of limited white lights, which I think could look more classy, which is one way to describe Houston's skyline.

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Many people on here seem to think that when I brought up the idea that downtown Houston could use more lighting, I meant Vegas-style lighting. Not at all, Houston should have more classy lighting than Vegas. A perfect example would be the new Methodist building, they just completed the exterior lighting and it looks great. No neon, but a more classy type of lighting, which enhances the building's architecture.

There is such as thing as tasteful exterior lighting, would Williams Tower be as iconic without the rotating beacon at night? Houston has some great examples of architecture, why keep them hidden at night?

I'm glad Discovery Tower has the top/windmill structure lit up at night, it makes the building stand out. I'm beginning to think that some posters are embarrassed by our architecture, and do not want anyone to see our beautiful buildings at night. I've never seen anyone so adamantly opposed to lighting, it can be beautiful if done right.

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Our downtown skyline is beautiful... on a clear day, anyway. When the brown fog isn't there, I absolutely love it.

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Here's a really rough update adding the Hines building and just for fun I threw in a filler building basically in the location of the Stream/Linbeck tower.  If Lockmat would like to provide me with a teaser look again I could draw something up a little closer but I also don't want to get him in trouble.  

 

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Edited to include 5 Allen Center as per Urbannizer's post.  I didn't include it because it seems pretty unlikely to happen at this point (my opinion) But it could at least be included in this fantasy portrayal anyway.

 

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I like the updated skyline picture with Five Allen Center covering Three Allen Center. The blue with all the other new glass buildings gives the skyline a more modern feel. Linbeck's building looks goofy over there all by itself though.

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So awesome! This skyline is just begging for a supertall, a crown jewel of some sort.

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Linbecks tower would have a huge impact on the skyline

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Here's a really rough update adding the Hines building and just for fun I threw in a filler building basically in the location of the Stream/Linbeck tower.  If Lockmat would like to provide me with a teaser look again I could draw something up a little closer but I also don't want to get him in trouble.  

 

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Edited to include 5 Allen Center as per Urbannizer's post.  I didn't include it because it seems pretty unlikely to happen at this point (my opinion) But it could at least be included in this fantasy portrayal anyway.

 

great job! thanks for making this.. i suck at photoshop and was curious how the new towers would effect the skyline. 

any chance you could make the Hines tower taller to reflect the new supposed official height? also IMO the new Chevron tower may be a little short since according to the renders its about equivalent in height to a 58 story building if you count each floor and consider the double high floors as 2 stories.

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alright, now that the International Tower rendering has leaked this REALLY needs to be updated. all these new towers are getting me excited.

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alright, now that the International Tower rendering has leaked this REALLY needs to be updated. all these new towers are getting me excited.

I concur

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alright, now that the International Tower rendering has leaked this REALLY needs to be updated. all these new towers are getting me excited.

 

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woooo... thank you! did the Hines tower ever get extended after they announced the 49 story redesign? or are you waiting until more "official" information comes out?

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Here is a very crude attempt at updating this with what we have for the International tower.

 

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I love how awful the original quality of this picture is before the photoshopped additions. As grainy as all the existing buildings are, the whole thing looks like it is photoshopped together haha

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I love how awful the original quality of this picture is before the photoshopped additions. As grainy as all the existing buildings are, the whole thing looks like it is photoshopped together haha

 

If I use another picture and start over will you forgive me??

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If I use another picture and start over will you forgive me??

Haha, the idea was just to see how the skyline would look with the proposed buildings. You did great.

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Haha, the idea was just to see how the skyline would look with the proposed buildings. You did great.

 

Thanks, I was thinking it might be worth doing something from the north where you could basically see all of these minus the Chevron building.

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Thanks, I was thinking it might be worth doing something from the north where you could basically see all of these minus the Chevron building.

I, for one, would like to see the southeast view from the Gulf freeway. Our skyline looks far denser from that angle...

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Thanks, I was thinking it might be worth doing something from the north where you could basically see all of these minus the Chevron building.

that would actually be fantastic. like from 59 driving south, just north of downtown? then you could include the Marriott Marquis too. (this is a terrible photo btw, im not proposing you use this one, just an example of the angle)

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I, for one, would like to see the southeast view from the Gulf freeway. Our skyline looks far denser from that angle...

thats one of my favorite angles as well, due to the density like you say, but i just checked out some pictures i have from that angle and i dont think you would be able to see much of anything except the new Chevron tower from that angle, and Marriott Marquis. it seems like Hines tower would barely stick out, and the International Tower would be almost completely blocked off?

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So many blue glass high rises! Architects need to diversify their photoshop painting skills!

 

lol, people used to always complain about Houstons boring beige boxes. now i guess it will be the "boring blue glass towers".

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If I use another picture and start over will you forgive me??

 

I agree with TowerSpotter, it looks great. I'm awful with photoshop so I'm not dogging you in the least. I just love how rough the original actual image was to begin with.

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