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Found some recent photos of inside with the floors cut out and skylight/tarp installed.       

Fiesta to become "Greentown Labs" a green energy incubator.    

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24 minutes ago, HouTXRanger said:

Anyone attend the affordable housing talk the Ion put on tonight? There just quite wasn't enough time for me to say all I wanted . . . but, there were some great ideas and thoughts passed around.

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17 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

$1.4m in federal funds to launch aerospace tech accelerator?  In partnership with NASA's Johnson Space Center?  SIGN ME UP.

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/techburger/article/The-Ion-gets-1-4M-in-federal-funds-for-space-15630626.php

Wow this is HUGE! I wonder if Musk will hear about this and open some Space X offices at the ION.

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So I made a map of 1, 2, 3 mile circles around The Ion(former Sears building).  There is a coalition trying to form a CBA with Rice for this development.  I'm indifferent if they're able to make this happen based on the distance from Third Ward.  At what distance do you think The Ion will have an affect on property values?  I'm within the 1 mile circle for Third Ward and new construction in my area is already $350k+...

 

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8 hours ago, BeerNut said:

So I made a map of 1, 2, 3 mile circles around The Ion(former Sears building).  There is a coalition trying to form a CBA with Rice for this development.  I'm indifferent if they're able to make this happen based on the distance from Third Ward.  At what distance do you think The Ion will have an affect on property values?  I'm within the 1 mile circle for Third Ward and new construction in my area is already $350k+...

 

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1 mile radius - significant effect, apparent in the short term. 2 mile radius - mild affect, apparent in the long term. 3 mile radius - little to no effect (unless Ion becomes very big, like a Tech Center rivaling the Medical Center).

 

Effect will be stronger west of the north/south freeway spine (288, 59, 45) since freeway acts as a buffer.

 

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I think the effect is going to be very severe in the 3rd ward once construction on the BRT starts. It'll be 5-10 minutes away on the line, and by far the cheapest area along the entire length. It's going to be targeted heavily for new apartment/condo construction for sure.

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Can anyone speak to the hold up on the Ion garage?  Is it still moving forward as planned and is just delayed, or has something happened that's made Rice re-assess the full use of this block?  Greentown Labs has a massive parking lot to utilize, but can this garage be finished by early spring of 2021 when both Greentown and Ion open their doors?

 

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On 10/17/2020 at 2:31 AM, BeerNut said:

So I made a map of 1, 2, 3 mile circles around The Ion(former Sears building).  There is a coalition trying to form a CBA with Rice for this development.  I'm indifferent if they're able to make this happen based on the distance from Third Ward.  At what distance do you think The Ion will have an affect on property values?  I'm within the 1 mile circle for Third Ward and new construction in my area is already $350k+...

 

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The CBA in my opinion has always been DOA. The only people willing to entertain this idea was Rice (only because they have a guilty conscious), but with all the pull this thing is already getting, they don't need anything from this coalition because they don't need them for anything. In fact, just looking at it from a pure negotiation/political stand point. Its the coalition that needs The Ion, not the other way around, yet at the same time its the coalition trying to make all the demands. Not exactly a wise business strategy. The dynamics of the surrounding neighborhoods have been changing for awhile now, and will continue to change. If one focuses on the actual dynamics it just looks like a last ditch bid for the power brokers, and those who hold a political stranglehold on the 3rd Ward, are gradually going to lose their influence and authority because the demographics are going to shift, and they want to find a way to keep that going. I just don't see it happening.

If they approached them in a way that was an assist or offer, rather than a demand or a sense of entitlement then they probably would have gotten something a long time ago. Its not a great look to be pushy especially when this development doesn't exactly need the existing political authority to get any influence for itself, or bring in business. In fact The Ion is doing that naturally on its own.

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The biggest issue I have is that some of the most vocal supporters of the CBA won't hold MRA accountable.  If you aren't confronting an organization that's supposed to build affordable housing and already owns 100+ acres of unkept property in Third Ward why should I support the CBA you want...

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On 10/17/2020 at 6:01 PM, HouTXRanger said:

I think the effect is going to be very severe in the 3rd ward once construction on the BRT starts. It'll be 5-10 minutes away on the line, and by far the cheapest area along the entire length. It's going to be targeted heavily for new apartment/condo construction for sure.

 

Have you seen the home prices in the 3rd between TSU and the highway? Renovated homes are already $300+.

 

I wonder how long it'll take to get a building over 5 stories in the 3rd! I would imagine BRT is planned for Alabama, so maybe corner of Alabama @ Emancipation?

 

3 minutes ago, BeerNut said:

The biggest issue I have is that some of the most vocal supporters of the CBA won't hold MRA accountable.  If you aren't confronting an organization that's supposed to build affordable housing and already owns 100+ acres of unkept property in Third Ward why should I support the CBA you want...

 

I'm very much not an expert at the situation, but the buy and hold strategy is coming from above (and it's dumb). 

 

Can't believe they haven't instituted a community land trust and/or done some multi-family. 

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7 hours ago, Luminare said:

 

The CBA in my opinion has always been DOA. The only people willing to entertain this idea was Rice (only because they have a guilty conscious), but with all the pull this thing is already getting, they don't need anything from this coalition because they don't need them for anything. In fact, just looking at it from a pure negotiation/political stand point. Its the coalition that needs The Ion, not the other way around, yet at the same time its the coalition trying to make all the demands. Not exactly a wise business strategy. The dynamics of the surrounding neighborhoods have been changing for awhile now, and will continue to change. If one focuses on the actual dynamics it just looks like a last ditch bid for the power brokers, and those who hold a political stranglehold on the 3rd Ward, are gradually going to lose their influence and authority because the demographics are going to shift, and they want to find a way to keep that going. I just don't see it happening.

If they approached them in a way that was an assist or offer, rather than a demand or a sense of entitlement then they probably would have gotten something a long time ago. Its not a great look to be pushy especially when this development doesn't exactly need the existing political authority to get any influence for itself, or bring in business. In fact The Ion is doing that naturally on its own.


In their meetings, they very much felt like they were approaching things from a "demand" point of view, and when people talked about how really they wanted to work with Ion not against them, it felt like a second thought. You're right in that the CBA has exactly zero leverage over the Ion, so I'm really not sure why they feel like they have such ground to stand on.

Most of the motivation from the CBA group is that they see what happens to other cities when big tech gets in to a neighborhood (incredibly high gentrification), and they genuinely fear for what's going to happen to the 3rd ward if the Ion outgrows Rice's land . . . which it will.

 


 

10 minutes ago, wilcal said:

Can't believe they haven't instituted a community land trust and/or done some multi-family. 


From what I heard at the Ion meeting, a land trust is already trying to get off the ground. I'm sure they need more money and buy-in though, and they're rapidly running out of time before land prices get out of their reach.

 

12 minutes ago, wilcal said:

 

Have you seen the home prices in the 3rd between TSU and the highway? Renovated homes are already $300+.

 

I wonder how long it'll take to get a building over 5 stories in the 3rd! I would imagine BRT is planned for Alabama, so maybe corner of Alabama @ Emancipation?


All that's kept the place from exploding with townhomes is the "reputation" 3rd ward has. They're already encroaching in the northern corner . . .

The only reason prices are that high is because of proximity to downtown, the med center, and the universities, right? Well . . . imagine how quickly the place is going to explode when there's also a rapid bus to TSU/UH, 10-20 minute rapid transit connection to Wheeler (and the red line), Greenway Plaza, the Galleria (and all the other connections at the Uptown transit center). I honestly think it's going to be one of the best connected neighborhoods in the city, and I think it'll make east downtown look like nothing.

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30 minutes ago, HouTXRanger said:


In their meetings, they very much felt like they were approaching things from a "demand" point of view, and when people talked about how really they wanted to work with Ion not against them, it felt like a second thought. You're right in that the CBA has exactly zero leverage over the Ion, so I'm really not sure why they feel like they have such ground to stand on.

Most of the motivation from the CBA group is that they see what happens to other cities when big tech gets in to a neighborhood (incredibly high gentrification), and they genuinely fear for what's going to happen to the 3rd ward if the Ion outgrows Rice's land . . . which it will.

 


 


From what I heard at the Ion meeting, a land trust is already trying to get off the ground. I'm sure they need more money and buy-in though, and they're rapidly running out of time before land prices get out of their reach.

 


All that's kept the place from exploding with townhomes is the "reputation" 3rd ward has. They're already encroaching in the northern corner . . .

The only reason prices are that high is because of proximity to downtown, the med center, and the universities, right? Well . . . imagine how quickly the place is going to explode when there's also a rapid bus to TSU/UH, 10-20 minute rapid transit connection to Wheeler (and the red line), Greenway Plaza, the Galleria (and all the other connections at the Uptown transit center). I honestly think it's going to be one of the best connected neighborhoods in the city, and I think it'll make east downtown look like nothing.

Is the BRT going to be on Wheeler or Alabama?

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6 minutes ago, clutchcity94 said:

Is the BRT going to be on Wheeler or Alabama?


It'll be on Wheeler to connect with the Wheeler transit center, but I expect that it'll turn north to use Alabama at some point before it crosses 288. There simply isn't enough ROW on Wheeler that far over, and even if there was, TSU pedestrianized over half of Wheeler street so they'd have to go north to Alabama at that point anyway.

edit: just realized, that would make the BRT go right in front of Yates High School. How cool would it be to go to school on a BRT?

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26 minutes ago, wilcal said:

I wonder how long it'll take to get a building over 5 stories in the 3rd! I would imagine BRT is planned for Alabama, so maybe corner of Alabama @ Emancipation?

I'm sure the BRT will follow a similar route to the old university LRT map. 

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28 minutes ago, wilcal said:

I'm very much not an expert at the situation, but the buy and hold strategy is coming from above (and it's dumb). 

 

Can't believe they haven't instituted a community land trust and/or done some multi-family. 

 

It's a vanity project for Coleman and source of questionable spending.  $3 million for annual landscaping with no accountability, $300,000 for a mural, $23 million for a "think tank", land purchases from a single family, no bid contracts, etc

 

25 minutes ago, HouTXRanger said:

All that's kept the place from exploding with townhomes is the "reputation" 3rd ward has. They're already encroaching in the northern corner . . .

 

The reputation is still somewhat deserved...  On the positive the amount of gunfire heard at night has been decreasing and it's been a while since calling police for hood shit(people getting jumped, people walking around with guns, etc).  

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1 hour ago, HouTXRanger said:


In their meetings, they very much felt like they were approaching things from a "demand" point of view, and when people talked about how really they wanted to work with Ion not against them, it felt like a second thought. You're right in that the CBA has exactly zero leverage over the Ion, so I'm really not sure why they feel like they have such ground to stand on.

Most of the motivation from the CBA group is that they see what happens to other cities when big tech gets in to a neighborhood (incredibly high gentrification), and they genuinely fear for what's going to happen to the 3rd ward if the Ion outgrows Rice's land . . . which it will.

 

Because like all these "coalitions" they depend on other institutions which they feel they either already control, or should control. They over estimated their influence with Rice University, but Rice seems to have hired people that aren't crazy, and are checks on them. They over estimated their influence with publications like the Houston Chronicle, who they thought would simply get out the word for them for free because they thought the Chron would be sympathetic to their cause. Turns out, the Chron is like others in this city, money talks and bs walks. So this means they aren't crazy as well. They over estimated their influence with those in City government, who are normally sympathetic to these sorts of things, but it turns out Mayor Turner is pretty based. Again money talks and bs walks with him. They assumed way to much. Thats why they thought they could make demands. They really thought they had the "social" capital to swing negotiations.

 

You are right, "gentrification" is going to happen, but again this is a battle for political futures in these areas. Just look at the maps. It goes way for both establishments. When you see demographics change in an area who normally elect particular candidates or build particular machines and power bases, thats when you see people on one side say, "gentrification", and on the other side you hear "not in my back yard".

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