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i agree to some extent, i mean yes, it would do good near Minute Maid Park, in the sense to extend it,

but they've already got several projects on that.

What do you think OPP,Disco Tower, & Embassy Suites are doing? They're EXTENDING the skyline.

Also, it's in a great location, there haven't been any significant changes to our skyline district recently.

Welcome to the 21st century, the world is modernizing and changing. Houston is modernizing and changing, and this is exactly what it needs, in that sense. I for one am glad to see a change in that part of downtown. Do you really want to drive to Houston and see the same thing every year. I for one am glad that this is happening.

Can you imagine seeing downtown from this view, not to mention that its the most popular view, the ones that the world sees more often, and having it remain the same. But hey, at least our skyline got longer!

( I think not)

Just my opinion, and intended with no hard feelings.

So yes, its in a great location.

No argument with any of that. It would indeed be nice to see a change in the western skyline. It's always nice to see new towers downtown, wherever they are. It was just an expression of a preference that a new tower would do more to improve downtown if it was built on one of the empty blocks that create such holes in downtown's connectivity. The empty block next to Market Square, for example, the nearly empty block on Main (where Shamrock Tower was supposed to go), any of a number of empty blocks in the northeast sector of downtown...

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A few cell phone pics from the rooftop area of the Wedge bar:      

The tower goes where they own the land.

My thinking is that development to the east and southeast side of downtown will slowly crawl that way. Most the ameneties like restaurants etc are on the western side. It would not make much sense to build on the far east or southeast side of town in my opinion. If there are reasons, there aren't many. I wonder if the east end LRT lines will help draw more buildings out that way though?

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My thinking is that development to the east and southeast side of downtown will slowly crawl that way. Most the ameneties like restaurants etc are on the western side. It would not make much sense to build on the far east or southeast side of town in my opinion. If there are reasons, there aren't many. I wonder if the east end LRT lines will help draw more buildings out that way though?

Seems like the East End is well spoken for though. It's one of the busiest CBD construction areas in the whole United States right now, with no signs of slowing down. The Dynamo stadium on the other side of 59 will spur more retail and restaurant development, and we're still pretty optimistic for at least on more large hotel and convention space in that area. I'm just as excited as the next guy for Houston to get "more big stuff", but really what need to do is continue to improve the streetscapes and activity within our CBD. I can't wait until that Soccer stadium is built... then we will have all of our professional sports venues within 6 miles of each other!! Not too many metros around the US can even claim that!!

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I like this tower and all but I feel its in a terrible location. I wish something like this would go in near Minute Maid Park or something and extend the skyline that a ways. In this location, it will just be lost and plus it doesnt add much to the street since its right by a huge highway. Sure it will add to the skyline but our skyline from that vantage point is pretty sweet already. I just wish it were going in someplace, like maybe even along one of those terrible looking parking lots near MainPlace. Still, a new tall tower is better than no new tall tower.

Why would Allen Center put one of their buildings clear across town?

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Why would Allen Center put one of their buildings clear across town?

If the building is to retain the same name then to extend its borders.

If not then to create a new XYZ Center. Or Centre. Whichever you prefer.

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I really wish they'd bring this one back.

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Why?

Who would want to be inundated by yet another tall, sleak and beautiful skyscraper that would be iconic in almost any skyline?

;)

All jokes aside, I'm not sure that I'd want BoTSW Tower to be built in the same location. I'm not sure you could enjoy the full impact of it as you approach downtown in that location. Then again, maybe I'm wrong about that.

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Five Allen Center will overshadow 3 Allen Center

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1. Currently under construction,(?) Five Allen Center’s distinctive case, we’re driven by the same ideas: beauty, sustainability and strength. design will provide expansive city and bayou views.

http://www.slideshar...estate-brochure (pg. 9)

http://www.slideshar...re#text-version (text version)

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I don't much like the design. Maybe it's the angle, but it seems kind of..chunky.

It is very much the angle. Note that it is the (apparent) tallest building in the photograh, not to mention by far the widest. It is a very poor photoshop.

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I don't much like the design. Maybe it's the angle, but it seems kind of..chunky.

Dont worry. First of all, the building wont be that chunky looking at all because the plot of land they plan to build this on isnt even nearly that large. Second, although it will be tall, it wont be THAT tall and the plot of land is actually lower than most of the other blocks in downtown unless they plan on raising it. Third, the angle also is having a major impact because it is showing you both sides of the tower which makes the building seem quite large.

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I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything but, I guess nobody here understands the basic principle of PERSPECTIVE. Things that are closer appear larger. The block that 5 Allen is on is closer to the point from where that photograph (west of downtown) was taken. A 50-story building that is one block closer to the west will appear larger compared to the 50-story buildings behind it when viewed from the west.

Notice how much larger the 53-story Texaco Heritage building appears than the 50-story Shell building which is one block east (or "behind it). Now apply that to the 50-story 5 Allen building which is a block closer to the west than Texaco Heritage and 2 blocks closer to the west than the Shell building. I think it is very possible that the above photograph is accurate.

Now, if I ever see a rendering of 5 Allen from the north and for some reason it is significantly taller and wider than the Shell building - THEN I would agree that the the height and size of 5 Allen is exaggerated.

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Dont worry. First of all, the building wont be that chunky looking at all because the plot of land they plan to build this on isnt even nearly that large. Second, although it will be tall, it wont be THAT tall and the plot of land is actually lower than most of the other blocks in downtown unless they plan on raising it. Third, the angle also is having a major impact because it is showing you both sides of the tower which makes the building seem quite large.

the building is shaped like a parallelagram, so if viewed from let's say the south, it becomes much more narrow and sleek (so to speak)... it's a very nice looking building, imo. there's one rendering of this building viewed from the pierce elevated that makes it look almost triangular.

and i'd bet that this building will get going sooner rather than later.

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the building is shaped like a parallelagram, so if viewed from let's say the south, it becomes much more narrow and sleek (so to speak)... it's a very nice looking building, imo. there's one rendering of this building viewed from the pierce elevated that makes it look almost triangular.

That's interesting. Continental Center I (also a Brookfield property), when viewed from the on-ramp to the Pierce Elevated SB from Memorial, looks two-dimensional because of its angles. That's one of the cooler downtown building views, IMHO. It would be pretty neat if you could get odd views like that of two buildings from about the same location.

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Glad to hear it, SWTSIG. You've been pretty spot on in the past with regards to other projects. I am left wondering if Devon has signed on...

Unless they (Brookfield) have a big surprise for us, my best guess is that if 5 Houston Center is going forward soon, it will only be if Devon has signed on.

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Devon just recently went through a round of layoffs. I would be surprised to see them sign on something like this. Not any inside info, just a guess.

This is true. Not sure how much they would be willing to spend on additional office space that may just sit empty.

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According to Fortune magazine, as of mid-January 2009, Devon had never had a layoff - ever. Seems unlikely anything has changed that dramatically in the intervening 6 months.

Perhaps you've been watching a different economy than the rest of us. :) I've seen more people lose jobs in the last 6 months than at any time in the previous 20 years.

I have no info regarding Devon's plans, but I can certainly understand why they would be hesitant to make a substantial commitment during the most uncertain economy in recent memory.

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The article doesn't say where the layoffs will be. I would think that with the consolidation to Houston, mentioned in the article, they may require additional office space, not less.

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Interesting, but in addition to RSB's point about not knowing where the eliminated positions are/were, 75 in conjunction with a reorganization/combination of divisions is pretty insignificant, and tells us pretty much nothing about current/future office and growth needs.

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My father in law is a geologist for Devon. He told me about the layoffs, which is a big deal for a company that prides itself in never having to lay off anybody.

Yes. I have a friend who USED to work there until last month.

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Devon went very public with their Oklahoma City Hdqts project. Things appear to still be moving forward on that one (around a 900 footer and easily OKC's tallest). They were definitely still shopping for space last I heard but staying put is an option.

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Devon went very public with their Oklahoma City Hdqts project. Things appear to still be moving forward on that one (around a 900 footer and easily OKC's tallest). They were definitely still shopping for space last I heard but staying put is an option.

I would be quite surprised to see this going forward soon, even with a Devon expansion. Hess will be vacating a big chunk of space in Allen Center well before a new 50-story building would be ready. But I suppose stranger things have happened.

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Nothing really new here, but the rendering we had of this before cut off the left side, which looks like it could be the lobby.

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http://ws.elance.com/php/files/main/download.php?crypted=Y3R4JTNEcG9ydGZvbGlvJTI2ZmlkJTNEMjM4NDY2NjklMjZyaWQlM0QtMSUyNnBpZCUzRDI2NDc4ODE=

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That's a play on the original quote by Mark Twain who said "it's not the things we don't know that hurt us, but rather the things we know for sure that are true that just ain't so."

Did I miss something here? This seems very random.

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Did I miss something here? This seems very random.

Brookfield's comments on the Allen Center Parking Gararge

"Description

Located in the heart of the Allen Center/Cullen Center complex, the Allen Center Garage could accommodate an office building above it. The site fronts on historic Antioch Park and would have unobstructed views to the west."

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"We also snapped Cresa Houston’s Sue Rogers and Brookfield’s Paul Frazier. Paul says there will be an office building announced Downtown this year, but it will need to be 50% preleased. His firm has a 2.5-acre site where it’s planning on building a 900k SF to 1.1M SF building. It needs rents around $31/SF net, but existing buildings are leasing around that level; he expects the rate to trickle to preleasing soon because of the lack of big blocks available."

http://www.bisnow.com/real-estate-hou/2012/03/20/the-deal-sheet-427/

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