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I took visitors from Philadelphia to Downtown Houston on a Friday afternoon. They were amazed on how wide the sidewalks and streets. They also noted how clean Houston was. By the way, Discovery Green is a tourist asset. They loved the open space and lake.

Then our topic went to the homeless population. They commented that Philadelphia is a haven for homeless. I tried to refute their point but I couldn't find a homeless person to show them. We went to Discovery Green and Main Street/Texas Avenue and City Hall/Library/Theater District/Shell area. Where do the homeless congregate in Houston now or are they banned from Downtown? I know we have some tough panhandling and quality of life laws that restrict their movement. Do we just ship them to Austin or San Francisco? ^_^

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I took visitors from Philadelphia to Downtown Houston on a Friday afternoon. They were amazed on how wide the sidewalks and streets. They also noted how clean Houston was. By the way, Discovery Green is a tourist asset. They loved the open space and lake.

Then our topic went to the homeless population. They commented that Philadelphia is a haven for homeless. I tried to refute their point but I couldn't find a homeless person to show them. We went to Discovery Green and Main Street/Texas Avenue and City Hall/Library/Theater District/Shell area. Where do the homeless congregate in Houston now or are they banned from Downtown? I know we have some tough panhandling and quality of life laws that restrict their movement. Do we just ship them to Austin or San Francisco? ^_^

For the time being, they seem to hang out (at night) over by the old Sheraton or on Crawford by that church at Gray.

OR, you can go to the montrose and harrass the street kids there. I gunned my car after one of them took forever to cross the street away from a corner. He got the point.

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For the time being, they seem to hang out (at night) over by the old Sheraton or on Crawford by that church at Gray.

OR, you can go to the montrose and harrass the street kids there. I gunned my car after one of them took forever to cross the street away from a corner. He got the point.

I don't spend a lot of time downtown, but from what I've seen, I would agree that Houston seems to have a pretty small homeless population downtown, at least in comparison to other major cities. Is that true?

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I would guess homeless tend to congregate where the panhandling opportunities are good. In Houston, that's at major street intersections - especially along freeway frontage roads - and not so much downtown where workers often stay in the tunnels.

A quick trip to the 59 overpass around feeding time might change your guess a bit. And, your theory that everyone stays in the tunnels is off as well. Everyone has to get into and out of downtown at least twice a day. This involves getting onto the sidewalks to walk to their parking garage. For a full 40% of downtown workers (up to 80,000 people, depending on whose estimates you use), this involves standing at street corners waiting for mass transit. Contrast this with the fact that I have never seen more than a couple of panhandlers at intersections outside of downtown (Your neighborhood may be different).

This is not to suggest that Houston...downtown or otherwise...is overrun with homeless. Compared to other cities, it is not. But, to suggest that panhandlers sprawl like the populace does here is just ignoring the obvious. They congregate where the services and the pickings are best. And that isn't in the suburbs.

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I've seen panhandlers out at BW8 and I-45. Tehre was one guy who stood there with a gas can for several days. There's also been a few religious organizations using children to try to raise money. i haven't seen any of the true homeless out there though. there ar ea few that hang out along I-10 at TC Jester, Durham and Shepherd. Same ones most days.

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I've seen panhandlers out at BW8 and I-45. Tehre was one guy who stood there with a gas can for several days. There's also been a few religious organizations using children to try to raise money. i haven't seen any of the true homeless out there though. there ar ea few that hang out along I-10 at TC Jester, Durham and Shepherd. Same ones most days.

I've seen panhandlers down around 59 and Chimney Rock also, but I don't see them at night. By comparison, I was in downtown San Antonio a couple of weeks ago and there seemed like there were homeless sleeping all over the place.

I know that this is totally subjective, just curious if anyone had the same experiences.

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A large chunk of the homeless population resides in the midtown area, and generally on the Main St. corridor... many use the rail to get to the various social support services, esp. free breakfast at Palmer church across from Memorial Hermann.

Also, Cathedral clinic at 1212 Praire in DT on Sundays... huge numbers hang out there for free showers, laundry, food, HOMES clinic, and socializing.

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I don't spend a lot of time downtown, but from what I've seen, I would agree that Houston seems to have a pretty small homeless population downtown, at least in comparison to other major cities. Is that true?

That has been my observation. San Francisco is ahead of us, in this category.

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Find plenty directly behind Minute Maid Park, Greyhound Bus station On W. Grey, under 59 Pierce elevated near St Joseph area, around Elgin/McGowen/Webster streets especially as dusk approaches.

Most start the migration into DT & Midtown when workers are leaving in afternoon and when ball games start up. They know when to signal the others to move in to start the panhandling. There is a method and strategy to it. You will find plenty of personal experiences of encounters from others all over the city on similar topics here on Haif. Very truthful and honest, no sugar coating.

In the old days and homeless in movies they would say ...Hey buddy can you spare a dime? Now it's give me some money. If you refuse, get ready to be cursed out or worse. Most do not care if you are with a wife or children. Just try it and see. Please report back. :)

PS, Wide sidewalks? What? DT has some of the narrowest ones ever. These visitors must be from a small hicktown? Our city is lame about wider DT sidewalks. Galleria/Uptown did such a better job. Of course the city learned as it grew.

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Seems to me there is a number of homeless mostly along the club area - Main St/Travis/etc.

I'm in chicago now on a regular basis - and there is virtually no homeless to be found in any of the areas I travel (Loop/North/Beach area)

The few homeless I have found here try to be (and often are) helpful, finding tourists who look lost and helping them for $1, etc.

There are quite a few homeless in Chicago, and in the areas that you travel. Mostly along the tourist drags of Michigan Avenue and State Street. They're not truly "homeless" because they're just cup-shaking grifters. I'm trying to stop calling them "homeless" and to use the word "vagrant" more, since that's more accurately what they are. Here's one I took a picture of in front of my house (on private property!) a couple of weeks ago:

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I don't know why, but I find myself compelled to take their pictures lately. Not the truly homeless, but the scamming cup-shakers. I'm almost always twice their size so there's nothing they can do to me.

For truly homeless, check out Water Tower Park, and the little SOAR-operated park behind the fire station at West Chicago Avenue and North Mies Van Der Rhoe Way. These look like the "recently" homeless -- people who have just fallen on hard times and probably still have jobs they go to, but not enough money to afford a place to live.

There are two hard-core homeless women who hang out around Water Tower Park. One I call Margot, the other Trudy. Poor Trudy must be 75 or 80 years old. The shopgirls at the Bloomingdale's mall all pitched in one December's eve and bought her some new boots when she was walking around with rags tied to her feet in the snowfor a couple of weeks.

There's a homeless woman who hangs out at the Starbucks on Broadway and Sheridan EVERY day. One day I listened in when someone asked her for her story. She's an Indian (casinos, not tech support) and she used to live in a luxury high-rise. But her husband died unexpectedly and she was not able to take care of herself financially and ended up on the streets. She's probably in her late 60's now and all hunched over now and everyone is really nice to her since she's a regular and doesn't ever ask anyone for anything. I think Starbucks gives her one free coffee each morning, but that's just speculation or wishful thinking.

There is a large colony of the chronically homeless who live at the intersection of Lower Wacker and Lower Columbus. In the warmer months they spread out, but in the winter they huddle together in a great big pile there surrounded by garbage burning in barrels. I've seen that pile get up to 50, 60, 70 people thick at 2am on a January night. These people are hardcore and angry. Even the Night Mission has stopped going there to try to help them.

Sorry that reply was so very long, and not even about Houston. I spend a lot of time these days watching the world go by so I see a lot of the various types of homeless.

When I lived in Houston there were two types of homeless -- the panhandling grifters and scammers who worked the core of downtown, and the truly unfortunate who combed the dumpsters on the fringes for recyclable material. Every morning at 5am they'd push their shopping carts full of clanky metal down Sterrett Street, and since I often slept with the window open, that was my alarm clock.

I don't mind the homeless. I live in fear of being homeless one day. What bothers me is the scammers, drunks, junkies, and lazy people who give the broader homeless population a bad name.

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Very truthful and honest, no sugar coating.

In the old days and homeless in movies they would say ...Hey buddy can you spare a dime? Now it's give me some money. If you refuse, get ready to be cursed out or worse. Most do not care if you are with a wife or children. Just try it and see. Please report back. :)

OK, I am reporting back. In all of my years in downtown Houston, I've never had a homeless person, or even a vagrant demand money as opposed to ask for it. Since I only give them money some of the time, I have had plenty of opportunities since 1984 to be cursed out or worse. Never happened. Not once. In nearly 25 years of going to school, partying and working in downtown. Never. This includes the time that I officed near Minute Maid, and the time I officed on Main Street. It includes the times that I went to the courthouse complex (nearly daily for 12 years). This even includes the time that I owned a restaurant across the street from Christ Church Cathedral.

The homeless have never threatened me, nor scared me. I even had one guy who guarded my restaurant when we were closed. No breaks ins. No chairs or tables stolen. Nothing.

I'd love to tell y'all some really scary homeless stories, like when they cussed me or chased me down the street with a broken beer bottle, but sorry, never happened. I knew dozens of them by sight, and the ones that weren't crazy were downright friendly. Sorry, no scary stories. And, I am not the size of the editor. I am actually smaller than several of them.

My account is "Very truthful and honest, no sugar coating."

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OK, I am reporting back. In all of my years in downtown Houston, I've never had a homeless person, or even a vagrant demand money as opposed to ask for it.

Same here. I never give them money and I've never seen the behavior Vertigo describes.

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OK, I am reporting back. In all of my years in downtown Houston, I've never had a homeless person, or even a vagrant demand money as opposed to ask for it. Since I only give them money some of the time, I have had plenty of opportunities since 1984 to be cursed out or worse. Never happened. Not once. In nearly 25 years of going to school, partying and working in downtown. Never. This includes the time that I officed near Minute Maid, and the time I officed on Main Street. It includes the times that I went to the courthouse complex (nearly daily for 12 years). This even includes the time that I owned a restaurant across the street from Christ Church Cathedral.

The homeless have never threatened me, nor scared me. I even had one guy who guarded my restaurant when we were closed. No breaks ins. No chairs or tables stolen. Nothing.

I'd love to tell y'all some really scary homeless stories, like when they cussed me or chased me down the street with a broken beer bottle, but sorry, never happened. I knew dozens of them by sight, and the ones that weren't crazy were downright friendly. Sorry, no scary stories. And, I am not the size of the editor. I am actually smaller than several of them.

My account is "Very truthful and honest, no sugar coating."

Your experience is mine as well. I worked in the 806 Main Bldg back when downtown was a much worse place than it is now. I attended Christ Church growing up for 18 years and even volunteer there to this day when I am home visiting the family. I've partied at Power Tools and sipped beers at LaCarafe. I've hung out for weekends around Minute Maid and the B.U.S. I helped run a summer job program at UHD for Jeff Davis H.S. students. I've wandered around on weekends by myself taking pictures. I walk my mom's dog down on the Bayou Trails. The list could go on and on.

In all of those scenarios, I have never once been chased, spit on, cursed-out, or threatened. If you treat people with dignity and respect, most will return the favor.

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Here's one I took a picture of in front of my house

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I don't know why, but I find myself compelled to take their pictures lately. Not the truly homeless, but the scamming cup-shakers. I'm almost always twice their size so there's nothing they can do to me.

AWKWARD!!!

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As a lone female standing on on a downtown corner waiting for a bus, I would seem to be a good target for panhandlers. I do get approached (I would estimate 1 out of every 5 times), but a simple, "I'm sorry, sir, I don't have anything" works just fine to get them to go away. I think the added "sir" helps.

I'm always a bit surprised at the number of grifters we have hanging around the Heights. There's the guy with the dog on Taylor, the team that works the Heights/Katy freeway intersection, and various shopping cart pushers on Center street. There's now a guy that offers to valet your recycling from your car to the dumpster at the center behind Star pizza. (I think he "works" Saturdays, only, though ;) )

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As a lone female standing on on a downtown corner waiting for a bus, I would seem to be a good target for panhandlers. I do get approached (I would estimate 1 out of every 5 times), but a simple, "I'm sorry, sir, I don't have anything" works just fine to get them to go away. I think the added "sir" helps.

I'm always a bit surprised at the number of grifters we have hanging around the Heights. There's the guy with the dog on Taylor, the team that works the Heights/Katy freeway intersection, and various shopping cart pushers on Center street. There's now a guy that offers to valet your recycling from your car to the dumpster at the center behind Star pizza. (I think he "works" Saturdays, only, though ;) )

Just like I noted above: They know when to signal the others to move in to start the panhandling. There is a method and strategy to it. You will find plenty of personal experiences of encounters from others all over the city on similar topics here on Haif.

over on 45/Wayside/Telephone intersections they seem to come in waves. The woman and her side crack pal are one of the worse violators of cheating the public. She hides her walker in the bushes, takes it out and props at intersection and holds on. When (unfamiliar) cars stop, its lights, cameras, action! She does the pity me I am am destitute and broke need $. See the fools hand her cash then drive off. As dark falls she and her pals hit the nearby motels to party and the next morning its the same routine all over again.

Be sure to look at al of the many comments of familiar situations under Greyhound Bus Station (Midtown) topic for more true stories.

Many of these so called homeless are ex-cons and are very well versed on tricking and conning the outside world. Prison world is all about manipulation and extorting the people out here. Once out they think they are slick and pull the same stuff that got them in there to begin with. Maybe growing up in the city we just learned early how not to be taken advantage of. Just like when a Jehovah's witness approaches and your right, just say "No Thank" with a smile. Remember just do a search under homeless and see other comments.

PS, I too worked in DT for over 14 years and had my share, alone and with others. No eye contact helps quite a bit. Just dont act scared.

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Just like I noted above: They know when to signal the others to move in to start the panhandling. There is a method and strategy to it. You will find plenty of personal experiences of encounters from others all over the city on similar topics here on Haif.

over on 45/Wayside/Telephone intersections they seem to come in waves. The woman and her side crack pal are one of the worse violators of cheating the public. She hides her walker in the bushes, takes it out and props at intersection and holds on. When (unfamiliar) cars stop, its lights, cameras, action! She does the pity me I am am destitute and broke need $. See the fools hand her cash then drive off. As dark falls she and her pals hit the nearby motels to party and the next morning its the same routine all over again.

Be sure to look at al of the many comments of familiar situations under Greyhound Bus Station (Midtown) topic for more true stories.

Many of these so called homeless are ex-cons and are very well versed on tricking and conning the outside world. Prison world is all about manipulation and extorting the people out here. Once out they think they are slick and pull the same stuff that got them in there to begin with. Maybe growing up in the city we just learned early how not to be taken advantage of. Just like when a Jehovah's witness approaches and your right, just say "No Thank" with a smile. Remember just do a search under homeless and see other comments.

PS, I too worked in DT for over 14 years and had my share, alone and with others. No eye contact helps quite a bit. Just dont act scared.

Good heavens. :blink:

Why not just run off shrieking in terror?

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I work at 1000 main st and every single day i am asked approx. 4 times for cash on my walk to and from the bus stop to work. The same guy everyday "can you help me out??" on mckinney and travis. I look them in the eyes and say i don't carry cash. 99% of the time they look away and say god bless you as they walk off to the next person.

I have been verbally accosted 3 or 4 times in the 2 years i've been working downtown. There are always homeless people infront of my building next to the fountains on main.

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There's more information in that one post than in most web sites. Good job!
Thank you, Sir!

Just wanted to add that I no longer refer to the founders of Houston as "The Allen Brothers". Truth is, Charlotte Baldwin Allen played a large part in the founding and formation of the new city, but rarely receives due credit for her role.

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Thank you, Sir!

Just wanted to add that I no longer refer to the founders of Houston as "The Allen Brothers". Truth is, Charlotte Baldwin Allen played a large part in the founding and formation of the new city, but rarely receives due credit for her role.

"Allen Family?" :)

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Then our topic went to the homeless population. They commented that Philadelphia is a haven for homeless. I tried to refute their point but I couldn't find a homeless person to show them. We went to Discovery Green and Main Street/Texas Avenue and City Hall/Library/Theater District/Shell area. Where do the homeless congregate in Houston now or are they banned from Downtown? I know we have some tough panhandling and quality of life laws that restrict their movement. Do we just ship them to Austin or San Francisco? ^_^

Just drive down Westheimer all the way to Highway 6. Keep in the left hand lane and keep your window down. You'll have to beat them off with a stick. Stop at any large shopping center along the way and sooner or later you'll be approached. I think I've seen way more in the near suburbs than I have in downtown.

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Just drive down Westheimer all the way to Highway 6. Keep in the left hand lane and keep your window down. You'll have to beat them off with a stick. Stop at any large shopping center along the way and sooner or later you'll be approached. I think I've seen way more in the near suburbs than I have in downtown.

I know what you mean, but I've always had the feeling that those are "professional" vagrants instead of true homeless. Kind of a weird distinction I know, but I think that a lot of them are sleeping under a roof somewhere.

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In the old days and homeless in movies they would say ...Hey buddy can you spare a dime? Now it's give me some money. If you refuse, get ready to be cursed out or worse. Most do not care if you are with a wife or children. Just try it and see. Please report back. :)

That's odd, my experiences are pretty much the same as RedScare's (at least concerning Downtown). For the most part when I don't give any money they will just say "God bless" or "Have a nice day", and that's that. Can't say it's the same for along 59 however. Several times I have had my windshield struck when I say I don't want them to wash it. Even so these experiences are few and far between.

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I know what you mean, but I've always had the feeling that those are "professional" vagrants instead of true homeless. Kind of a weird distinction I know, but I think that a lot of them are sleeping under a roof somewhere.

Not a weird distinction at all, just one that a lot of people here refuse to keep in mind. The set of homeless people and panhandlers intersect, but they aren't the same set.

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On that, I would think that the same ones I've seen at the same corner for YEARS now have to be of the professional vagrant variety. First, they appear clean shaven. I'm not saying that someone without a home couldn't find a razor now and again, but always a clean shave? Come on. I am not giving that dude any money.

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On that, I would think that the same ones I've seen at the same corner for YEARS now have to be of the professional vagrant variety. First, they appear clean shaven. I'm not saying that someone without a home couldn't find a razor now and again, but always a clean shave? Come on. I am not giving that dude any money.

I like the ones with better shoes than I have who are jamming out to music on a Discman while begging for money.

Umm.... Yeah.. No. I don't think so.

Can't wait till I start seeing them with iPods.

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Reminds me of the time not long after Houston went bust. Many people who bought overvalued homes at outrageous interest rates suffered, and some became homeless as a result. A number of homeless lived under and around the San Jacinto River Bridge out 59.

I saw more that one interview from that location, and was amazed at how many people complained on air about how they had nothing and needed help

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Just drive down Westheimer all the way to Highway 6. Keep in the left hand lane and keep your window down. You'll have to beat them off with a stick. Stop at any large shopping center along the way and sooner or later you'll be approached. I think I've seen way more in the near suburbs than I have in downtown.

Westchase has them coming and going. Set up cardboard shacks in alleys and in open shopping strips Westheimer/Wilcrest. Makes us wonder how they got this far out? or what is the allure? There was an effort to push them out of DT by HPD and it worked at least in the interum. So now they are here and are not friendly. Local security and HPD tell em to move on so back and forth they go.

There was that one 40 something woman that always hung around Main street near Macy's and always would say "Give me money" she had on coordinating clothes, lip stick and nail polish. At least she dressed for the DT crowd. She never seemed to realize she was asking the same person for cash everyday, morning & lunch time. Wouldn't you at least have more sense not hit up the same person for $. The charade is over baby.

I cracked up when this guy on the bus told me he finally got tired of her same routine, told her to get lost, and she attacked him, gave him a black eye. :P Others had to pull her off until a cop intervened. Yep, harmless shuhhh. That is one thing I do not miss about working DT.

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Mayor White publicly recommended several years ago NOT to give them ANY money. Also, I'm told that they can only ask once and be cited for persisting. Apparently, they do know this.

They're in the Market Square area as well, but it's the same ones that must just live here during the day. I'm rarely approached. If I am, I just nod my head and keep walking. It is much better, in my perspective, that it was in the late 80's.

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i've been verbally accosted at the greyhound station at least twice, once for not giving money to a guy that offered to "watch my car" and when i said no thanks he cursed at me and told me he was going to break into my car. another time one asked for money, i told him i didn't have any cash, he then followed my for a block cursing. another time in front of Mai's when i was walking home with takeout i was asked for money and said i didn't have any and he got on my case about how i got my food. i asked him if he took credit cards and he wasn't too happy.

though never have i felt physically threatened, i have been verbally threatened many times in the last few years. never had any problems downtown, just midtown.

also after katrina i got the "i need $5 for gas" story a bunch of times at random stations around houston. most of the time there was no car in site, and a few times they got on my case when i refused.

i have a fear that some day these 'professional vagrants' will start accepting credit cards. but they probably won't take discover.

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i've been verbally accosted at the greyhound station at least twice, once for not giving money to a guy that offered to "watch my car" and when i said no thanks he cursed at me and told me he was going to break into my car. another time one asked for money, i told him i didn't have any cash, he then followed my for a block cursing. another time in front of Mai's when i was walking home with takeout i was asked for money and said i didn't have any and he got on my case about how i got my food. i asked him if he took credit cards and he wasn't too happy.

though never have i felt physically threatened, i have been verbally threatened many times in the last few years. never had any problems downtown, just midtown.

also after katrina i got the "i need $5 for gas" story a bunch of times at random stations around houston. most of the time there was no car in site, and a few times they got on my case when i refused.

i have a fear that some day these 'professional vagrants' will start accepting credit cards. but they probably won't take discover.

Greyhound area is a whole other matter. I wish they'd move that thing! Next time, take a picture with your phone and provide it to the police with a complaint. That should make them STFU.

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also after katrina i got the "i need $5 for gas" story a bunch of times at random stations around houston. most of the time there was no car in site, and a few times they got on my case when i refused.

When I first moved to Houston (2001), I got hit up for gas in the parking lot of the Randall's on Westheimer @ Shepherd by a dude. Fun part it he was driving around the parking lot finding people to beg from. Needed to get to Dallas or something. Then I saw him doing the same thing a month later and called him on it, and he sped off, wasting more precious gas.

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There was that one 40 something woman that always hung around Main street near Macy's and always would say "Give me money" she had on coordinating clothes, lip stick and nail polish. At least she dressed for the DT crowd. She never seemed to realize she was asking the same person for cash everyday, morning & lunch time. Wouldn't you at least have more sense not hit up the same person for $. The charade is over baby.

I cracked up when this guy on the bus told me he finally got tired of her same routine, told her to get lost, and she attacked him, gave him a black eye. :P Others had to pull her off until a cop intervened. Yep, harmless shuhhh. That is one thing I do not miss about working DT.

Is this a black woman about 5 foot or so?

she hit me up for a dollar on metro. I figured she got her money stolen or something because she was well dressed and seemed to be well groomed. Forgot all about it. An hour later, I saw her asking people as I was walking up and she asked ME for money again. I finally asked her to forget it. She already had my dollar and she started cursing me out (after initially praising god or whatever her schtick was initially). I threw a few choice words and threatened to dunk her in the fountain on mainstreet if she didn't leave me alone.

Looking back,I should have.

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I have found the vast majority of the homless bother noone but the bad ones are so in your face they ruin it for the good ones. If the bad ones would be honest and say they want money for booze, drugs or smokes I would like it better. I know homeless poeple who go abouth their day eating free meals. taking free showers and sleeping in shelters or on the street. The ones I just mentioned have never asked me for money and I never seen them asking for money.

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Is this a black woman about 5 foot or so?

she hit me up for a dollar on metro. I figured she got her money stolen or something because she was well dressed and seemed to be well groomed. Forgot all about it. An hour later, I saw her asking people as I was walking up and she asked ME for money again. I finally asked her to forget it. She already had my dollar and she started cursing me out (after initially praising god or whatever her schtick was initially). I threw a few choice words and threatened to dunk her in the fountain on mainstreet if she didn't leave me alone.

Looking back,I should have.

No, this one looked just like Laverne DeFazio of Laverne & Shirley fame. Maybe she got fired from her job at the beer bottling plant? Had a Brooklyn dialect too! I should have done like Squiggy, and popped her one! :blush: Hey Shuyall!

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I have been working downtown for twenty years and have never felt threatened (get asked for money 2-3 times a week but "No" does the trick).

I actually miss some of the more entertaining Whack jobs. The vocal Wacos that used to be on the corners yelling at a trashcan, or the preachers that would yell obsenities at the congregation while quoting the bible.

Remember the bus that had loudspeakers dissing Second Babtist?

My commute requires me exit I-10 and turn south onto Echo/Blalock into the Memorial Villages. The north side of this intersection must be the motherload for panhandlers. There is a group that seem to rotate (guess they reserve spots). The wife was washing her car at the Chevron on the south side and saw one of the more frequent "Cripples" hobble across the parking lot in her wheelchair. After making sure no one was looking, she got out of her wheelchair and carried it the final 100 ft to her car hidden behind the carwash.

She probably lives in the Villages.

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I have found the vast majority of the homless bother noone but the bad ones are so in your face they ruin it for the good ones. If the bad ones would be honest and say they want money for booze, drugs or smokes I would like it better. I know homeless poeple who go abouth their day eating free meals. taking free showers and sleeping in shelters or on the street. The ones I just mentioned have never asked me for money and I never seen them asking for money.

Oh, I agree! My heart truly goes out to some of them, but I've seen SOME of them enough that I know they're nothing but con artists. It is truly rare for me to hand out money.

No, this one looked just like Laverne DeFazio of Laverne & Shirley fame. Maybe she got fired from her job at the beer bottling plant? Had a Brooklyn dialect too! I should have done like Squiggy, and popped her one! :blush: Hey Shuyall!

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Don't recall seeing her....unless she's an older greying lady that is pushing around a car with a cat at the helm.

The only person I give money on the street to is the Mexican Paleta peddler when I'm walking to and from the Hilton. Yum!

His Popsicles only cost $1, I'd give him more because he works hard. But After I saw a parade of Construction workers and Discover Green people flock to him. I figured he doesn't need my charity.

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Homeless or vagrants usually are in downtown during the day. For one, that is when the population of downtown is at its height and two they are not allowed to sleep or sit anywhere due to a city ordinance in the evening. I live and work downtown and am rather fed up with the lot of them. It is always the same ones as well. One time I almost had my orange taken out of my hand at 8AM at Main and McKinney, I had to kick him in the leg to get him away from me. Kind of ballsy to try to attack a 6'3, 200 pound man.

I have never given any money on the street, I have on occasion bought food for someone asking when I was going in the same restaurant (Subway on Dallas). I choose to give to United Way as my charity, giving money to these people is not helping them as the majority of them are using it for things other than food.

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If he wanted your food I would have given it to him thats an exception to the rule for me. However, giving $ only add to their misery. Its straight to the liquor store or crack dealer when anyone gives hard cash.

I have on several ocassions just packed bags of used clean clothes/blankets and dropped off under or near the Star of Hope and they just walkover and get it and say thanks. At least I know they might wear or sell it or cover themselves in winter.

As long as these missions and Greyhound Bus station are near downtown they aint a going nowhere else. Even when we used to go to the old Sacred Heart church across from Pierce these homeless woudl sleep on the doorway and the father would have to yell at them to move away. All they do is go across the street and start the aggresive panhandling. It can be an ordeal for children to experience. To them it is a very frightening experience. You need to see the behind Minutemaid Park before & after a ballgame, these guys & women will not take no for an answer when you are walking to the park & leaving. Ok for single dudes to shrug off, but not for families.

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Yesterday, while on a smoke break and was on the sidewalk a very nice man approached me. He said very nicely "Sir, will you be offended if I as you something?" I said No. He told me that he'd just asked a man down the street and his answer was "No, you homeless bastard!" I felt sorry for him, as he was older and sweating really bad. At any rate, I don't take any money down with me unless it's lunch time.

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